Class of 2015 Not to be a grinch but are we killing it or are we

[dasher]

getting guys no one else really wanted? I say that because if you look at the offers our guys have got, it really isn't all that impressive. Now, I would say that getting guys early means you are getting guys you really want. But are we that much smarter than everyone else?

 

[DocFlanders]

So nobody else wanted any of the guys we got? Interesting.

 

[VaSaltine]

Go look at the offers of the Rutgers commits and have a good laugh. There you will find what unimpressive really means.

 

[Trueblue25]

Its still very early. We're getting some quality players that our coaches have been keen to for a while. All the Florida recruits are always top notch, we tallied on some Grade A beef with Clausman and Fredricks, Strickland and Perkins are nothing to sneeze at either.

If anything this off season has proved to me that the staff has done its homework for our back yard and other states we've been prevalent in, Illinois and Florida.

 

[Libero2]

Here's the obvious link to toss into this thread. Use this to determine who has offered the prospects we brought in.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/recruits-and-offers.74860/

Now nobody on this list has your Bama's and LSU's and Texas A&Ms of the world (unless you look at Davante Davis at the bottom who decommitted) but most of our guys already have multiple D1 offers despite the fact it's almost 9 months to signing day, and these kids haven't even begun the summer camp season.

Also you never know which kids would get more offers if they hadn't committed at an early date and essentially shut down their recruitment. I wouldn't worry too much about it. we have plenty of kids with serious potential, and we are getting the kids our staff wants. No matter what level of trust you have in the staff (and I imagine a lot of people trust them quite a bit right now) them getting the guys they identified early as top recruits is always better then them not getting the kids they really wanted.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Who's our most lightly recruited commit?

 

[CaliCuse]

getting guys no one else really wanted? I say that because if you look at the offers our guys have got, it really isn't all that impressive. Now, I would say that getting guys early means you are getting guys you really want. But are we that much smarter than everyone else?

I think there are a lot of teams that we are hurting here. These players aren't FSU level but they aren't bargain basement level either.We ain't shopping at Nordstroms just yet but Maceys isn't Wallmart or Target.

 

[Jeepers]

I'm totally okay with taking some NJ kids that aren't getting a lot of attention. Anything to help build relationships over there.

 

[Trueblue25]

We're privileged with a very aggressive, very good recruiting staff. We're an attractive program that just finished its first year in the ACC with a winning season, and a bowl win over a B1G opponent.

These are not "lightly recruited" recruits. These are quality recruits that bigger schools would eventually pickup after summer camps have started, but we've chosen to be aggressive. Our recruiting has gone on the offensive and it will pay dividends.

 

[DocFlanders]

I'm totally okay with taking some NJ kids that aren't getting a lot of attention. Anything to help build relationships over there.

Well, our only NJ commit so far has offers from West Virginia, Virginia, Wake Forest, Indiana, Rutgers and Ga. Tech so far. I would argue he has gotten plenty of attention. Great RB pickup for 'Cuse, and a huge win in that it helps break that NJ barrier we have been facing.

 

[Whitey23]

Can't tell if trolling...?

 

[SyracuseMiami]

I'm no recruiting expert but to say these kids don't have other quality offers just tells me you're not looking very close. We have committed or near committed kids with multiple BCS offers. I say kill this thread. It just undermines the reality of the clear progress we've made in recruiting

 

[dasher]

Can't tell if trolling...?

I asked a question. I guess that isn't okay here. The rb from NJ is highly recruited. Who else?

 

[dasher]

So nobody else wanted any of the guys we got? Interesting.

Did I say that? We don't have guys that have a lot of high quality offers. Maybe they are all great. I have no idea. But I would like to see offers form power 5 confernce schools.

 

[Whitey23]

I asked a question. I guess that isn't okay here. The rb from NJ is highly recruited. Who else?

Nope. We banned questions. Had a whole thread about it.

 

[TheCusian]

Did I say that? We don't have guys that have a lot of high quality offers. Maybe they are all great. I have no idea. But I would like to see offers form power 5 confernce schools.

Trust. The. Coaches.

 

[Jeepers]

Well, our only NJ commit so far has offers from West Virginia, Virginia, Wake Forest, Indiana, Rutgers and Ga. Tech so far. I would argue he has gotten plenty of attention. Great RB pickup for 'Cuse, and a huge win in that it helps break that NJ barrier we have been facing.

Was just generalizing. Didn't mean the guys we have currently.

 

[cuseinchina]

Trust. The. Coaches.

Posts like this seem counterproductive to me. I mean to certain extent I agree but at the same time if you can't second guess the coaches or ask questions what you are cutting off discourse and presuming that the staff is infallible, both of which seem like bad things for a message board.

 

[TheCusian]

Posts like this seem counterproductive to me. I mean to certain extent I agree but at the same time if you can't second guess the coaches or ask questions what you are cutting off discourse and presuming that the staff is infallible, both of which seem like bad things for a message board.

Bad for discussion, sure. It's the right attitude when it comes to this particular topic and this particular staff.

Here's what we know:

- They've gotten on a lot of players early and then they are closing. Different from the Marrone and Grob eras.

- Last year we rc'd some early commitments from kids who did not have a lot of early offers, only to hear that bigger programs were sniffing around late. And we held.

- One of the only two kids we've had decommit in the last two seasons had only 1 other offer before us, blew up rather quickly and now holds an offer from from Alabama.

What we don't know:

- How the two full recruiting cycles will actually shake out talent wise. This is the nature of recruiting.

- How many offers these early commits would hold if they had not verballed to us early.

I think it's more of a stretch to hold this staff to any kind of real scrutiny without knowing much - than it is to question them based on a weak litmus test (how many p5 offers they get).

I'm okay in spelling it out like that - but in the end - I think they've earned our trust.

 

[PhatOrange]

Funny, last year at this time we had a lot of complainers because of the lack of commitments - those guys haven't been around yet.

I think your thought/question is valid. I love the two NY athletes, their lack of offers is not surprising. They were unknown commodities who are starting to now get noticed. These are typical NY recruits that are the lifeblood of this program since the early 80's.

I am skeptical of our two Florida OL. Big time high schools, no offers lightly rated.

The DE from Florida is morphing into one of the better south Florida prospects I think grades might be the early reason for his lack of bigger offers. He's explosive off the edge though.

Conway, spence, robinson and Strickland all have BCS offers and all appear to be big time gets.

 

[bnoro]

Did I say that? We don't have guys that have a lot of high quality offers. Maybe they are all great. I have no idea. But I would like to see offers form power 5 confernce schools.

Davante Davis had no other offers when he committed to us...

If the staff evaluates these players and thinks they are good enough to play for Syracuse then I'll trust them. We've held off so many schools coming in last minute for kids over the last few years that it's pretty obvious the staff knows how to evaluate talent.

 

[syr02esq]

Davante Davis had no other offers when he committed to us... If the staff evaluates these players and thinks they are good enough to play for Syracuse then I'll trust them. We've held off so many schools coming in last minute for kids over the last few years that it's pretty obvious the staff knows how to evaluate talent.

I believe if a school is trying to poach one of our guys last minute it's because the recruit is a plan "b" or "c" for the school anyway. Now, if a school is trying to poach one of our players long before signing day, this probably means we both grade the recruit relatively high.

 

[Libero2]

I believe if a school is trying to poach one of our guys last minute it's because the recruit is a plan "b" or "c" for the school anyway. Now, if a school is trying to poach one of our players long before signing day, this probably means we both grade the recruit relatively high.

Well we certainly have examples of kids last cycle we had to fight till the end for Ward, Slayton, Ishmael just off the top of my head. Yes it's true Ward and Ishmael weren't officially ours, but everybody understood they would be ours in time, especially Ishmael.

Then there are kids like Jonathon Thomas who by all accounts would be high major guys (smitten with Oklahoma) but due to potential grade issues, they didn't take him, thus opening a spot for us in his heart. He was an A-list talent kid, but with questionable grades.

Every situation is different. We definitely took some B-list kids last cycle no doubt, but everybody does. The key is getting the majority of the guys you want, and right now we can definitely say we are landing the kids we want. They just all seem to be RBs, CBs or OL right now.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Who's our most lightly recruited commit?

That would be me. I keep mailing my LOI and it keeps getting mailed back.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I asked a question. I guess that isn't okay here. The rb from NJ is highly recruited. Who else?

Think he was just busting chops. Some of us probably do that a bit too freely.