Official 2014 National LOI Day Thread

[HarrisonJBounel]

no you're wrong. It is arbitrary and a way for them to bump up or bump down class ratings without messing with stars.

I'm curious though where it says where a kid is worth X number of points. If we had 3 more players rated at 5.7 we'd jump up to 1600 points which would put us at #33.

but where does it say how many total points a kid is worth? 5.6 is worth 75 points? I can't find what they're actually worth.

***

You have to go to their FAQ's:

http://footballrecruiting./content.asp?SID=880&CID=1364602

What is the formula?

Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points

Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)

(Rivals Rating = Points)

6.1 = 150 points
6.0 = 135 points
5.9 = 120 points
5.8 = 105 points
5.7 = 90 points
5.6 = 75 points
5.5 = 60 points
5.4 = 45 points
5.3 = 30 points
5.2 = 15 points

*Prospects without an assigned rating will count for no points. All FBS committed prospects will have a rating once evaluated and rankings are updated.

Rivals 250 Bonus Scale (all commitments)

#1= 100 points
#2= 83 points
#3= 82 points
#4= 81 points
#5= 80 points
#6= 76 points
#7= 75 points
#8= 74 points
#9= 73 points
#10= 72 points
#11= 69 points
#12= 68 points
#13= 67 points
#14= 66 points
#15= 65 points
#16= 64 points
#17= 63 points
#18= 62 points
#19= 61 points
#20= 60 points
#21= 59 points
#22= 58 points
#23= 57 points
#24= 56 points
#25= 55 points

#26-30= 53 points
#31-35= 51 points
#36-40= 49 points
#41-45= 47 points
#46-50= 45 points
#51-55= 43 points
#56-60= 41 points

#61-65= 40 points
#66-70= 39 points
#71-75= 38 points
#76-80= 37 points
#81-85= 36 points
#86-90= 35 points
#91-95= 34 points
#96-100= 33 points

#101-105= 32 points
#106-110= 31 points
#111-115= 30 points
#116-120= 29 points
#121-125= 28 points
#126-130= 27 points
#131-135= 26 points
#136-140= 25 points
#141-145= 24 points
#146-150= 23 points
#151-155= 22 points
#156-160= 21 points
#161-165= 20 points
#166-170= 19 points
#171-175= 18 points
#176-180= 17 points
#181-185= 16 points
#186-190= 15 points
#191-195= 14 points
#196-200= 13 points
#201-205= 12 points
#206-210= 11 points
#211-215= 10 points
#216-220= 9 points
#221-225= 8 points
#226-230= 7 points
#231-235= 6 points
#236-240= 5 points
#241-245= 4 points
#246-250= 3 points

 

[HOFCeluck]

Do you mean 01? The Edelin, Forth, Warrick, Pace class? Not 2000 - which I think highlighted David Thues and Greg Davis.

Yes, thank you.

 

[Orangeyes]

Chris Slayton signs, caps smooth national signing day for Syracuse football

 

[MSOrange]

Thanks to CuseLegacy and everyone else who helps keep this board up to date. I have never enjoyed a signing day more since it was so much easier for me to keep track of who was who just from reading this board thoughout the year. Awesome job!

 

[PhatOrange]

Regarding Steve Ishmael, the only site that has him a 4 is ESPN. I judge him to be a 4* based on his film, his production, his 2 years of state accolades and the schools that wanted him as well as what opposing coaches have said about his ability. I have little doubt that if he flirted more with the big boys he'd have been 4 stars; and he certainly could have.

In general, i chart and track the ratings of every kid who commits to Syracuse. This year not one of our recruits received a bump up in rating, though kids who de-committed received bumps.

Adly Enoicy went from (rvls) 4* 5.8 rating (in November) down to a 2* 5.4 rating. That kind of a drop is a joke. They rated him high to begin with based on what he'd done to that point in time. He didn't really do anything to deserve the drop this season except play on a terrible team.

On the contrary, Beau B from Wisconsin was a 2* 5.3 rated kid when committed to Cuse and is now a 3* 5.5 kid committed to Wisconsin.

Jason Canbinda was a 2* 5.3 rated kid when committed to Cuse and is now a 3* 5.5 since committing to Penn State.

Say what you will but the trends bear out that the fix is in.

 

[rrlbees]

Exactly, especially the recruits that attend their camps or who've been offered/commit to a large subscription member.

Case in point: SU's recruiting class vs Buttger's class. If you compare player by player it's a first round knockout for us. They have very few players that we'd trade for, yet, they're still relatively close in Skout's ridiculous ranking system. Same can be said about BC and Ryvals...complete BS.

Personally, I'll put my trust in our staff's evaluation abilities.

Of course, you don't know how any of it works and I've explained it a dozen times. You certainly have to trust the staff. But that doesn't mean they recruited all 5 stars. And the services are infinitely better at this than you or I. So we certainly don't know.

 

[rrlbees]

It is arbitrary and a way for them to bump up or bump down class ratings without messing with stars.

I'm curious though where it says where a kid is worth X number of points. If we had 3 more players rated at 5.7 we'd jump up to 1600 points which would put us at #33.

but where does it say how many total points a kid is worth? 5.6 is worth 75 points? I can't find what they're actually worth.

***

This is per rvls.

The ranking system ranks prospects on a numerical scale from 6.1-4.9.

• 6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect
  
• 6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team
  
• 5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team
  
• 5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player
  
• 4.9 Sleeper; no expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about

It's in the FAQ's. The difference between 5.5 and 5.7 is something like 40 points each toward team ranking. Not 1600.

 

[Orangeyes]

Regarding Steve Ishmael, the only site that has him a 4 is ESPN. I judge him to be a 4* based on his film, his production, his 2 years of state accolades and the schools that wanted him as well as what opposing coaches have said about his ability. I have little doubt that if he flirted more with the big boys he'd have been 4 stars; and he certainly could have.

In general, i chart and track the ratings of every kid who commits to Syracuse. This year not one of our recruits received a bump up in rating, though kids who de-committed received bumps.

Adly Enoicy went from (rvls) 4* 5.8 rating (in November) down to a 2* 5.4 rating. That kind of a drop is a joke. They rated him high to begin with based on what he'd done to that point in time. He didn't really do anything to deserve the drop this season except play on a terrible team.

On the contrary, Beau B from Wisconsin was a 2* 5.3 rated kid when committed to Cuse and is now a 3* 5.5 kid committed to Wisconsin.

Jason Canbinda was a 2* 5.3 rated kid when committed to Cuse and is now a 3* 5.5 since committing to Penn State.

Say what you will but the trends bear out that the fix is in.

What else is new, same old same old just puts more fuel on the fire.couchburn

 

[rrlbees]

Slayton's in.

Got everyone they hoped to get in the end. Best class in a while and fills some needs. All you can hope for.

 

[RMH44]

Of course, you don't know how any of it works and I've explained it a dozen times. You certainly have to trust the staff. But that doesn't mean they recruited all 5 stars. And the services are infinitely better at this than you or I. So we certainly don't know.

No one here thinks we got all 5-star guys. Bees, all I'm saying is that there is built-in bias into the services...it only makes good business sense on their part.

We'll find out how good or bad this class is 3-4 years down the road.

 

[Orangeyes]

Thought for the day, "Ray Lewis & Andre Reed were two stars out of high school."

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[rrlbees]

Regarding Steve Ishmael, the only site that has him a 4 is ESPN. I judge him to be a 4* based on his film, his production, his 2 years of state accolades and the schools that wanted him as well as what opposing coaches have said about his ability. I have little doubt that if he flirted more with the big boys he'd have been 4 stars; and he certainly could have.

In general, i chart and track the ratings of every kid who commits to Syracuse. This year not one of our recruits received a bump up in rating, though kids who de-committed received bumps.

Adly Enoicy went from (rvls) 4* 5.8 rating (in November) down to a 2* 5.4 rating. That kind of a drop is a joke. They rated him high to begin with based on what he'd done to that point in time. He didn't really do anything to deserve the drop this season except play on a terrible team.

On the contrary, Beau B from Wisconsin was a 2* 5.3 rated kid when committed to Cuse and is now a 3* 5.5 kid committed to Wisconsin.

Jason Canbinda was a 2* 5.3 rated kid when committed to Cuse and is now a 3* 5.5 since committing to Penn State.

Say what you will but the trends bear out that the fix is in.

Cherry pick all you want. You don't know the process or how/why changes are made. It's not always about a singular kid but what others did. Someone moves up, someone moves down. One set of ratings can be based in their season or even junior year. Then kids go to camps, combines and all star games and things can change. Is it a perfect system? He'll no, even coaches aren't perfect in their evals. But 80% or more of those guys will eval circles around you or me.

I'm not gonna claim a couple of their idiots don't play favorites. But as a whole, the system isn't a scam like you want to believe.

Not that they used it to replace their own evals, but when we were at those sites, the SU football program had accounts. Go look at the football roster at the SU athletics site and read the profiles. The site ratings are referenced in some of them. I wouldn't think SU would use them for anything if it was some corrupt entity.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Per my calcs, we should have 1398 points, not 1308 on Rvls. That would put us at #45, ceteris paribus:





Name Pos Rivals Rating Points
Parris Bennett LB 5.4 45
Corey Cooper WR 5.5 60
Antwan Cordy ATH 5.4 45
Jamal Custis WR 5.5 60
Lamar Dawson DB 5.4 45
Juwan Dowels DB 5.5 60
Alin Edouard QB 5.6 75
Adly Enoicy WR 5.4 45
Zaire Franklin LB 5.7 90
Jalen Harvey DT 5.2 15
Naesean Howard RB 5.5 60
Cordell Hudson DB 5.5 60
Steve Ishmael WR 5.7 90
A.J. Long QB 5.5 60
Colton Moskal LB 5.5 60
Ervin Phillips RB 5.3 30
Treevon Prater ATH 5.5 60
Aaron Roberts OL 5.5 60
Kayton Samuels DT 5.2 15
Chris Slayton DE 5.6 75
Jonathan Thomas LB 5.6 75
Denzel Ward OL 5.6 75
K.J. Williams WR 5.8 108
Rodney Williams DB 5.3 30
Total 1398

I'm guessing they didn't count the points for Franklin or Ishmael since they are the only 90 pointers on the list.

 

[SUskibum]

No one here thinks we got all 5-star guys. Bees, all I'm saying is that there is built-in bias into the services...it only makes good business sense on their part.

We'll find out how good or bad this class is 3-4 years down the road.

I want to go on record and say this class will win an ACC title before they receive their degree from Syracuse University

Also given the level of success that HCSS's staff did in his their very first year, it gives me a lot of hope that when some of these guys leave for bigger roles elsewhere (because they were so successful here) that HCSS will replace them with equally dynamic candidates

 

[Orangeyes]

Rodney Williams of Cherry Hill West signs to play football at ...

 

[suloyalfan]

Per my calcs, we should have 1398 points, not 1308 on Rvls. That would put us at #45, ceteris paribus:

Name Pos Rivals Rating Points
Parris Bennett LB 5.4 45
Corey Cooper WR 5.5 60
Antwan Cordy ATH 5.4 45
Jamal Custis WR 5.5 60
Lamar Dawson DB 5.4 45
Juwan Dowels DB 5.5 60
Alin Edouard QB 5.6 75
Adly Enoicy WR 5.4 45
Zaire Franklin LB 5.7 90
Jalen Harvey DT 5.2 15
Naesean Howard RB 5.5 60
Cordell Hudson DB 5.5 60
Steve Ishmael WR 5.7 90
A.J. Long QB 5.5 60
Colton Moskal LB 5.5 60
Ervin Phillips RB 5.3 30
Treevon Prater ATH 5.5 60
Aaron Roberts OL 5.5 60
Kayton Samuels DT 5.2 15
Chris Slayton DE 5.6 75
Jonathan Thomas LB 5.6 75
Denzel Ward OL 5.6 75
K.J. Williams WR 5.8 108
Rodney Williams DB 5.3 30
Total 1398

Don't forget Wayne Williams... they will add them in after the Signing Day recount for the final class ranking. This class should end up in the 40's. Until we start landing more 4* recruits and Top 250 players, it's tough to climb much higher than that in these rankings. The points start multiplying quickly when you get those highly rated players.

 

[rrlbees]

Thought for the day, "Ray Lewis & Andre Reed were two stars out of high school."

Here's another thought. Some 2 become studs, some 4/5 stars bomb out. Some recruits that we got will flourish, some won't, regardless of stars. Some NFL 1st round picks will bomb, some undrafted players and late round picks will become stars.

It's an in exact science at all levels. That's why I giggle when people think they have the ability themselves to determine whether a player should be a 5.5 or a 5.6 or 3 stars or 4 stars.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Don't forget Wayne Williams... they will add them in after the Signing Day recount for the final class ranking. This class should end up in the 40's. Until we start landing more 4* recruits and Top 250 players, it's tough to climb much higher than that in these rankings. The points start multiplying quickly when you get those highly rated players.

Yeah, but other schools got good JUCO players, too. Unless I'm missing something, I just want them to get the math right.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I'd be ok taking the 15 yards if he dunked it over the goalpost on the first drive of the Fla St game in the dome my birthday weekend.

Holy cow, is he a player! He runs so well, with long strides that gobble up the yards and is very shifty in the open field. Reads blocks very well. What a "get" !!

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

When I see this, he reminds me of a football version of Tyler Ennis.

 

[rrlbees]

Yeah, but other schools got good JUCO players, too. Unless I'm missing something, I just want them to get the math right.

I don't remember which site but one of them only counts a teams top 20 recruits in the math for team ranking.

 

[iommi]

Just for a point of reference, does anyone have what our previous class (or classes) were ranked? My apology if already posted. Thanks.

 

[SUskibum]

Just saw a graphic on the WWL that the ACC has the 2nd most ESPN top 300 recruits.

Bodes well for the future I would think, especially since based on what I have read here, they shorted us on at least a few of our kids (and subsequently the ACC as well)

War GD OTTO!

 

[orange79]

Just for a point of reference, does anyone have what our previous class (or classes) were ranked? My apology if already posted. Thanks.

Rivals

2013 - #74
2012 - #66
2011 - #76

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrec...ng/teamrank;_ylt=Al.vQ.Ek_86YoK4nzZfD3INGPZB4

You can go all the way back to 2002 using the dropdown at the top of the page.