Class of 2023 PF Jerry Deng (NY / GA) Portal to NC State

[CuseSaint26]

where do you see 6'10" ?? He's listed as 6'8".

 

[rrlbees]

Not sure that’s the case. UVA was listed and they stated before that article came out they had around 9 million to spend total.

dont know how accurate or inaccurate their numbers are but i only remember them mentioning NIL and didnt see any mention of the house mandated money. doesnt really matter anyways.

 

[Cusefan0307]

dont know how accurate or inaccurate their numbers are but i only remember them mentioning NIL and didnt see any mention of the house mandated money. doesnt really matter anyways.

This is where I originally read it.

College basketball 2025 coaching changes: North Florida's Matthew Driscoll takes assistant job at Kansas State

Matt Norlander has information on all 56 Division I men's basketball coaching changes for the 2025 cycle

www.cbssports.com

Only posting this so people can’t double down and say we are still poor.

 

[rrlbees]

This is where I originally read it.

College basketball 2025 coaching changes: North Florida's Matthew Driscoll takes assistant job at Kansas State

Matt Norlander has information on all 56 Division I men's basketball coaching changes for the 2025 cycle

www.cbssports.com

Only posting this so people can’t double down and say we are still poor.

yea i was specifically talking about the cbs article about the schools with more than $10m nil.

 

[Cusefan0307]

yea i was specifically talking about the cbs article about the schools with more than $10m nil.

So am I. It's rev share too if you read what they wrote about UVA last month.

 

[OHIORANGES]

He shows a lot of potential and having a 6’10” wing coming off the bench that can defend, rebound and has a developing offensive game seems like a great piece. He is also the reigning WAC freshman of the year but played at 6’7”-6’8”. I do think the step up in completion could be tough but I do think his game translates.

If we don’t get Deng, getting Bristow is a good addition.

Seems like it’s time to move on from Deng

 

[721Comstock]

Seems like it’s time to move on from Deng

yEaH!!! sENd a MEssAgE!!!!

 

[Jake]

I'm not. I don't know what he wants. All I am saying that if we walked away from Deng, and I don't know that we did or didn't, because he wants what we think is too much money, we are doing the right thing. What if he wants more money than Freeman is getting? Just give it to him?

Fran is making these kinds of decisions and he “gets it”. Red makes the same decisions and “he’s out of touch”.

They both have the same relative philosophy, just different budgets.

Red’s portal decisions last year were not good. This year Kline has helped and the budget is bigger. I’m giving the hoops guys some leeway.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Seems like it’s time to move on from Deng

Deng it! This thread has been so much fun though.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If your numbers are close to accurate I would rather take the $ 7 - 800K that is available and get a legit center who could compete with Kyle for minutes.

That guy who was on our radar earlier at center, the local kid, has an NIL estimate of $1.2M on that website.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I believe the CBS article was referencing NIL only. The numbers you reference and replies to is NIL combined with the house mandated money.

Yes, I think that's right. You know a lot more about this stuff than me. I just share what I read online. You guys on the inside know what's real.

 

[djcon57]

I'm fine if we want to pass on Deng, but don't post next year that "well, we thought we would have had Deng" if making excuses like people did with Leffew last year.

 

[rrlbees]

So am I. It's rev share too if you read what they wrote about UVA last month.

I guess it’s a matter of interpretation. I just glanced thru the 10 million dollar club article and the whole thing was about nil and donors. Either poorly written or they’re confused.

 

[djcon57]

I’m giving the hoops guys some leeway.

You spent all season rightfully saying how bad they whiffed on portal evaluations after glazing the Carlos and Davis pickups as bargain price wins preseason

Now it was just they didn't have enough money and Kline makes the difference?

The hoops guys will need to prove it before I give them any benefit of the doubt. But as I said above, Deng isnt a deal breaker to me, just don't use it as an excuse.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I guess it’s a matter of interpretation. I just glanced thru the 10 million dollar club article and the whole thing was about nil and donors. Either poorly written or they’re confused.

Could be. The articles contradict each other.

 

[Jake]

You spent all season rightfully saying how bad they whiffed on portal evaluations after glazing the Carlos and Davis pickups as bargain price wins preseason

Now it was just they didn't have enough money and Kline makes the difference?

The hoops guys will need to prove it before I give them any benefit of the doubt. But as I said above, Deng isnt a deal breaker to me, just don't use it as an excuse.

Quick question. are you on board with this year’s acquisitions so far? Better than last year?

 

[djcon57]

Quick question. are you on board with this year’s acquisitions so far? Better than last year?

Ultimately better, yes. If we can't get better talent than last year's 14-19 team, that would be a problem.

My goal (and everyone's this year) should be getting into the tourney. Not a top 4 seed...just making the tourney...

So with that goal in mind...
Loved keeping Freeman. Loved George.
JJ is what he is, hopefully improves with better talent around him.
Kingz can shoot and you need a shooter in 2005 College Basketball.
Freshman are freshman, whatever we get from them will be good.

Center is a MAJOR question mark whether people here want to admit it or not. The Ga Tech kid isn't a tourney team level rotation player, imo, so basically you have to hope UCLA kid can return from injury and perform at a level he's never done before. I'm on board with prioritizing PG over Center though, so is what it is, but with the reality of the situation in mind, you are going to need to get another proven college level scorer/defender, which I believe Deng is.

If the money doesn't work, fine, then we need someone else at that level.

If we don't, tourney hopes will come down to if the freshman can play at a high enough level, which doesn't feel like a great bet in the current era.

 

[baggerbob]

Quick question. are you on board with this year’s acquisitions so far? Better than last year?

You have players coming in who at least are athletic enough to press, and run a fast break. It's up to the staff to get them to play as a team. Having a true point guard should help offense.
Part of JB'S problem the last 9 or 10 years was trying to have combo guards run his offense.
That led to too much iso offense, and end of clock bad forced shots.

 

[Niastri]

I think it’s an unforced error to prioritize Deng, decide a few dollars we can afford is the difference between hiring him or letting him go… Then, instead of filling the 6th man spot with a proven scorer from the ACC, they get a scrawny freshman from the WAC instead, who will likely never play for Syracuse, for additional savings.

What are they saving money for? Red won’t be here next season if anything goes wrong. I’m sure the next coach will appreciate the extra NIL money…

 

[CuseSaint26]

BREAKING NEWS: Dan Englestad just followed Jerry Deng on Instagram

(Sort of joking about the Breaking News but this follow is new as of the last couple hours)

I’d expect a Jerry Deng commit any time today or tomorrow

As of today, this is no longer true…

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

As of today, this is no longer true…

I know UNLV is really involved here.

 

[CuseSaint26]

I know UNLV is really involved here.

It feels like we have moved on…I have mixed feelings on that but I do trust the staff to complete the roster

 

[Orangezoo]

I think it’s an unforced error to prioritize Deng, decide a few dollars we can afford is the difference between hiring him or letting him go… Then, instead of filling the 6th man spot with a proven scorer from the ACC, they get a scrawny freshman from the WAC instead, who will likely never play for Syracuse, for additional savings.

What are they saving money for? Red won’t be here next season if anything goes wrong. I’m sure the next coach will appreciate the extra NIL money…

I’d argue there is already competition for who gets to be in the 6-8 spots and a kid like the Tarleton State kid is also a solid option to pursue. Deng seemed like a great fit and option 1 for the last true impact transfer but Its at least comforting that is where we are at right now vs trying to find the last starting spot.

Whoever we add as long as they are in the caliber of player Deng /Tarleton kid then that’s a good thing.

 

[Sherman20]

I think it’s an unforced error to prioritize Deng, decide a few dollars we can afford is the difference between hiring him or letting him go… Then, instead of filling the 6th man spot with a proven scorer from the ACC, they get a scrawny freshman from the WAC instead, who will likely never play for Syracuse, for additional savings.

What are they saving money for? Red won’t be here next season if anything goes wrong. I’m sure the next coach will appreciate the extra NIL money…

I agree, but I also understand that we can’t give Deng $1 million or more, hypothetically, if we’re only giving JJ and Kingz like $1 million or less, hypothetically. I just don’t know if the numbers add up. It seems like we should have a good amount of money leftover.

Posit that we have $10 million total for the roster between NIL and direct spending from the university (from the House settlement). That seems like what many knowledgeable people on here have been saying. These are some of the player costs I’ve seen thrown around here and online. Do people think they’re accurate?
Nait George = $2 million
Donnie = $1.5 million
JJ, Kingz and Kyle = $750K each? = $2.25 million
Souraye = $250K
Four Freshman = $1.5 million total? (Probably too high)
That’s like $7.5 million.

So shouldn’t we have like $2-2.5 million left? That’s a lot of dough. Shouldn’t we be able to pay for Deng or another stretch 4 and another center?

 

[CardiacCuse]

I agree, but I also understand that we can’t give Deng $1 million or more, hypothetically, if we’re only giving JJ and Kingz like $1 million or less, hypothetically. I just don’t know if the numbers add up.

Posit that we have $10 million total for the roster between NIL and direct spending from the university (from the House settlement). That seems like what many knowledgeable people on here have been saying. These are some of the player costs I’ve seen thrown around here and online. Do people think they’re accurate?
Nait George = $2 million
Donnie = $1.5 million
JJ, Kingz and Kyle = $750K each? = $2.25 million
Souraye = $250K
Four Freshman = $1.5 million total? (Probably too high)
That’s like $7.5 million.

So shouldn’t we have like $2-2.5 million left? That’s a lot of dough. Shouldn’t we be able to pay for Deng and another center?

theres really no way to evaluate the cap management econ of this era, is there?

its all shrouded in mystery

but, for me, looking at the roster...theres like 6 forwards and 6 guards...i see zero reason why we couldnt have 5 guards and 5 forwards ...and get an actual center as well...(if money is the issue with not grabbing another center)


the general narrative seems to be prioritizng PG and therefore not getting a center...but i find that weird. with 12 players on the roster...seems more than enough room for both center and PG