New PS interview with Danielle Roach

[JOC44]

they were interviewed individually first

I understand that, and it doesn't change my point. It's still Mickey Mouse to interview two of the three witnesses together, even if you have interviewed them individually before. If you still have a need for information from them, such that you are interviewing them a second time, you shouldn't be doing it together.

I've done a number of internal investigations for clients, and you simply don't interview the witnesses together. When you do that, you (1) only learn what each is willing to say in front of the other, and (2) give them the opportunity to "get their story straight."

If your view is that if you interview witnesses separately once, then you're good to interview them together the rest of the way, well we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[HoustonCuse]

...seems like University did the right thing...destroyed the investigative material three years after it was completed...or they should have since they are the only ones with any knowledge

What? Where did anyone say the investigation mat'ls were destroyed??

 

[JOC44]

What? Where did anyone say the investigation mat'ls were destroyed??

That's not the kid of thing the university would want to be destroying, probably ever. I doubt they are that shortsighted.

 

[pfister1]

THIS IS THE BIG STATEMENT TO ME. This will tell me if her story has any legs or not. She said she contacted someone in there office. But nobody returned a phone call. She says she called an left a message. They have no record of the call. Fitz said it is impossible that someone would get a message about child abuse and not return a phone call.​

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Fitzpatrick said today he had not seen Roach's statement and had not heard her claim that Trunfio didn't return her calls in 2002. "We have no record of that," Fitzpatrick said. "There’s no way to recreate it. I'd have to see the statement to comment. I have no idea if a Danielle Roach called Rick Trunfio or not."​

After learning of Roach's claim today, Trunfio planned to start searching his phone logs from 2002, Fitzpatrick said.​

"That's not possible," Fitzpatrick said of her claim that Trunfio didn't return phone calls alleging child sexual abuse. "If she had left a message alleging sexual misconduct on the part of any individual, whether it was Joe Blow or Bernie Fine or anybody in the world, there’s not a chance in the world that Rick Trunfio wouldn’t have returned that phone call. He’s famous for returning phone calls."​

Maybe Fitz ought to think about issuing a subpoena to Trunfio for those phone logs. Grand Jury might like to see those while its looking at the Police Department's file. If Bernie and the SU basketball program weren't hanging in the wind as a backdrop this would almost be funny.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/syracuse_authorities_dropped_b.html

One thing that keep standing out; it has become accepted that Davis contacted the SPD and was told "sorry, SOL, etc etc"

I have never seen it confirmed anywhere that this actually happened. It has been solely Davis' statement and seems to have become accepted as fact.

Not saying it is, not saying it isn't. Unless I missed something though, I have never seen corroboration of the conversation. No SPD reports, no phone log, nothing. Yet it has become part of the circumstances surrounding this that is accepted as fact simply because Davis said so.

 

[liljoe]

I've done a number of internal investigations for clients, and you simply don't interview the witnesses together. When you do that, you (1) only learn what each is willing to say in front of the other, and (2) give them the opportunity to "get their story straight."

That is precisely why they are being interviewed together. See how much their stories change when they are together from when they were interviewed individually.

 

[nolacuse44]

If she called SVU at the Onondaga DA's office, it would have been followed up, by Rick or anyone. They are zealots and true believers, which is needed in that department.

I know Rick Trunfio professionally. Not well, but I'm familiar with his work and he has served as a witness for a client a couple of times (I don't practice criminal law).

He was a principal architect in setting up the Onondaga Cty DA's office abused persons unit, which is very well regarded and was ahead of the curve in its approach to investigating and prosecuting sexual abuse cases. I'm pretty sure that in 2002 (time of the alleged ignored calls) Rick was in charge of that unit.

A single unreturned call is not perhaps difficult to believe. Multiple unreturned messages claiming knowledge of a person who suffered child sexual abuse? I can't personally vouch for Rick's reputation as a dogged returner of telephone calls, but, to me, that allegation is very difficult to believe.

 

[arbitragegls]

What? Where did anyone say the investigation mat'ls were destroyed??

tongue in cheek

 

[JOC44]

That is precisely why they are being interviewed together. See how much their stories change when they are together from when they were interviewed individually.

Actually, I bet what happened is they wanted to talk and the police said sure, we'll listen to whatever you have to say. Roach said she was really impressed that the cops let Davis say whatever he wanted to get off his chest. I think she is being naive and they don't really need to hear from them again but don't ever want to be accused of brushing them off.

 

[shandeezy7]

Is it just me, or does it seem like all this new information that has been coming out over the last few days add literally nothing to this case? At least nothing substantive. It's all just wildly vague stuff that really proves nothing one way or another. My thought with the whole SPD thing in 2002 is that Davis very well could have called them in 2002 and told them what allegedly happened. The detective he talked to said "thanks but there's nothing we can do. Call us if you know of anything that has recently been going on." The phone was hung up and the call was never recorded in official records. SPD is now trying to figure out what to do now, since they have no record of this case at all.

 

[KaiserUEO]

i think i see a stupid chick from cny, who reacquaints herself with a former boyfriend, who is now obviously a crack addict drunk...and believes his story that bernie fine molested him for the reason being why he likes crack and lets him back into her pants. then she tells him if he doesnt call the po-po...she will.

but of course, when i drive in utah, i often pull over to the side of the road, call police back in New York and decide to make incriminating accusations against someone who demanded the 5k he loaned me back.

 

[SUintheVille]

Wow, this is getting deep. My head is spinning.

 

[kingottoiii]

Wait I thought it was reported that he gave the SPD 4 names and nothing came back? Was that not true?

In addition Davis' actions IMO make it look like a lie. It looks to me like he told Roach a lie, she believed him and called the cops. He then was forced to talk to the cops. Since he was lying he didn't want to provide Fine's name. But at the same time he wanted revenge on Fine for abandoning him. I bet he talked to the cops and said that he was interested in pressing charges. The cop asked when did this happen? Davis told him, and the cop said no charges can be filed because of SOL. Davis then said never mind and hung up.

I find it amazing the air and print time spent on Roach who really has nothing to do with this. In addition who the hell still talks to their ex GF 12 years after they dated? And they lived on opposite sides of the country. Remember this is the early 2000s when text messaging and Facebook where not around. Heck even email wasn't used much.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Wait I thought it was reported that he gave the SPD 4 names and nothing came back? Was that not true?

He gave 4 names to the SU investigation.

 

[jordoo]

Remember this is the early 2000s when text messaging and Facebook where not around. Heck even email wasn't used much.

This is an interesting point that I have not seen brought up. Communication and keeping in touch with people has changed drastically over the last handful of years. I remember thinking "why in the hell would I ever text someone from my cell phone when I could simply call them?" Now I text all the time and find it amazingly useful and expeditious. I do 45% of my work communications through email especially ordering materials because you have a record of it.

 

[armory]

2002 - When that detective told Davis there was nothing that could be done because the case was too old, Davis’s ex-girlfriend, Danielle Roach, left messages with the Onondaga County District Attorney’s Office about an SU coach molesting her friend, she said in a sworn statement taken by Syracuse police Monday morning. A prosecutor did not return her repeated phone messages, she said.

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2011 - District Attorney William Fitzpatrick criticized Syracuse police last week for never informing his office about the allegations in 2002. He said last week that he did not recall ever hearing about Davis’s allegations until they were aired on ESPN last week.

 

[jordoo]

Whoa whoa whoa!

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2002 - When that detective told Davis there was nothing that could be done because the case was too old, Davis’s ex-girlfriend, Danielle Roach, left messages with the Onondaga County District Attorney’s Office about an SU coach molesting her friend, she said in a sworn statement taken by Syracuse police Monday morning. A prosecutor did not return her repeated phone messages, she said.

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2011 - District Attorney William Fitzpatrick criticized Syracuse police last week for never informing his office about the allegations in 2002. He said last week that he did not recall ever hearing about Davis’s allegations until they were aired on ESPN last week.

No wonder they are in a big pi$$ing match right now.

 

[kingottoiii]

Doesn't this in the same article contradict the whole article? I mean what else should the SPD done?

Davis, in his 2002 interview with The Post-Standard, said Fox asked him if he knew of any minors who had been abused by the same man. Davis said he told Fox he didn’t know for sure if the abuser had molested anyone else. But Davis said he provided the detective with the names of some youths who were friends of Fine’s sons and who hung around Fine’s house.

 

[jordoo]

Doesn't this in the same article contradict the whole article? I mean what else should the SPD done?

Davis, in his 2002 interview with The Post-Standard, said Fox asked him if he knew of any minors who had been abused by the same man. Davis said he told Fox he didn’t know for sure if the abuser had molested anyone else. But Davis said he provided the detective with the names of some youths who were friends of Fine’s sons and who hung around Fine’s house.

Hmmm . .. . . . . too much to try and figure out anymore. I just want it to be over and the truth to come out.

 

[armory]

There are SOOO many people being named here that have to corroborate this garble. None of that was done before the article was run. They could ALL deny it ever happened, and then what?

 

[rrlbees]

2002 - When that detective told Davis there was nothing that could be done because the case was too old, Davis’s ex-girlfriend, Danielle Roach, left messages with the Onondaga County District Attorney’s Office about an SU coach molesting her friend, she said in a sworn statement taken by Syracuse police Monday morning. A prosecutor did not return her repeated phone messages, she said.

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2011 - District Attorney William Fitzpatrick criticized Syracuse police last week for never informing his office about the allegations in 2002. He said last week that he did not recall ever hearing about Davis’s allegations until they were aired on ESPN last week.

you know, whether it was spd investigating or espn or ps or su or bsk, i don't know how the da wouldn't know. he knows everything involving su athletics and always has. someone would have told him from 1 if not all of those organizations. hell, if devo pissed on someones car he knew about it.

 

[Jeepers]

In addition Davis' actions IMO make it look like a lie. It looks to me like he told Roach a lie, she believed him and called the cops. He then was forced to talk to the cops. Since he was lying he didn't want to provide Fine's name. But at the same time he wanted revenge on Fine for abandoning him. I bet he talked to the cops and said that he was interested in pressing charges. The cop asked when did this happen? Davis told him, and the cop said no charges can be filed because of SOL. Davis then said never mind and hung up.

I find it amazing the air and print time spent on Roach who really has nothing to do with this. In addition who the hell still talks to their ex GF 12 years after they dated? And they lived on opposite sides of the country. Remember this is the early 2000s when text messaging and Facebook where not around. Heck even email wasn't used much.

My theory is that the "ex girlfriend" is actually his (sorry for the non-PC, but it's the best term to use) fag hag.

I'm starting to feel like Lang is 100% lies. And that originally threw me off. But now I think Bobby's lies go deep. I think he well could have been molested by someone, but in addition he has had a lifetime struggle with his own sexuality. I think he wants revenge on BF for abandoning him, and he used the molestation aspect as a transference of his confusion with his sexual identity.

 

[rrlbees]

My theory is that the "ex girlfriend" is actually his (sorry for the non-PC, but it's the best term to use) fag hag.

I'm starting to feel like Lang is 100% lies. And that originally threw me off. But now I think Bobby's lies go deep. I think he well could have been molested by someone, but in addition he has had a lifetime struggle with his own sexuality. I think he wants revenge on BF for abandoning him, and he used the molestation aspect as a transference of his confusion with his sexual identity.

Don't know if it changes your opinion but I believe he is married and has kids.

 

[Jeepers]

Don't know if it changes your opinion but I believe he is married and has kids.

Doesn't. Heh. Part of the theory.

 

[kingottoiii]

Don't know if it changes your opinion but I believe he is married and has kids.

Do we know when he was married? If he was married by 2002 then it makes it even weirder that he was still in contact with an ex GF from HS at the age of 30.

That being said the are plenty of examples of gay men getting married and having kids before coming out around 40.