Our Best Lineup

[Consigliere]

Richardson will start at the 3. Roberson goes to the 4 even if he's a bit small. It's his natural position.

Bryant starts from Day 1.

 

[bevosu]

I think we have all learned over time that dad's are not the best judge of their kids' ability.

His dad didn't recruit him.

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I'm editing this post because I don't want the original response to be misinterpreted...my original response is above and remains unedited.

I meant that BJ is obviously well thought of by the coaching staff or he wouldn't be here. I like BJ as a player and think he has a great deal of potential. He may not be the most critical piece of the puzzle at this point (PG), but he is my favorite player and the one that I have the highest hopes for.

I'll admit that the post that I responded to rubbed me the wrong way. I felt it was unnecessarily snide. I apologize if what I said seemed to imply that I agreed with the tone of hoopsupstate's intent.

At the same time I may have misinterpreted the poster's intent? His follow up explanation was much more reasonable.

 

[CuseHulk]

Bryant starts from Day 1.

First. Bryant is not ours yet.

Second. Could see Bryant at the 5.

 

[rrlbees]

Bryant starts from Day 1.

At the 5.

 

[CuseHulk]

At the 5.

Daigne would be the backup ?

 

[orangefan13]

Alot depends on who is guarding who.

Kalebs roughest part right now isn't his maturity, or his handle its his inability to handle a physical defender imo. He drives away from physical play, and is learning he can't get the fast breaks he got in highschool.
We all saw Cooney light up michigan then have a rough game against st johns, although he is good when he gets inside. Pattersons D has been a plus more then any of our other guards. As a defensive team right now its hard not to give patterson the nod, as a offensive team its hard not to give cooney the nod, kaleb is a learning youth . It depends on what kind of momentum jb is trying to build.

 

[Ghost]

I don't think too many people are screaming for Patterson over Joseph because of shooting. No one can shoot, it's awesome.

Since no one can shoot, let's look at the other things a pg at Cuse should do:
-Penetrate, neither Joseph or Patterson seem to be able to do that.
-Set up other, both are meh at it.
-Ball skills, both are meh at it.
-Defense. Joseph is awful and Patterson is pretty good.

Defense is the differentiator and the reason id rather see Patterson out there. Joseph looks just as much like a combo guard as G and Patterson do, what exactly are people seeing in Joseph that says point guard? I see zero pg intangibles from him so far. We have 3 combo guards so play the 2 best ones. G and Patterson.

Patterson-Cooney-G-CMac-Rak is our best lineup.

Patterson also threw a nice lob to McC. If we're going to suck - I want more high-flying dunks!

 

[Brooky03]

Richardson will start at the 3. Roberson goes to the 4 even if he's a bit small. It's his natural position.

I see Gbinije starting at the 3 over Richardson. He obviously will know the defensive rotations much better and he's shown a pretty good ability to rebound for a guard. Malachi is really skinny and I don't know that he can play long stretches at SF. I think we will have lineups with him at the 3, but I wouldn't expect it often.

PG- Joseph
SG- Cooney
SF- Gbinije
PF- Roberson
C- Coleman

PG2- Howard
SG2- Richardson
SG3- Patterson
SF2- BJ
PF2- Diagne
C2- Bryant

 

[CuseHulk]

I see Gbinije starting at the 3 over Richardson. He obviously will know the defensive rotations much better and he's shown a pretty good ability to rebound for a guard. Malachi is really skinny and I don't know that he can play long stretches at SF. I think we will have lineups with him at the 3, but I wouldn't expect it often.

PG- Joseph
SG- Cooney
SF- Gbinije
PF- Roberson
C- Coleman

PG2- Howard
SG2- Richardson
SG3- Patterson
SF2- BJ
PF2- Diagne
C2- Bryant

No chance. Bryant and Richardson coming off the bench. No way !!!'

Hypothetically, and i hate looking towards next season 8 games into this season

C- Bryant
PF- Roberson
SF- Richardson
SG- Cooney
PG- Joseph
_______

I agree with Bees

and Diagne to start off, could be one of the better backup big men we have had come along in this scenario.

 

[Trueblue25]

BJ's been bad.

Cooneys been absolutely awful.

I'd rather BJ at the three and g move over to the 2.

 

[Trueblue25]

I think we have all learned over time that dad's are not the best judge of their kids' ability.

just stop

 

[dasher]

just stop

Thank God you aren't our coach. Other teams are at least worried about Cooney. No one, other than us, is worried about BJ.

 

[Trueblue25]

Thank God you aren't our coach. Other teams are at least worried about Cooney. No one, other than us, is worried about BJ.

Alright bud. That wasn't even what I was saying in that post.

And here's one for you.

Whats the difference between Cooney missing a lot of shots and BJ missing a lot of shots?

BJ rebounds, moves the ball and adds more to our offense. Period.

Cooney's not some brick wall defender either. BJ's got a lot of learning to do but Cooneys not exactly earning his PT.

BJ -
19.4/6.4/5.7/1.0/0.6/0.3/0.7

Cooney

34.3/9.9/2.3/2.3/1.4/0.0/1.1/.371

37% from the field. 37%. Two assists a game is pretty poor as well.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I'm not dumping on his dad. I'm just saying that too many dad's think their sons are better than they are. If you've ever coached at any level, you would know that. I'm sure his dad is a great guy and knows the game well. MOST parents have a hard time being objective when it comes to their kids. Down the road BJ may be pretty good, but he's not ready to play right now.

 

[dasher]

Alright bud. That wasn't even what I was saying in that post.

Where do I start with this nonsense? First, you have zero idea how much you know about basketball, let alone judge me or others. Second, Mr Johnson posted here. It is fair game to respond to him. My question was respectful and because I want to see both BJ and Syracuse have success. I said last year that bj should red shirt. Mr johnson has not followed the syracuse program for over 40 years as I have. I knew how much bj was going to play last year. Mr johnson didn't. If he did, I believe he would have encouraged a red shirt.

 

[two3zone]

Alright bud. That wasn't even what I was saying in that post. And here's one for you. Whats the difference between Cooney missing a lot of shots and BJ missing a lot of shots? BJ rebounds, moves the ball and adds more to our offense. Period. Cooney's not some brick wall defender either. BJ's got a lot of learning to do but Cooneys not exactly earning his PT. BJ - 19.4/6.4/5.7/1.0/0.6/0.3/0.7 Cooney 34.3/9.9/2.3/2.3/1.4/0.0/1.1/.371 37% from the field. 37%. Two assists a game is pretty poor as well.

So you're saying that a player who's been playing poorly (even though he was solid vs Michigan) should be sat for another player that's statistically playing poorer?

Listen, I get it what you guys are trying to say that are in the bash Cooney club but there are really no other alternatives than him, especially alternatives that had a 25+ game run that Cooney did last year. You can be a fluke for a few games, but not for 25. I'm willing to bank at some time this year Cooney is going to have some great moments this year, not because I'm a Cooney lover but because he has shown in the past that he is more than capable, something nobody else that is behind him on the depth chart can say.

 

[Trueblue25]

So you're saying that a player who's been playing poorly (even though he was solid vs Michigan) should be sat for another player that's statistically playing poorer?

Listen, I get it what you guys are trying to say that are in the bash Cooney club but there are really no other alternatives than him, especially alternatives that had a 25+ game run that Cooney did last year. You can be a fluke for a few games, but not for 25. I'm willing to bank at some time this year Cooney is going to have some great moments this year, not because I'm a Cooney lover but because he has shown in the past that he is more than capable, something nobody else that is behind him on the depth chart can say.

I'm not trying to bash cooney. He is what he is. He works hard and I'm sure he's a positive presence on and off the court. I'm just saying that I think BJ gives us a better chance to score/improve our offense.

I'd change my opinion if Cooney would use his athleticism and try to do anything other than just throw up threes, but he just doesn't consistently do that.

We're going to lose games, I'd rather see BJ struggle a little bit and grow than Cooney struggle 8 or 9 out of ever 10 games.

It's just my opinion as a poster. No need to express how happy you are I'm not the coach. I'm ecstatic I'm not the coach. My suits have nothing on JB's.

 

[two3zone]

I'm not trying to bash cooney. He is what he is. He works hard and I'm sure he's a positive presence on and off the court. I'm just saying that I think BJ gives us a better chance to score/improve our offense. I'd change my opinion if Cooney would use his athleticism and try to do anything other than just throw up threes, but he just doesn't consistently do that. We're going to lose games, I'd rather see BJ struggle a little bit and grow than Cooney struggle 8 or 9 out of ever 10 games. It's just my opinion as a poster. No need to express how happy you are I'm not the coach. I'm ecstatic I'm not the coach. My suits have nothing on JB's.

I didn't say anything about your ability to coach.

 

[Trueblue25]

I didn't say anything about your ability to coach.

I know, was referencing Dasher's post.

 

[Brooky03]

No chance. Bryant and Richardson coming off the bench. No way !!!'

Hypothetically, and i hate looking towards next season 8 games into this season

C- Bryant
PF- Roberson
SF- Richardson
SG- Cooney
PG- Joseph
_______

I agree with Bees

and Diagne to start off, could be one of the better backup big men we have had come along in this scenario.

I just don't see Richardson being a good fit in the back line of the zone. He better drop 16pts per game to justify the easy baskets he'll undoubtedly give up. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited as anybody for Malachi and the rest of the '15 class, but he's a SG through and through.

I could definitely see Bryant getting the bulk of the minutes at Center. I just see Coleman being the starter at the beginning of the season. That's how Jim B. rolls.

Diagne is my favorite player from the class. I think he's going to be a monster.

 

[RF2044]

This isn't going to be popular, and I'm high on Kaleb Joseph's potential, long term. But our BEST lineup right now would be:

G---Gbinije
G---Cooney
SF--Johnson or Roberson
PF--McCullough
C---Rak

Our offense isn't benefiting from the PG initiating the offense [right now, Joseph isn't doing much of that]. I'd prefer to see us find a way to develop either BJ, Roberson--or both--in order to help address some of the team's offensive woes. Given how anemic the offense seems to be, we need guys on the floor that can score.

And on that note, given how he played yesterday, Cooney didn't deserve to play 40 minutes. Especially when Roberson clocked ZERO.

 

[rrlbees]

Daigne would be the backup ?

If we get Bryant, Daigne will back up the 5 and 4.

 

[rrlbees]

This isn't going to be popular, and I'm high on Kaleb Joseph's potential, long term. But our BEST lineup right now would be: G---Gbinije G---Cooney SF--Johnson or Roberson PF--McCullough C---Rak Our offense isn't benefiting from the PG initiating the offense . I'd prefer to see us find a way to develop either BJ, Roberson--or both--in order to help address some of the team's offensive woes. Given how anemic the offense seems to be, we need guys on the floor that can score. And on that note, given how he played yesterday, Cooney didn't deserve to play 40 minutes. Especially when Roberson clocked ZERO.

I think roberson is still hurt or reinjured his strain. He wasn't out on the court during the early warm ups and came out late for the later warm ups. Also I know the point remains the same and I know what the boxscore says, but technically Cooney didn't play 40. He came out at around the 3:30 mark of the first half. Must have been out less than a minute for the boxscore to say 40.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

St. John's coach Steve Lavin said Red Storm defense vs. Syracuse was inspired by ninjas, Robin Hood (PS: Carlson)

Lavin said the Red Storm essentially worried about just three players on the Orange offense — Christmas, McCullough and Trevor Cooney.

There were moments in the game when Christmas had two or three players pinching down on him when he didn't have the ball, simply because Syracuse swung the ball to his side of the floor and looked for an entry pass. That effort that helped limit the Orange's most efficient offensive player to just eight shots.

Chris McCullough, as the clear No. 2 option for Syracuse, will get similar treatment the rest of the year.

And while Cooney hasn't lived up to his performance from last year, his reputation and his status as the best shooter of a bad bunch forced Lavin to defend him and provided Syracuse some floor spacing.

The Red Storm's effort on Cooney limited Syracuse's best 3-point shooter to just four attempts, while teammate Ron Patterson launched seven and Kaleb Joseph took five.

"Our basic gameplan was to tag Cooney over the course of the game," Lavin said. "Basically chase him off the 3-point line. Even in transition we want to run on top of him instead of alongside him or just try to get back. And when he comes off a screen we want to make sure we're a caboose. We want to be right on his hips and chasing him off that 3-point line. If he curls into the lane and doesn't get any catch-and-shoot opportunities that's better for our purposes. Chase him into the mid-range, chase him into our size. He's a game-changer if he starts tickling the twine, torching the nets."

 

[rrlbees]

St. John's coach Steve Lavin said Red Storm defense vs. Syracuse was inspired by ninjas, Robin Hood (PS: Carlson) Lavin said the Red Storm essentially worried about just three players on the Orange offense — Christmas, McCullough and Trevor Cooney. There were moments in the game when Christmas had two or three players pinching down on him when he didn't have the ball, simply because Syracuse swung the ball to his side of the floor and looked for an entry pass. That effort that helped limit the Orange's most efficient offensive player to just eight shots. Chris McCullough, as the clear No. 2 option for Syracuse, will get similar treatment the rest of the year. And while Cooney hasn't lived up to his performance from last year, his reputation and his status as the best shooter of a bad bunch forced Lavin to defend him and provided Syracuse some floor spacing. The Red Storm's effort on Cooney limited Syracuse's best 3-point shooter to just four attempts, while teammate Ron Patterson launched seven and Kaleb Joseph took five. "Our basic gameplan was to tag Cooney over the course of the game," Lavin said. "Basically chase him off the 3-point line. Even in transition we want to run on top of him instead of alongside him or just try to get back. And when he comes off a screen we want to make sure we're a caboose. We want to be right on his hips and chasing him off that 3-point line. If he curls into the lane and doesn't get any catch-and-shoot opportunities that's better for our purposes. Chase him into the mid-range, chase him into our size. He's a game-changer if he starts tickling the twine, torching the nets."

So what you are saying is that Lavin doesn't know what he's talking about because a few of our posters say that this is also BS. I described their defense in another post the same way.