Class of 2019 QB Garrett Shrader (NC) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (12/19/20)

[Orangezoo]

Interesting to see posters line up to support their chosen guy throughout this thread.

My philosophy is: may the best player win. If Tommy gets pushed [similar to how Dungey was pushed in 2018] and it causes him to elevate his game, that's good for the program. And if new guy Shrader beats him out because Tommy doesn't show improvement over his current level of play, that's good for the program. And overarching all of that, it is rare for a QB to make it through the year, so having two starting caliber QBs is needed.

And I wouldn't count out Morgan, who got a big dose of PT. Not sure how good he is, or whether he's "good enough" to be an ACC caliber starter. He seems to have all of the tools, the question is whether he's got "enough" talent in any or multiple of those tools sets -- still TBD in my opinion.

Worst case, Tommy starts but is basically the same. Shrader backs him up, and is poised to take over the next two years, while Morgan / Lamson / Markewicz continue to develop. Even if that's "only" how things work out, it is a net improvement for QB depth and talent.

I really like what GS could be but agree with you here. I think who wins the job could also come down to what can we do better with all the pieces we have? Can we run tempo with a run heavy offense and put points on the board or does line play and receiver development/personnel let us sling it with the best passer in the room? Or maybe it's a combination of both given its not clear by season start?

 

[SUbear]

"...probably more than Devito..." TD is a better athlete than he shows during games...but he's not in the same league as GS. Not even close.

I was trying to be nice.

 

[qdawgg]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that players automatically improve in a linear capacity.
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Not to sidetrack this thread but in the many years I’ve been on here it’s one of the biggest things stated each year. Players and/or a position will be better next year than they were the year before. It’s said or suggested a lot.

 

[RF2044]

Not to sidetrack this thread but in the many years I’ve been on here it’s one of the biggest things stated each year. Players and/or a position will be better next year than they were the year before. It’s said or suggested a lot.

Great, well thank god the board has you to wave that flag in perpetuity.

Nobody has said it in this thread. What I HAVE seen suggested is that there are footsteps behind Tommy, so performance elevation is required.

 

[qdawgg]

Great, well thank god the board has you to wave that flag in perpetuity.

Nobody has said it in this thread. What I HAVE seen suggested is that there are footsteps behind Tommy, so performance elevation is required.

WT... are you even talking about. Get off your high horse, did you even read my post. Get triggered much? You completely missed the point of anything I was saying. Have a good day.

 

[orangefog]

WT... are you even talking about. Get off your high horse, did you even read my post. Get triggered much? You completely missed the point of anything I was saying. Have a good day.

He shouldn’t have to get off his horse, high or not. This is America. You can work hard and get a horse of your own.

 

[qdawgg]

He shouldn’t have to get off his horse, high or not. This is America. You can work hard and get a horse of your own.

Thats a fair point. Every one should have equal access to any type of horse.

 

[RF2044]

He shouldn’t have to get off his horse, high or not. This is America. You can work hard and get a horse of your own.

Wrong again, qdawgg!!! It's not high, the horse only uses it for medicinal purposes.

 

[qdawgg]

Wrong again, qdawgg!!! It's not high, the horse only uses it for medicinal purposes.

I knew I should have made a song reference to orangefog post, always late on the draw. No pun intended.

 

[TheCusian]

I know athleticism is code for faster, more agile, explosive - but it’s weird that we don’t include the arm strength and accuracy in that

 

[721Comstock]

I know athleticism is code for faster, more agile, explosive - but it’s weird that we don’t include the arm strength and accuracy in that

Those are more skills than they are raw athleticism.

 

[money3189]

I know athleticism is code for faster, more agile, explosive - but it’s weird that we don’t include the arm strength and accuracy in that

I get what you are saying but you can throw the hell out of a ball and have no athleticism at all.

 

[721Comstock]

I get what you are saying but you can throw the hell out of a ball and have no athleticism at all.

CC Sabathia nods his head in agreement.

David Wells says "hold my 12-pack of beer"

 

[All4SU]

Thats a fair point. Every one should have equal access to any type of horse.

Equal access but not necessarily equal horses.

 

[DMDMD]

Equal access but not necessarily equal horses.

As a denizen of the OT board, I deny that everyone has equal access to horses in the current system and believe that everyone should get the opportunity to earn a high horse, but only after everyone has been assured a horse of roughly average height.

 

[Qbobby]

All I know is I am going to hold my horses, you all look pretty damn shifty to me...

 

[AngryOtto]

This is where I fall. Too many people saying Dino wants a new QB or Garrett will be a Day 1 starter.

QB Room needed a guy that could play that is not a true freshman next year. Shrader does that, while bringing an intriguing run element.

I have no idea how good Shrader is in this system, but would much rather have a battle-tested former SEC QB that is here in January contending with Tommy than not. Whoever starts has earned it.

Lamson is the most raw talented of the 3 true freshman, Shrader coming in means he can have absolutely zero pressure to develop, as he will be 5th string behind 2 true freshman with game experience as opposed to having to come in and immediately be the #3 QB.

Every guy recruited is recruited by the coaching staff to win a job, some posters (not OP) are acting like Dino doesn't believe in Tommy anymore. No one recruits back-ups/depth (especially with JUCO/transfers). You always get the best players you can that work at the numbers for the position and let it play out on the field and practice.

Not sure DB has given up on TD yet but it’s clear the offense is wanting to go in a different direction at the qb position. The last two qbs have been DT. Tex I believe have DT abilities. Morgan showed ability to extend plays but not real running ability. TD strong arm but limited running ability and other issues. To me the long term qb is lamson but shrader is an option to give him time to develop and implement offense with a DT.

 

[RF2044]

As a denizen of the OT board, I deny that everyone has equal access to horses in the current system and believe that everyone should get the opportunity to earn a high horse, but only after everyone has been assured a horse of roughly average height.

So in other words, the horses would be indistinguishable / interchangeable? In essence, horses with no names?

 

[TheCusian]

I get what you are saying but you can throw the hell out of a ball and have no athleticism at all.

Isn't that athletic though?

Prolly not worth too much thought - just think it's weird that we categorize them differently when they are both physical things. Sports are weird.

(I'm prob weird)

 

[DMDMD]

So in other words, the horses would be indistinguishable / interchangeable? In essence, horses with no names?

Yes, AMERICA as it gets.
La, la, la, la, la, la

 

[RF2044]

orangefog was right... this IS America...

 

[Cusefan69]

So in other words, the horses would be indistinguishable / interchangeable? In essence, horses with no names?

This is accurate if said horse with no name has ridden through a desert. Otherwise not applicable.

 

[orangejunkie]

His ability to get upfield on the run is terrific and I can see the comparisons with Dungey. High level athlete that's not afraid to be physical on running plays. Tape was pretty impressive against top P5 teams for a true freshman.
However, getting to see the good and the bad of his season helps keep the expectations more realistic. I wasn't that impressed with his arm talent but maybe with some good off season training he'll show some improvements. It will be an interesting QB competition.

I lean toward Devito winning out but who knows. Teams like to play only one QB but it's possible Shrader will be a situational kind of player. It's nice to have some legitimate competition and in case the starter gets injured, there is a better option than we had this year.

 

[orangepassion]

Not sure DB has given up on TD yet but it’s clear the offense is wanting to go in a different direction at the qb position. The last two qbs have been DT. Tex I believe have DT abilities. Morgan showed ability to extend plays but not real running ability. TD strong arm but limited running ability and other issues. To me the long term qb is lamson but shrader is an option to give him time to develop and implement offense with a DT.

Tex is definitely not DT

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Tex is definitely not DT

I mean if Tex proves to be single threat I'd feel pretty good about that.