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Few thoughts…

The Good:

- OL looked remarkably competent. Great run blocking, solid pass blocking. If they stay healthy and keep improving it’s impossible to overstate how important this unit will be in determining our season.

- Tucker is a monster. In addition to his toughness, he has a gear where he can run away from people. Such a huge weapon. Kid *was* the O yesterday.

- Tackling was solid. Amazing what happens when guys wrap up.

- Chestnut is the Tucker of the D. Kid’s a star.

- D hunkered down and made stops in the red zone. I’m the modern college game, I’ll take FGs all day.

- Specials looked really good. Kickoffs went into the end zone, FGs and XPs were made, punts were placed perfectly, return game gave us good field position, coverage was string. Couldn’t ask much more from this unit, which is absolutely critical for SU having a good year.

The concerns:

- Gotta convert TDs deep in the red zone. Just have to.

- Ds gotta get off the field a bit more. Couple drives needed to be stopped before they got in FG range.

- WRs need to get much better separation. I don’t think we have the talent to do this 1-on-1, so the OC’s going to need to scheme them open.

- Passing game needs moreplays. I’m chalking this up to the game plan being vanilla.


None of the concerns are things that can’t be addressed. The good seems repeatable.

Last thing, there is no more worthless cliche than the “biggest improvement comes between weeks 1 and 2”. I’ve followed football my entire life and I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that’s true. Hell, SU has a history of doing the exact opposite (hello, 1997 and 2019 seasons). So there should be no assumption things just magically get better for the Rutgers game. That being said, we reallllly need to beat those jerks.
 
Scooch said:
Few thoughts…

The Good:

- OL looked remarkably competent. Great run blocking, solid pass blocking. If they stay healthy and keep improving it’s impossible to overstate how important this unit will be in determining our season.

- Tucker is a monster. In addition to his toughness, he has a gear where he can run away from people. Such a huge weapon. Kid *was* the O yesterday.

- Tackling was solid. Amazing what happens when guys wrap up.

- Chestnut is the Tucker of the D. Kid’s a star.

- D hunkered down and made stops in the red zone. I’m the modern college game, I’ll take FGs all day.

- Specials looked really good. Kickoffs went into the end zone, FGs and XPs were made, punts were placed perfectly, return game gave us good field position, coverage was string. Couldn’t ask much more from this unit, which is absolutely critical for SU having a good year.

The concerns:

- Gotta convert TDs deep in the red zone. Just have to.

- Ds gotta get off the field a bit more. Couple drives needed to be stopped before they got in FG range.

- WRs need to get much better separation. I don’t think we have the talent to do this 1-on-1, so the OC’s going to need to scheme them open.

- Passing game needs moreplays. I’m chalking this up to the game plan being vanilla.


None of the concerns are things that can’t be addressed. The good seems repeatable.

Last thing, there is no more worthless cliche than the “biggest improvement comes between weeks 1 and 2”. I’ve followed football my entire life and I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that’s true. Hell, SU has a history of doing the exact opposite (hello, 1997 and 2019 seasons). So there should be no assumption things just magically get better for the Rutgers game. That being said, we reallllly need to beat those jerks.
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How many times in the past have we seen our corners and even our safeties get stuck in a 1on1 situation and try to arm tackle and just get thrown off? Duce mirrored the runner, squared up, and wrapped the legs and didn’t let go until he heard the whistle. So refreshing to see. He’s gonna be a good one.
 
rrlbees said:
we threw 2 deep balls the whole game. The one that was 1-2 inches overthrown that I thought Taj could have laid out some for and the other was to Jackson I think that was perfectly thrown except the DB grabbed his arm with no call.
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Was there and initially thought same, then realized he likely lost it in the lights
 
Cuseregular said:
Was there and initially thought same, then realized he likely lost it in the lights
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I thought he turned his head the wrong way. So could have been lights. I also thought that was an issue at least once last year. Not as easy to run those routes from the slot.
 
tep624 said:
My definition of a deep ball is clearly different than yours.

15 yard slants are not deep throws. Feel free to point out to me where he connected on one that was actually in the air for 25-30 yards.

Did you actually watch the game or are you just reading a box score?
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where did I say he completed any deep shots last night. They took two and barely missed by a step. People are weird that don’t remember the numerous times he has completed those types of throws.
 
ITT people really not understanding how hard it is to be a WR catching a ball on a deep route.

Deep balls are hard to complete. We have an average QB with Taj + average WRs

Tommy missed both deep balls, he missed a TD throw that was open as well. Degree of difficulty is hard on the deep balls and Jackson’s defender was grabbing him but I don’t want to have to rely on that call.

The announcer was openly calling out Tommy missing open guys. It’s fine. We were able to run the ball. Tommy made some nice plays with his legs. He made some nice passes for sure

I’m still a pro-GS guy. I’ll root like all get out every snap Tommy takes, but he didn’t show me anything that was a step up from where he has been and we’re going to have to be way more varied in our offense next week to get a W.

With that said, Tucker is our best player. I’m happy to run the ball a healthy dose.

1-0 and a team I would love to crush next week.
 
I finally got to watch the game today and am really excited for what’s to come!

Last night I tried to stream it but my vision was wine-impaired and I spent the entire 2 hour car ride yelling every bad take I’ve read on this board at PAcuse …while crying. My borrowed H0T Takes were beyond cringe-worthy.
 
HtownOrange said:
Good points.

Joe Morris was a cut back runner and could break defenders' ankles when he made his cuts. Different style, highly effective. Did the same in the NFL.

I think as teams plan for Tucker, HCDB gets the other backs more in the game. Different styles of running are harder to prepare for. Same with WRs, variety is good.
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That's what I had hoped we would get to see from Jawahr Jordan. He reminded me a bit of Joe Morris, or dare I say, Barry Sanders.
 
Bball44 said:
Would be nice to see a healthy Hough get some run later in the season while retaining his redshirt. Maybe in a bowl game!
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I think I read that he may miss the whole year.
That is usually what you hear after an ACL.
 
Scooch said:
Last thing, there is no more worthless cliche than the “biggest improvement comes between weeks 1 and 2”.
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Preach it brother!

Scooch said:
I’ve followed football my entire life and I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that’s true. So there should be no assumption things just magically get better for the Rutgers game. That being said, we reallllly need to beat those jerks.
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This is the truth. If you look at progression of groups, like an O line, D line, secondary, etc., you usually see your best by week 4, if nobody gets hurt. That's what I have seen in the post-P&D era.
 
JRHEETER said:
Right, my gripe is that he “managed the game”

we had a stretch in the late second quarter where we drove and then got down the red zone and we couldn’t get anything done.

I’m not saying Tommy did bad. I’m just saying I would have liked to see the change of pace there to see what Shrader has or doesn’t have.
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I agree, and when it happened again in the third quarter, with us already up 12 and Ohio not looking like a threat, I absolutely do not understand why Shrader didn't get the last 20 minutes of that game.
 
IthacaMatt said:
I agree, and when it happened again in the third quarter, with us already up 12 and Ohio not looking like a threat, I absolutely do not understand why Shrader didn't get the last 20 minutes of that game.
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why does everyone think the currently back up QB should have been put in at this point or that point?
 
rrlbees said:
why does everyone think the currently back up QB should have been put in at this point or that point?
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(1) Because we were told that he wanted to get both QBs ready, that Shrader was brought here to compete and the game seemed safely in hand; and

(2) Tommy has been hurt in the past, and you want to have your back-up get safe minutes to get into the flow of real games, not just practices.

No politics involved. That's just common sense, and it's what the coach has said.
 
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