Potential JB successors

[Manleymen]

I respect your thought out support for Gerry. How many times has JB paid attention to his assistant coaches during games? Zero. You look at a great deal of other coaches and the first thing they do during a time out is huddle with the assistance for a few seconds seeking pros and cons of the next moves. JB simply does not do this or does not respect his assistants. Therefore, as mush "experience: Gerry has - he has no experience making the split second decisions that mean the difference between victory and defeat. Not his fault. In many, man instances - the best players don't make the best coaches. The future of the program remains solidly with recruiting. SU needs to go all in with getting some of the finest recruits in the world. So many great young recruits. It is the only way to get to the top tier in the US and the country. I want my top 10-20 rankings back. When is the last time that happened.....

 

[Alsacs]

I respect your thought out support for Gerry. How many times has JB paid attention to his assistant coaches during games? Zero. You look at a great deal of other coaches and the first thing they do during a time out is huddle with the assistance for a few seconds seeking pros and cons of the next moves. JB simply does not do this or does not respect his assistants. Therefore, as mush "experience: Gerry has - he has no experience making the split second decisions that mean the difference between victory and defeat. Not his fault. In many, man instances - the best players don't make the best coaches. The future of the program remains solidly with recruiting. SU needs to go all in with getting some of the finest recruits in the world. So many great young recruits. It is the only way to get to the top tier in the US and the country. I want my top 10-20 rankings back. When is the last time that happened...

Gerry isn’t going to be the next HC.
JB wanted to make him HCIW when Hop left and Wildhack said no.

If its a current assistant it would be Red Autry.
That said RF has outlined it perfectly why it won’t be internal.

 

[kcsu]

This is why Gerry is going to be out next Head Coach. He would be a very easy choice and probably the most popular new coach of anyone. His basketball knowledge is unchallenged, IMO, guaranteed by his career at SU and sitting next to our current head coach for 11 years. He's learned a lot more from working for and with JB, a coach with almost 1,100 wins.

The pleasant surprise with GMac for me when he arrived was his ability to solidly play the point guard position and his fingerprints are all over the Syracuse record book, as he set the SU career marks for free throw percentage, three point shots made and minutes played. He finished as the fourth all-time leading scorer, third in assists, and second in steals. Most importantly he left behind a legacy of thrilling Syracuse fans for four seasons.

He is one of the most popular players in Syracuse history, he was named to the Big East third team his sophomore year, and the Big East first team his junior and senior years. If he is chosen to lead the program I guarantee there will be, as it was when he was playing, busloads of fans driving up to the Carrier Dome to see 'The Mayor of Scranton' play each home game.

Popularity doesn't get you wins but he has so much experience in so many game situations and knows how each position is supposed to be played that I believe he would the next great coach at SU. The people who want someone like Pitino or another coach like Oaks may be all over me here but this is MY choice and I'll live with the disagreements.

I think he is going to kill it. He will be a better head coach than assistant.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Ages and a little more background:

John Beilein Grew up in Lockport. Wheeling (WV) grad. 69
Brad Underwood Grew up in Kansas. Kansas State grad (Hartman). 58
Fran McCaffrey Philly guy, went to UPenn. 62
Dana Altman Grew up in Kansas. Eastern NM grad. 63
Shaka Smart Wisconsin native. Kenyon College grad. 44
Anthony Grant Grew up in Miami Dayton grad. 55
Ed Cooley Grew up in Providence. Stonehill grad. 52
Kevin Willard Born on LI but grew up in Kentucky (HS). 46
Greg McDermott Grew up in Iowa. Northern Iowa grad. 57
Mike Boynton Born & grew up in Brooklyn. South Carolina grad. 40
Travis Steele Grew up in Indiana. Butler grad. 40
Wes Miller Grew up in NC. UNC grad. 39
Steve Pikiell Grew up in Bristol, Connecticut. UConn grad. 54
Ryan Odom Grew up in NC. Hampden-Sydney grad (son of Dave Odom). 47
Mark Pope Born in Nebraska but HS in Bellevue, WA. UW/Kentucky grad 49
Porter Moser Grew up in Illinois, Creighton grad. 53
Johnny Dawkins Grew up in DC (LoMo's alma mater) . Duke Grad. 58
Tommy Amaker Grew up Northern VA. Duke grad. 56
Bobby Hurley Grew up in Jersey City, NJ. Duke grad. 50
Frank Martin Grew up in Miami. FIU grad. 55

Some thoughts:

Not many on your list with a background from the Northeast. A lot of coaches from the Midwest.

You had a bunch of Dukies but didn't include Greg Paulus, who is probably the best fit of the bunch.

I wouldn't want to hire someone more than 50 unless there were some strong extenuating circumstances. All things being equal I would prefer a coach known for an exciting playing style and a high scoring offense. I think they is what the fan base craves and would draw the biggest crowds/drive the most excitement.

I don't think JW is going after anyone on your list. I think he targets someone like Billy Donovan. A relatively big name with some ties to the East and the right type of personality to restore excitement to Syracuse basketball. I continue to think John is going to land a big name. I bet he at least tries really hard to make this happen.

That's a very hopeful post! I certainly hope so!

 

[Dinkyspond]

I wonder if Matt Lengel at Colgate will be in the mix. Knows how to win and recruit players to central NY. Can he duplicate that mid-major success to a P5?

 

[hoopsupstate]

I wonder if Matt Lengel at Colgate will be in the mix. Knows how to win and recruit players to central NY. Can he duplicate that mid-major success to a P5?

It’s a whole different world recruiting in the ACC vs. the Patriot League. His coaching is fine, but I question his ability to recruit.

 

[Dinkyspond]

It’s a whole different world recruiting in the ACC vs. the Patriot League. His coaching is fine, but I question his ability to recruit.

I believe if you can recruit at a certain level that can translate to recruiting the next level of player needed at a P5. I am looking at the success Wake and VT is having with former mid-major coaches moving to a P5. Although a red flag is Steve Donahue going from Cornell to BC. That was a failure of the highest level. His Ivy success never transferred to the ACC but BC is a tough place for anybody to win.

 

[pfister1]

I believe if you can recruit at a certain level that can translate to recruiting the next level of player needed at a P5. I am looking at the success Wake and VT is having with former mid-major coaches moving to a P5. Although a red flag is Steve Donahue going from Cornell to BC. That was a failure of the highest level. His Ivy success never transferred to the ACC but BC is a tough place for anybody to win.

I’m not sure success recruiting to Colgate would have any bearing on success recruiting to SU. The players and programs that the two schools would reasonably target and expect (and need) to succeed at getting to be successful given their respective opponents are completely different.

 

[MadNY3]

I’m not sure success recruiting to Colgate would have any bearing on success recruiting to SU. The players and programs that the two schools would reasonably target and expect and need to succeed at getting to be successful given their respective opponents are completely different.

But the ability to develop a strategy to win where you are with what you have is a focal point.

That’s why I look over the shoulder to see how Niagara is doing.

 

[pfister1]

But the ability to develop a strategy to win where you are with what you have is a focal point.

That’s why I look over the shoulder to see how Niagara is doing.

We can all develop a strategy to win. Whether it would be a successful strategy is one issue. Whether we could successfully execute the strategy is a whole different level issue altogether.

 

[RF2044]

New name I would LOVE to see Wildhack consider -- the coach at Bellarmine, Scott Davenport.

What a track record. Despite the age, THIS is the type of coaches we should be targeting -- proven winner.

Compared to this type of resume, Red / GMac don't even rate.

 

[KaiserUEO]

New name I would LOVE to see Wildhack consider -- the coach at Bellarmine, Scott Davenport.

What a track record. Despite the age, THIS is the type of coaches we should be targeting -- proven winner.

Compared to this type of resume, Red / GMac don't even rate.

A glorified old HS coach???

What are you fluckin nuts??!!!

This program gets 35k and carries ESPN 2x a week!!!

It’s not even a hard pass…it’s a dont even look there.

 

[RF2044]

A glorified old HS coach???

What are you fluckin nuts??!!!

This program gets 35k and carries ESPN 2x a week!!!

It’s not even a hard pass…it’s a dont even look there.

Are you out of your ****** mind? This is a guy who has won D2 national championshp,, routinely wins 27 plus games per year, won his conference tournament with the team only being this in the second year of division 1. His offensive system is outstanding, and his players all know how to play the game the right way.

Get better informed.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Are you out of your ****** mind? This is a guy who has won D2 national championshp,, won his conference tournament with the team only being this in the second year of division 1.

Get better informed

Ok.

Then a hard pass.

 

[RF2044]

Ok.

Then a hard pass.

That's why I'm glad we have an AD who will do due diligence, as opposed to fans who don't know what the *** they're talking about. All due respect.

 

[tbonezone]

boeheim was the golf coach with zero wins and bernie was equipment manager.

 

[Bayside44]

That's why I'm glad we have an AD who will do due diligence, as opposed to fans who don't know what the *** they're talking about. All due respect.

You honestly think he's going to entertain a 65 year old guy who's never left Kentucky?

When you said age I assumed he was a 30 year old up and comer type.

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

If Hop turns things around at Washington, he’s candidate number one. Here’s the scenarios I have in my head by likelihood:

• Hop is successful at Washington, is hired as Cuse HC. Gerry as AHC, Red takes a low-level HC job and takes Griff with him.
• Hop is fired at Washington. Gerry is hired as Cuse HC with Hop AHC, Red takes a low-level HC job and takes Griff with him.
• Hop is successful at Washington or gets fired and there isn’t mutual interest in the Cuse HC position. JW does a true national search, gets a home run hire out of nowhere. One of the assistants stays on, everyone else leaves.
• Hop is successful at Washington or gets fired and there isn’t mutual interest in the Cuse HC position. Red gets Cuse HC job, Gerry AHC and Griff gets a nice pay bump.
• Hop is fired at Washington. Jason Hart hired as Cuse HC with Hop as AHC. Gerry stays on. Red and Griff leave.
• Hop is successful at Washington and is hired as Cuse HC. Red as AHC, Gerry and Griff stay as is.

 

[RF2044]

You honestly think he's going to entertain a 65 year old guy who's never left Kentucky?

When you said age I assumed he was a 30 year old up and comer type.

I want to go to nose what he's doing, and has a proven track record of success. I don't know whether this guy would be interested or not, I'm just pointing him out as an example of the type of coaches we should be targeting.

How old was larenaga when Miami pulled him from George Mason?

Let's get the program back on track and then worry about 10 years from now as a secondary consideration.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

If Red or GMac had any proven success at recruiting high major talent, I’d be happy to support them as next head coach. But they’ve both failed in recruiting over the past decade. So they aren’t proven recruiters and they have no head coaching experience. That’s why I feel they are second tier candidates for replacing JB.

But I do say this with the full expectation that one of them actually will be JB’s replacement. Syracuse is school that really hates change and I’m positive the idea of starting fresh by hiring an outside coach scares the crap out of many at SU. They will want to stick close to “Syracuse basketball identity” which means JB’s system. I fear this will ultimately end up as an extremely bad decision, and the program will suffer for 5 or 6 additional years until real change is made.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

If Hop turns things around at Washington, he’s candidate number one. Here’s the scenarios I have in my head by likelihood:

• Hop is successful at Washington, is hired as Cuse HC. Gerry as AHC, Red takes a low-level HC job and takes Griff with him.
• Hop is fired at Washington. Gerry is hired as Cuse HC with Hop AHC, Red takes a low-level HC job and takes Griff with him.
• Hop is successful at Washington or gets fired and there isn’t mutual interest in the Cuse HC position. JW does a true national search, gets a home run hire out of nowhere. One of the assistants stays on, everyone else leaves.
• Hop is successful at Washington or gets fired and there isn’t mutual interest in the Cuse HC position. Red gets Cuse HC job, Gerry AHC and Griff gets a nice pay bump.
• Hop is fired at Washington. Jason Hart hired as Cuse HC with Hop as AHC. Gerry stays on. Red and Griff leave.
• Hop is successful at Washington and is hired as Cuse HC. Red as AHC, Gerry and Griff stay as is.

How about a the scenarios that don’t involve Hop? I mean, it’s completely realistic to not consider Hop.

 

[Bayside44]

I want to go to nose what he's doing, and has a proven track record of success. I don't know whether this guy would be interested or not, I'm just pointing him out as an example of the type of coaches we should be targeting.

How old was larenaga when Miami pulled him from George Mason?

Let's get the program back on track and then worry about 10 years down the road later.

Larranega went to a FF, and seemingly is more a man of the world in coaching and recruiting. He also took over a blank canvas (at age 61) with much lower expectations.

 

[RF2044]

Larranega went to a FF, and seemingly is more a man of the world in coaching and recruiting. He also took over a blank canvas (at age 61) with much lower expectations.

And this guy has had a tremendous amount of success at the D2 level, and has not only successfully transitioned his program to D1 but in year two just had an upset win to claim the conference tournament championship.

And he's not the only candidate like this out there. People just aren't familiar with candidates from lower levels.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If Hop turns things around at Washington, he’s candidate number one. Here’s the scenarios I have in my head by likelihood:

• Hop is successful at Washington, is hired as Cuse HC. Gerry as AHC, Red takes a low-level HC job and takes Griff with him.
• Hop is fired at Washington. Gerry is hired as Cuse HC with Hop AHC, Red takes a low-level HC job and takes Griff with him.
• Hop is successful at Washington or gets fired and there isn’t mutual interest in the Cuse HC position. JW does a true national search, gets a home run hire out of nowhere. One of the assistants stays on, everyone else leaves.
• Hop is successful at Washington or gets fired and there isn’t mutual interest in the Cuse HC position. Red gets Cuse HC job, Gerry AHC and Griff gets a nice pay bump.
• Hop is fired at Washington. Jason Hart hired as Cuse HC with Hop as AHC. Gerry stays on. Red and Griff leave.
• Hop is successful at Washington and is hired as Cuse HC. Red as AHC, Gerry and Griff stay as is.

Of those "internals" I think Hart/Hop is the best. Followed by Red/Hop and GMac/Hop. Red, GMac, Griff do not offer enough to stay on as assistants. There is no reason to keep them as such.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I want to go to nose what he's doing, and has a proven track record of success. I don't know whether this guy would be interested or not, I'm just pointing him out as an example of the type of coaches we should be targeting.

How old was larenaga when Miami pulled him from George Mason?

Let's get the program back on track and then worry about 10 years from now as a secondary consideration.

We need to shoot higher and we need recruiting. He has a clear ceiling that a program like SU should never touch.