Class of 2023 PF Jerry Deng (NY / GA) Portal to NC State

[OttoinGrotto]

Ok, so we still don’t have a single player projected to get minutes this year whose primary position is SF. Yes, Kingz will play there as will others, but they are either shooting guards or power forwards. Is there anyone else they are targeting at this point similar to deng?

Supposedly we were in touch with a small forward from Tarleton (sounds like a nerd school) and at one time someone mentioned Straughn was following a JUCO kid that was 6 foot 7 but he may have been a guard.

 

[Sherman20]

per my sources we are pretty much out of Deng. Agent asked for more than we were comfortable with.

I thought we have a mess of NIL this season to get players who are asking for a lot. Let’s use it, even if we have to overpay. …No excuses unless they think they can find an equivalent player overseas or elsewhere in the portal.

 

[dasher]

I thought we have a mess of NIL this season to get players who are asking for a lot. Let’s use it, even if we have to overpay. …No excuses unless they think they can find an equivalent player overseas or elsewhere in the portal.

You really shouldn't do business that way. It will come back to haunt you. Set a value for what someone is worth. Losing out on someone is not the end of the world.

 

[grepal]

You really shouldn't do business that way. It will come back to haunt you. Set a value for what someone is worth. Losing out on someone is not the end of the world.

First rule if ANY negotiation is be ready to walk away.

 

[tptcuse]

I thought we have a mess of NIL this season to get players who are asking for a lot. Let’s use it, even if we have to overpay. …No excuses unless they think they can find an equivalent player overseas or elsewhere in the portal.

Even if we have the money, you can't give him more than current players who are projected to play more.

 

[tptcuse]

1987

Sneaky good post.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Even if we have the money, you can't give him more than current players who are projected to play more.

Didn’t Donnie sign (last year) for much less than he could have received?
Do we really have to manage ego$ that way, too, now? Expected minutes shouldn’t dictate player value. If there is a need, and you have to pay a player ‘too much,’ but that player is the difference between a bubble team vs a league leading contender, don’t you have to do it? And the other guys just have to deal: 1) a better overall team is good for You; 2) if You chose to sign before values and needs and availabilities and the markets were all set, that’s not what determines anyone else’s money; 4) no one knows what the minutes will be—competition happens in practice, performance is determined with game results, and injuries happen; 5) yes, it seems like a ‘stance’ to say we set a value and we’re not going to overpay, but the concept of an overpay is dynamic. Whatever you think it is today might be standard tomorrow or next year. When a team is as desperate to bump its performance as we are, don’t you kinda have to do something extraordinary/go above and beyond?

Lastly, unfortunately, we are still operating at a deficit in the coaching department and it’s going to require a ‘talent overage’ to compensate.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Didn’t Donnie sign (last year) for much less than he could have received?
Do we really have to manage ego$ that way, too, now? Expected minutes shouldn’t dictate player value. If there is a need, and you have to pay a player ‘too much,’ but that player is the difference between a bubble team vs a league leading contender, don’t you have to do it? And the other guys just have to deal: 1) a better overall team is good for You; 2) if You chose to sign before values and needs and availabilities and the markets were all set, that’s not what determines anyone else’s money; 4) no one knows what the minutes will be—competition happens in practice, performance is determined with game results, and injuries happen; 5) yes, it seems like a ‘stance’ to say we set a value and we’re not going to overpay, but the concept of an overpay is dynamic. Whatever you think it is today might be standard tomorrow or next year. When a team is as desperate to bump its performance as we are, don’t you kinda have to do something extraordinary/go above and beyond?

Lastly, unfortunately, we are still operating at a deficit in the coaching department and it’s going to require a ‘talent overage’ to compensate.

If you overpay you open up the possibility of renegotiating with others who think they are more valuable. You see it in the NFL all the time with holdouts. If Deng asks for money similar to JJ or Donnie then you open up the possibility of having to renegotiate with them as well.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Find out who this agent is and kick him in the coconuts. He’s not doing Deng any favors.

 

[orangefog]

Find out who this agent is and kick him in the coconuts. He’s not doing Deng any favors.

Drive his nuts into his brains!!!

 

[Zelda Zonk]

If you overpay you open up the possibility of renegotiating with others who think they are more valuable. You see it in the NFL all the time with holdouts. If Deng asks for money similar to JJ or Donnie then you open up the possibility of having to renegotiate with them as well.

I generally don’t get into the weeds with pro contracts, but I’m not seeing this as a parallel. NFL players hold out going into the last years of their deals. To force negotiations for extensions or new deals. They may try to get paid commensurate to performance, to reach market value. I don’t recall anyone doing it out of jealousy of a teammate. Any pro team will have rookies and younger players playing under lower-paying contracts and veterans on higher-paying deals, and none of that is related to minutes. I don’t recall any college kids holding out because a teammate was being paid more for fewer minutes. The couple of football players who ‘held out’ or quit their teams did so because they didn’t get what was promised. As I said, I this aspect of the sport is a turn off for me so I may have missed some stuff. Let me know if I’m wrong.

The bit about Donnie maybe wanting to renegotiate… seems odd. Again, I thought he was satisfied with less last year and I thought he/his family said it wasn’t about the money—so why would that ethos change now? And then there’s the practical aspect of no one knowing what the minutes distribution will be until they’re well into the season. They’re going to want to renegotiate in February? Was there bad blood on the team this year after Lampkin forced a bump in the previously negotiated number?

I thought, also, there is a credo in sports where a player doesn’t get involved in another player’s finances. I heard this years ago from someone else, but there’s a quote from Steph Curry, “One thing my pops always told me is you never count another man's money.”

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Drive his nuts into his brains!!!

That reminds me of the Eddie Murphy impression of Mike Tyson: “Outside the ring I’m a nice guy. But in the ring basically what I'm trying to do is punch the bone into the brain and kill the person.”

 

[RedtheGOB]

Is there a reason why people can’t say how much he was asking for?

Ever seen Price is Right when the other person outbids the next person by 1 penny. I'm not saying this place is throwing around facts that people will base life decisions on or other teams are cruising but just in case let's not make it easy for some other school to get him for a $ more than us.

 

[RedtheGOB]

First rule if ANY negotiation is be ready to walk away.

Haha nice. Wish my parents would've known this when we went to car dealerships growing up.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Didn’t Donnie sign (last year) for much less than he could have received?
Do we really have to manage ego$ that way, too, now? Expected minutes shouldn’t dictate player value. If there is a need, and you have to pay a player ‘too much,’ but that player is the difference between a bubble team vs a league leading contender, don’t you have to do it? And the other guys just have to deal: 1) a better overall team is good for You; 2) if You chose to sign before values and needs and availabilities and the markets were all set, that’s not what determines anyone else’s money; 4) no one knows what the minutes will be—competition happens in practice, performance is determined with game results, and injuries happen; 5) yes, it seems like a ‘stance’ to say we set a value and we’re not going to overpay, but the concept of an overpay is dynamic. Whatever you think it is today might be standard tomorrow or next year. When a team is as desperate to bump its performance as we are, don’t you kinda have to do something extraordinary/go above and beyond?

Lastly, unfortunately, we are still operating at a deficit in the coaching department and it’s going to require a ‘talent overage’ to compensate.

Also as many have said. We know what we think he's worth. If his agent threw out a big # and we said no why didn't the next school or the next pick him up right away. Yea Autry/Kline called their bluff and said good luck with that #, but did anyone scoop the next day. Don't think so.

It's been what a week or two since he visited. What's the hold up? Who knows maybe he will get what he asked but doesn't seem like it was something we had no other choice on.

Coaching will be suspect until we win games but I give credit to our staff for doing things the right order this year not assbackwards again.

1. Retain Talent
2. Clean House
3. Point Guard
4. Build Depth. Despite what people think there's time to build depth

 

[orangemass]

Drive his nuts into his brains!!!

Teeth rattler

 

[Niastri]

You really shouldn't do business that way. It will come back to haunt you. Set a value for what someone is worth. Losing out on someone is not the end of the world.

In theory that sounds good, but in a market as fluid as the current NIL market, you can’t predict what the market will bear… If you think a player is the right guy for your team, but you’re going to get beat out by an offer you could have raised?

I think that’s penny wise and pound foolish.

Winning as many championships as we can before we die is the goal.

Not having the most efficient roster dollar for dollar.

 

[Sherman20]

You really shouldn't do business that way. It will come back to haunt you. Set a value for what someone is worth. Losing out on someone is not the end of the world.

Players still have til Tuesday to enter the portal, so hopefully more options will emerge if we can’t land Deng for our preferred price. Fingers crossed.

 

[dasher]

In theory that sounds good, but in a market as fluid as the current NIL market, you can’t predict what the market will bear… If you think a player is the right guy for your team, but you’re going to get beat out by an offer you could have raised?

I think that’s penny wise and pound foolish.

Winning as many championships as we can before we die is the goal.

Not having the most efficient roster dollar for dollar.

What you are missing is that every single move you make is bound to have an effect on every other move you have made and will have to make going down the line. Once you pay more for a kid that won't even start, you don't think the other players on your team that you have already paid won't see this as an insult to them and want to be given more. And you will be forced to say no (because you don't have the resources) and you are going to lose a lot more than the game you just said no to.

 

[Orangefizz]

What you are missing is that every single move you make is bound to have an effect on every other move you have made and will have to make going down the line. Once you pay more for a kid that won't even start, you don't think the other players on your team that you have already paid won't see this as an insult to them and want to be given more. And you will be forced to say no (because you don't have the resources) and you are going to lose a lot more than the game you just said no to.

I can see the problems that would cause internally. I’m guessing the minimum starting salary at Syracuse is Will Kyle/Nate Kingz at $600-$800K. Are you saying Deng is asking for more than that?

 

[dasher]

I can see the problems that would cause internally. I’m guessing the minimum starting salary at Syracuse is Will Kyle/Nate Kingz at $600-$800K. Are you saying Deng is asking for more than that?

I'm not. I don't know what he wants. All I am saying that if we walked away from Deng, and I don't know that we did or didn't, because he wants what we think is too much money, we are doing the right thing. What if he wants more money than Freeman is getting? Just give it to him?

 

[CardiacCuse]

What you are missing is that every single move you make is bound to have an effect on every other move you have made and will have to make going down the line. Once you pay more for a kid that won't even start, you don't think the other players on your team that you have already paid won't see this as an insult to them and want to be given more. And you will be forced to say no (because you don't have the resources) and you are going to lose a lot more than the game you just said no to.

thats a good point...

but I also think this season is kinda make or break on many fronts...I dont think this is the typical year in the program coming off the worst record in my lifetime and many decades. with the coach on the hot seat. and the son of the greatest legacy player in program history coming...

i get what youre saying but I think it is "all-in" time

i also think we probably have a big boost in NIL with Carmelo heavily involved this year...that may allow for higher spending...so lets spend..we saw waht happened last year when we missed on first and second choices and had to settle for less. it didnt work out well.

if this year bombs...this will drop the program even lower than we've ever seen, imo...its do or die

i feel like the stars are alinged this year to get the prgram back to where it should be and we dont know when that will come again if we dont capitalize this year, basically...

furthermore, life isnt fair...idgaf if the payments to every player are perfectly logical...etc...it often happens in pro sports that players on miinumum salaries have gigantic stats...the intention is obviously there to pay people accordingly...but the players should just honestly want the best team they can and not get mad if their teammate is getting a couple extra bucks, imo...are they really that sensitive?

 

[RedtheGOB]

I’ll say again. If he’s worth this bag he’s asking for then why hasn’t he signed anywhere yet? Maybe I’ll eat my words soon but I have to assume that maybe the market isn’t as hot for him as he thought. Especially since it’s been 2 weeks since he visited.

 

[Orangefizz]

I'm not. I don't know what he wants. All I am saying that if we walked away from Deng, and I don't know that we did or didn't, because he wants what we think is too much money, we are doing the right thing. What if he wants more money than Freeman is getting? Just give it to him?

I agree with you. We should not give into these types of demands. We need to have our analysis to determine what a player is worth and stick to it. If we lose that player then so be it.

I’d value Deng at just below what the minimum starters are getting so in the $400-$500k range

 

[cusefan88]

I’ll say again. If he’s worth this bag he’s asking for then why hasn’t he signed anywhere yet? Maybe I’ll eat my words soon but I have to assume that maybe the market isn’t as hot for him as he thought. Especially since it’s been 2 weeks since he visited.

Sometimes it's musical chairs and it's best to take the best combo fast instead of waiting around.