Nova represents everything right about CBB

[SoBeCuse]

I feel the ACC and B1G are the only conferences that matter.

Wow. Bizarre.

 

[Alsacs]

You're so sure. Just because you talk loudly or post constantly doesn't make you more right, or constitute a majority. Townie's point still stands and it's appropriate for many of your "it's on jb" style posts.

The JB can’t do no wrong crew is a small minority.
99.9% of the SU fanbase appreciates JB.
However anyone who isn’t in the JB can’t do no wrong crew realizes this mess is mostly on him.
Bobby Bowden was a legend at FSU but look at how ended for him.
JB isn’t young.
The Hop situation has BEEN BURIED. What happened with Hop has just gone away. Hop was suppose to be HC next year and poof he left. Why don’t people question that.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Considering the NCAAT format has never done a good job of determining the best teams in college basketball? My reaction would probably be, "meh," like it usually is.

Yeah, it’s hard to trust them. Mis-seedings and in general, a single-elimination setting, is hard to determine anything. I personally don’t like to penalize or discredit teams/programs if they have been consistently excellent on the court and then get upset in the tourney for whatever reasons. I guess conference record/performance in a Tourney is the closest way to validate anything. I don’t know.

 

[DoubleDee]

I like Jay Wright. He’s a hell of a dresser, hell of a coach, and quite frankly, a hell of a lot better looking than the average man.

But I don’t want him here.
And can’t imagine why he would ever leave where he’s at.

 

[NineOneSeven]

What's it like to imagine you actually know more than JB?

This might blow your mind, but basketball isn't astrophysics. It's a combination of art, and science.

No, I don't "know more" than Jim Boeheim about coaching college basketball and everything under that umbrella. I figured that was pretty obvious. Guess what? Your God is not always 100% perfect. Deal with it.

 

[Alsacs]

This might blow your mind, but basketball isn't astrophysics. It's a combination of art, and science.

No, I don't "know more" than Jim Boeheim about coaching college basketball and everything under that umbrella. I figured that was pretty obvious. Guess what? Your God is not always 100% perfect. Deal with it.

You're so sure. Just because you talk loudly or post constantly doesn't make you more right, or constitute a majority. Townie's point still stands and it's appropriate for many of your "it's on jb" style posts.

 

[Eric15]

I feel the ACC and B1G are the only conferences that matter.

The Big Ten has won one single national title since 1990 (Michigan State in 2000).

 

[Townie72]

This might blow your mind, but basketball isn't astrophysics. It's a combination of art, and science.

No, I don't "know more" than Jim Boeheim about coaching college basketball and everything under that umbrella. I figured that was pretty obvious. Guess what? Your God is not always 100% perfect. Deal with it.

How are you able to tell when he is wrong? Listen to Alsacs? Listen to any of the small number of posters who somehow are able to identify the weaknesses in the program and come up with solutions even though they have never coached anything in their lives?

 

[Brooky03]

The Big Ten has won one single national title since 1990 (Michigan State in 2000).

Yes

 

[Brooky03]

Wait, should Maryland's count too?

 

[OttoMets]

Of course sanctions have hurt the program. (While we're on the subject, though, could we all agree that the whole "obviously sanctions hurt - that's what they were designed to do" is the dopiest, most fatuous line of reasoning in the history of this board?)

Other independent factors have also contributed.

Sanctions don't prevent four Syracuse players from moving without the ball on offense.

 

[Alsacs]

How are you able to tell when he is wrong? Listen to Alsacs? Listen to any of the small number of posters who somehow are able to identify the weaknesses in the program and come up with solutions even though they have never coached anything in their lives?

You make it sound like what is said is crazy.
It’s more like JB doesn’t want to change because he doesn’t want to change.
If he can’t see what he wants typically do on offense isn’t going to work with this team and we still do that when geez I am shocked people question it.
But yeah the criticism is wrong and the program is fine.

 

[JoeySimz]

The JB can’t do no wrong crew is a small minority.
99.9% of the SU fanbase appreciates JB.
However anyone who isn’t in the JB can’t do no wrong crew realizes this mess is mostly on him.
Bobby Bowden was a legend at FSU but look at how ended for him.
JB isn’t young.
The Hop situation has BEEN BURIED. What happened with Hop has just gone away. Hop was suppose to be HC next year and poof he left. Why don’t people question that.

Hop sit. Not really. JB has actually explained it in detail. And it has been reported on in detail. I guess it just didn't get the amount of attention (negative) that you would have liked to see.

I've never heard anyone, including townie, say that jb can do know wrong. He mostly pokes holes in other's statements. Seldomly, the challenged capably defends his/her stance.

 

[Townie72]

You make it sound like what is said is crazy.
It’s more like JB doesn’t want to change because he doesn’t want to change.
If he can’t see what he wants typically do on offense isn’t going to work with this team and we still do that when geez I am shocked people question it.
But yeah the criticism is wrong and the program is fine.

But you from your den or where ever CAN see what's wrong and knows how it can be fixed or what ought to be done differently?

That's what you are going with?

 

[OttoMets]

The Big Ten has won one single national title since 1990 (Michigan State in 2000).

Haha, yeah, I've leaned on two rock-solid principles in predicting college basketball over the years:

1) No matter how many bids they get or where the teams have been ranked, the Big Ten will underachieve relative to expectations; and
2) When highly ranked, Notre Dame will underachieve relative to expectations.

 

[Eric15]

you are right, they are on a great run. but these things run in cycles

If in a few years Nova has crapped the bed, I will calibrate my take based on those results. But right now, based on their recent success with program players and a high-scoring highly efficient offense, I personally consider them the gold standard of the sport.

 

[NineOneSeven]

How are you able to tell when he is wrong? Listen to Alsacs? Listen to any of the small number of posters who somehow are able to identify the weaknesses in the program and come up with solutions even though they have never coached anything in their lives?

Yes exactly

 

[Alsacs]

Hop sit. Not really. JB has actually explained it in detail. And it has been reported on in detail. I guess it just didn't get the amount of attention (negative) that you would have liked to see.

I've never heard anyone, including townie, say that jb can do know wrong. He mostly pokes holes in other's statements. Seldomly, the challenged capably defends his/her stance.

Your a waste of my time. I can’t take posters like you.
If you don’t like my “negativity” put me on block and avoid it no skin off my back.
Hop did JB a favor taking the Washington job.
The mess Hop would have inherited would have gotten Hop killed from the fanbase and put him on thinner ice than he deserved.
Hop took a good job and left.
JB got to continue as HC.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Who's we? You're not on the recruiting trail or on the roster.

It's mind blowing how many people on this board think that bringing in players is that easy. If it were, SU would have a top 5 class every year with the talent that they've gone after. With the exception of Quade, the staff has done what they could to get players to come here. They've gone after shooters (Kevin Huerter, Alex O'Connell, Jordan Tucker) who can stretch the floor to big men (Nick Richards, Mo Bamba) who will command double teams in the paint because of their skill in the interior. You can only get guys to come to Syracuse that want to play here. Some recruitments are controlled by a parent, advisor or AAU/HS coach that has their own interests in mind; Naz Reid (a one-time Syracuse target) being one of those guys.

So are you factoring in the all zone issue? Because that is a real issue and deterrent like it or not. It has been chronicled over and over by posters in the know who cover recruiting on/off of this board. All zone eliminates certain prospects immediately. Generally the elite ones. Also, the coaches have to ‘verify’ first who to actually try to target/visit when they find out that a certain kid would be OK with playing all zone. Now, the murky part is how much kids talk and play telephone in regards to how ‘all zone sucks’ or is ‘uncool’ as well as how many coaches use it against them in recruiting. One would expect this to be happening.

Now, in the grand scheme of things I don’t think all zone hurts you or your prospects on the next level. Personally, I’m beginning to worry more about the offensive scheme and product on the floor on that side of the ball for the past four years or so as a major deterrent. You don’t see many fundamentals exhibited, barely any guys who can dribble and pass lately, no transition, etc. That’s for another day to belabor.

So, in closing, the all zone limits your style of play on the court obviosuly and also limits what recruits you can realistically get. It’s also hard to tell and is murky in terms what Hopkins coaching here could’ve brought in terms of players and success. Personally I did not want Hopkins and prefer somoene completely outside of SU to be the next coach but you see what he is doing at UW. Mixing up styles, fun and exciting basketball, with a supposedly less talented roster than SU’s. One credible person who covers recruiting was told that recruits and coaches were really on board with a Hopkins change and having a fresh and different scheme and perspective. Then the sabotage happened and you also lose the good cop who kept things balanced behind the scenes and prevented a few real disasters and/or departures. No excuses next season.

 

[Alsacs]

But you from your den or where ever CAN see what's wrong and knows how it can be fixed or what ought to be done differently?

That's what you are going with?

By this logic nobody but a paid basketball coach can have an opinion on basketball coaching performance.
My god.

 

[Townie72]

You make it sound like what is said is crazy.
It’s more like JB doesn’t want to change because he doesn’t want to change.
If he can’t see what he wants typically do on offense isn’t going to work with this team and we still do that when geez I am shocked people question it.
But yeah the criticism is wrong and the program is fine.

The program isn't fine, but the criticism is what you would expect from fans who never coached a game. It's all based on what they see on TV or what they read on the net posted by others who are equally clueless.

 

[SoBeCuse]

This might blow your mind, but basketball isn't astrophysics. It's a combination of art, and science.

No, I don't "know more" than Jim Boeheim about coaching college basketball and everything under that umbrella. I figured that was pretty obvious. Guess what? Your God is not always 100% perfect. Deal with it.

You sound like Walton here. Love it!

 

[OttoMets]

Hop sit. Not really. JB has actually explained it in detail. And it has been reported on in detail. I guess it just didn't get the amount of attention (negative) that you would have liked to see.

I've never heard anyone, including townie, say that jb can do know wrong. He mostly pokes holes in other's statements. Seldomly, the challenged capably defends his/her stance.

While 99% of the board talks about basketball based on our observations, Townie just beats up straw men and complains about how everybody on the internet is dumber than he is. And maybe he hasn't stated it, I don't know, but his posting history suggests that he thinks Boeheim can do no wrong. (If anybody's got evidence to the contrary, I'll be quick to apologize.)

Not a lot to defend and admire there, but to each his own...

 

[Townie72]

By this logic nobody but a paid basketball coach can have an opinion on basketball coaching performance.
My god.

You can have all the opinions you want. But your opinions being taken as seriously as you like isn't going to happen.

 

[Alsacs]

The program isn't fine, but the criticism is what you would expect from fans who never coached a game. It's all based on what they see on TV or what they read on the net posted by others who are equally clueless.

We are irrelevant on national TV. So the criticism doesn’t come from there.
Please tell me where on the net besides here where people care about Syracuse hoops?

The criticism comes from watching the team.