Notre Dame...

[omniorange]

As I said earlier in this thread, it's too soon to say what will happen based upon one year's data set point. While agreeing that after SOS and Record the committee has put a premium on winning that championship game with all else being equal, we haven't had a 1 loss ND team or even a 1 loss SEC team or 1 loss BiG that didn't get to their championship game (Alabama 2011, Michigan 2006) in the mix yet.

Time and circumstances will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[longtimefan]

ND fan: The playoffs are yearly, independence is forever™

Actually, this is the exact quote:

"The playoffs are a very rare occurrence. Independence is all of the time." TerryD

 

[longtimefan]

As I said earlier in this thread, it's too soon to say what will happen based upon one year's data set point. While agreeing that after SOS and Record the committee has put a premium on winning that championship game with all else being equal, we haven't had a 1 loss ND team or even a 1 loss SEC team or 1 loss BiG that didn't get to their championship game (Alabama 2011, Michigan 2006) in the mix yet.

Time and circumstances will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

The Alabama 2011 example would be very interesting, even if it's LSU, Auburn, Georgia, USC or Oregon in that situation.

 

[sabach]

If not for the Ohio State win, Baylor or TCU was going to the playoff without going undefeated AND without playing in a CCG. Moreover, they would have done so in a year when 3 of the P5 Champs had one or less losses, which itself is not often the case. Given this I think ND can safely assume that for the most part an 11-1 Irish team should make the playoffs and a 12-0 Irish team will, regardless of a CCG. Because of this ND will not need to join a conference in order to secure a better position for the playoffs.

 

[SmilinBob]

The rules have changed. Under the old system, there is no doubt that FSU is in the national championship game. Now not only are they not guaranteed to get there, the aren't even a top 2 seed. History has no relevance under the new system.

That may be true to a point Jake but the ND brand will help them and people are just itching to make this the playoff the best they can for money and if anyone believes this committee doesn't realize the impact of having a ND in the playoff then I have a nice bridge to sell you.

That being said I despise the politics of this whole thing with an utter passion. Who is to say who is more deserving? Let them do it on the field not in some backroom deal.

 

[TheCusian]

Actually, this is the exact quote: "The playoffs are a very rare occurrence. Independence is all of the time." TerryD

I like my version better. Better flow - would fit on a tshirt or bumper sticker...

 

[nd1973]

I like my better..." Passed over by an SEC team and all I got was this stupid t-shirt."®

 

[SU68]

No, no, a thousand times NO! We already have experienced a conference where teams had divergent interests. Never again!

 

[bpo57]

Looking back at previous Power Conference Champs it is clear that this year where all 4 conference champs had 0 or 1 loss was an anomaly. Going back to 2011 (when the P-12 and B1G started having a championship game) here are the # of Power Conference Champs with 0 or 1 loss:

2011- 1 (SEC)
2012- 1 (SEC)
2013- 2 (SEC and ACC)

In fact the ACC had a run of 8 consecutive years until 2013 where its conference champ had at least two losses. History would suggest that a repeat of what happened this year is a low probability. Thereby rendering moot the notion that an independent like ND has to go undefeated in order to be in the playoffs.

 

[KaiserUEO]

its the P-L-A-Y-O---S people!!

brand is done.

competing for eyeballs on New Years Day or at night the week before is O-V-E-R.

its built, the viewship will come.

can 1 get in without winning their conf game? sure, but you have to be freakin lucky.

the only reason tcu and the baylors of the world had a horse in this race is because miss st lost to ole miss.

they win that and the dynamic pathetic duo are finishing 6th & 7th.

 

[bpo57]

yes.

because they just won their championship game while nd was eating doritos hoping for all kinds of upsets to put them back in the mix, praying the committee would consider them for inclusion.

So then you're saying the overall body of work doesn't matter. It's all about winning your conference championship even if you compiled that 12-1 record against a rather soft schedule. If that's the case then why even convene a committee?

 

[Toga]

 

[orange79]

Looking back at previous Power Conference Champs it is clear that this year where all 4 conference champs had 0 or 1 loss was an anomaly. Going back to 2011 (when the P-12 and B1G started having a championship game) here are the # of Power Conference Champs with 0 or 1 loss:

2011- 1 (SEC)
2012- 1 (SEC)
2013- 2 (SEC and ACC)

In fact the ACC had a run of 8 consecutive years until 2013 where its conference champ had at least two losses. History would suggest that a repeat of what happened this year is a low probability. Thereby rendering moot the notion that an independent like ND has to go undefeated in order to be in the playoffs.

Actually, it only renders it moot if you ignore all the correct things Jake and the Kaiser have been saying.

 

[bpo57]

its the P-L-A-Y-O---S people!!

brand is done.

competing for eyeballs on New Years Day or at night the week before is O-V-E-R.

can 1 get in without winning their conf game for sure, but you have to be freakin lucky.

the only reason tcu and the baylors of the world had a horse in this race is because miss st lost to ole miss.

they win that and the dynamic pathetic duo are finishing 6th & 7th.

I posted the Vegas Power rankings here a few days ago. That "pathetic duo" was rated higher by Vegas handicappers than Ohio State, Florida State and either of the two Mississippi teams. Uh, ya need to get out more often and watch some football.

 

[bpo57]

Actually, it only renders it moot if you ignore all the correct things Jake and the Kaiser have been saying.

LOL, go ahead champ and explain how that is the case. Go ahead and try in your own words instead of somebody else's.

 

[KaiserUEO]

So then you're saying the overall body of work doesn't matter. It's all about winning your conference championship even if you compiled that 12-1 record against a rather soft schedule. If that's the case then why even convene a committee?

no.

im saying that if you do win your champ game and you have a top record...you are ahead of someone who didnt.

you need a committee because what if wisky and ga tech won?? now lesser teams like garfunkel and oates can get in.

I posted the Vegas Power rankings here a few days ago. That "pathetic duo" was rated higher by Vegas handicappers than Ohio State, Florida State and either of the two Mississippi teams. Uh, ya need to get out more often and watch some football.

vegas??

um, ok.

 

[bpo57]

no.

im saying that if you do win your champ game and you have a top record...you are ahead of someone who didnt.

you need a committee because what if wisky and ga tech won?? now lesser teams like garfunkel and oates can get in.



vegas??

um, ok.

Trust Vegas' viewpoint a helluva lot more than that noted football historian, UEO. Seriously, did you watch either of those two play this year. They're damn good teams that could definitely hold their own with an OSU or FSU.

 

[sabach]

Actually, it only renders it moot if you ignore all the correct things Jake and the Kaiser have been saying.

Those "correct things" are not mutually exclusive to the point bpo57 was making. Say the committee will not give ND credit for being ND with its legions of fans and tv viewers going forward and ND has to earn the playoffs on its own merit which is the point Jake and Kaiser have been making. That said, it is an anomaly that there are so many one or fewer loss conference champions this year. Therefore, it still is likely an 11-1 ND team and certainly a 12-0 ND team will make the playoffs in most years. So the idea that ND needs to join a conference in order to secure its position in the playoffs is moot even if ND is no longer going to be given preferential treatment by the committee.

 

[orange79]

LOL, go ahead champ and explain how that is the case. Go ahead and try in your own words instead of somebody else's.

Champ, huh? OK, Sparky. I have nothing to add to their comments. Why would I waste time recapping their thoughts? I feel they covered everything very succinctly.

 

[bpo57]

Those "correct things" are not mutually exclusive to the point bpo57 was making. Say the committee will not give ND credit for being ND with its legions of fans and tv viewers going forward and ND has to earn the playoffs on its own merit which is the point Jake and Kaiser have been making. That said, it is an anomaly that there are so many one or fewer loss conference champions this year. Therefore, it still is likely an 11-1 ND team and certainly a 12-0 ND team will make the playoffs in most years. So the idea that ND needs to join a conference in order to secure its position in the playoffs is moot even if ND is no longer going to be given preferential treatment by the committee.

Agreed Sabach and just to put a finer point on it- I am not saying ND's fans/tv viewers are going to ensure that ND gets preferential treatment such that they'll get in over someone with a better resume. That won't happen. What I am saying is that ND's fans/tv viewers will help to ensure they aren't DQ'ed just because they didn't win a CCG. And yes ND has very little incentive to join a football conference. That ain't happening anytime soon.

 

[bpo57]

Champ, huh? OK, Sparky. I have nothing to add to their comments. Why would I waste time recapping their thoughts? I feel they covered everything very succinctly.

As I suspected.

 

[orange79]

As I suspected.

????

 

[KaiserUEO]

Trust Vegas' viewpoint a helluva lot more than that noted football historian, UEO. Seriously, did you watch either of those two play this year. They're damn good teams that could definitely hold their own with an OSU or FSU.

then tell the committee to go themselves and let vegas run the show.

i never said they couldnt hold their own, i said that based on COMMON SENSE, they were not going to get in...once the P5 confs that had a champ game had their chalk win.

if baylor played tcu again last sat...1 of them was getting left out.

if 1 of them played someone else...and lost, that team was out...and quite possibly the other non playing team as well.

the P5 are competing for 4 spots.

capeche??

 

[bpo57]

Champ, huh? OK, Sparky. I have nothing to add to their comments. Why would I waste time recapping their thoughts? I feel they covered everything very succinctly.

Jake and UEO's entire premise was built on the notion that ND has been served notice that it's an entirely new day. That a one loss ND would not get in over a one loss Power Conference Champion. Only problem- as history has shown- the likelihood of all four power conferences having a champion with one loss is very remote. Hell in the previous three years there were only 4 power conference champs combined that had one loss.

 

[bpo57]

then tell the committee to go themselves and let vegas run the show.

i never said they couldnt hold their own, i said that based on COMMON SENSE, they were not going to get in...once the P5 confs that had a champ game had their chalk win.

if baylor played tcu again last sat...1 of them was getting left out.

if 1 of them played someone else...and lost, that team was out...and quite possibly the other non playing team as well.

the P5 are competing for 4 spots.

capeche??

Plausible arguments could be made for OSU, TCU and Baylor. Definitely not cut and dried. And many factors went into the decision not just the fact that the B-12 did not have a conference champ. That's a convenient excuse. Where I disagree with you is that the two B-12 teams are a pathetic duo. Baylor is favored over Michigan State and TCU is favored over Mississippi in their respective bowl games. Both would be favored over OSU in a bowl game. That is a fact.