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OttoinGrotto
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Whoa, weird deal.
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Vucevic could have really helped a contender
OttoinGrotto
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For sure.
Orlando's such a weird team. Like, it seems like they should be pretty competitive, especially in the East. But they have a ton of dudes with redundant skills, and for whatever reason, the team always feels like less than the sum of the parts.
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So, with Porter in the deal, maybe they were thinking they wouldn't have much shot to lure a marquee free agent, so they're getting off of Porter's money now to make what basically amounts to a big FA acquisition in Vuc, that also meant losing some draft picks?
Vuc just makes the Bulls a frisky first round team.
They aren’t getting to the ECF.
I don’t get this trade for what they gave up.
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I wonder if the Magic will buy out Porter.
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They must be ok with that.
Or feel like maybe it does make them a lot better.
Who knows, I like when stuff moves around.
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I think this is a rare good trade for both sides. Chicago has needed to make a move like this for a long time now. They're almost certainly hoping that LaVine's ascendance and Vucevic being an all-star caliber player will make them a more serious landing spot for free agents than the laughingstock they've been viewed as in year's past.
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Seems like a good bet to me and if so, Milwaukee better strongly pursue him (though he'll have no shortage of suitors I'm sure).
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Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure you really need a player like Fournier but he's pretty good and you're giving up essentially nothing for him.
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Not a terrible way to use a trade exception.
Yeah I believe it’s only the prorated portion of his salary they are using for the deal. So it won’t be all of the exception.
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It will be sad to see Kyle Lowry and Norm Powell almost certainly go today but it has to be done at this point. This team is not a contender, Lowry is a FA, and I think Toronto wants to use their money next year on a big and not Powell.
Tough year for Toronto... knew they would have some fall back from losing Ibaka/Gasol. Baynes was a total dud, especially earlier in the year, and combine that with the Tampa Bay adjustment that nobody else had to deal with the Raps started a brutal 2-8, with a number of close losses after blown double digit leads. They got it back to .500 at 17-17 (beating Brooklyn, Philly, Milwaukee) in games close to the 30 game mark. They also had metrics that made them look better than a .500 team. So while not a top contender by any means, they appeared like a team that could make it to second round (as a 3-5 seed in the weak east) and at least give a good scare to any of the elite teams in losing. At that point they were probably still evaluating whether they should be sellers or try to fix the problem at the 5 (Baynes)
Then Covid hit. Most teams have had a covid impact at some point. A few teams got hit really hard. Toronto was one of the they got hit really hard by Covid with 3/5 of their starters out for a full two weeks (Siakam, FVV, Anunoby) plus one other rotation player. FVV was actually quite sick as well, so their legs were not back into it as a team. Add in the Tampa Bay factor which can't help the team attitude the next thing you know the team is a nine game losing streak and fighting for the qualifying playoff round.
Its time to move forward. Stiffs in the Middle, the "Tampa" factor, Covid losing streak. Probably best to get young assets, miss the playoffs and hope you get lucky in the lotto, and reset while back in Toronto next year.
Tough year for Toronto... knew they would have some fall back from losing Ibaka/Gasol. Baynes was a total dud, especially earlier in the year, and combine that with the Tampa Bay adjustment that nobody else had to deal with the Raps started a brutal 2-8, with a number of close losses after blown double digit leads. They got it back to .500 at 17-17 (beating Brooklyn, Philly, Milwaukee) in games close to the 30 game mark. They also had metrics that made them look better than a .500 team. So while not a top contender by any means, they appeared like a team that could make it to second round (as a 3-5 seed in the weak east) and at least give a good scare to any of the elite teams in losing. At that point they were probably still evaluating whether they should be sellers or try to fix the problem at the 5 (Baynes)
Then Covid hit. Most teams have had a covid impact at some point. A few teams got hit really hard. Toronto was one of the they got hit really hard by Covid with 3/5 of their starters out for a full two weeks (Siakam, FVV, Anunoby) plus one other rotation player. FVV was actually quite sick as well, so their legs were not back into it as a team. Add in the Tampa Bay factor which can't help the team attitude the next thing you know the team is a nine game losing streak and fighting for the qualifying playoff round.
Its time to move forward. Stiffs in the Middle, the "Tampa" factor, Covid losing streak. Probably best to get young assets, miss the playoffs and hope you get lucky in the lotto, and reset while back in Toronto next year.
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I'm nervous to see where Lowry and Powell end up.
Watch the Lakers get them for KCP pupu platter.
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Seems like Lowry will end up most likely in Philly or Miami. The two LA teams are also interested. I think Lowry would like to have went to the Clippers and they probably would comply with his extension request, but the Raptors probably have little interest in what the Clips can offer.
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I would have to think if the Lakers end up with Lowry, his market was a lot weaker than people currently expect. Philly should be able to beat any Lakers offer if they're truly interested in Lowry. Likewise with Miami.
