Class of 2021 QB Kaidon Salter (TX) Portal to Colorado

[phil77]

What was McCord 64% ?

He was 65.8 this year and 66% for his career.

 

[SmilinBob]

Salter Potatoes

 

[Cusefan69]

Bingo. The group above disagreeing with my point about the difference between McCord and Salter has less to do with running ability and more to do with touch, finesse and ACCURACY.

And yet again it has less to do with what you and Phil think about what is needed and...wait for it...everything to do with what Brown and Nixon want. Nixon wouldn't pursue nor Fran if they didn't believe the young man could do what THEY want. Again certain fans letting "perfection " to get in the way. Short sided. To be clear IF the perfect QB was out there, I am sure Fran and Nixon would pursue. It should tell you everything what they are doing.

 

[sufan59]

People forget Nixon ran a Baylor offense to 11-1, with a mobile QB.
I think Nixon can run lot of different offensive sets depending on personal and situations.

For sure they’re looking for a certain level of talent, but the main concern with the QB is leadership and character. They’ll adjust, but the identity of the team isn’t built off of play style, but the leadership and characters of the players on the team.

 

[PhatOrange]

He was 65.8 this year and 66% for his career.

Thanks for letting me know. How many QBs have that kind of percentage and how many are in the portal? Right.

 

[phil77]

People forget Nixon ran a Baylor offense to 11-1, with a mobile QB.
I think Nixon can run lot of different offensive sets depending on personal and situations.

Charlie Brewer had a career completion percentage of 63.3 and the year they went 11-3 his completion percentage was 64.5. Can Salter magically become that person? Who knows if he chooses SU we will see. Being mobile etc I don't care about if they want someone to run fine by me but I want my QB to be accurate.

In the years Brewer was closer to 60% Baylor didn't win.

 

[PhatOrange]

For sure they’re looking for a certain level of talent, but the main concern with the QB is leadership and character. They’ll adjust, but the identity of the team isn’t built off of play style, but the leadership and characters of the players on the team.

Bingo. What’s overlooked or understated is McCords ability to read a defense and know what to do with the ball in a short amount of time.

 

[phil77]

Thanks for letting me know. How many QBs have that kind of percentage and how many are in the portal? Right.

I would have to look more in-depth to find a list for you. The one that I know for sure that jumps out that profiles similar would be Miller Moss. Career 65.9% and last year was 64.4%. (Not saying I want Moss just giving and example of someone with similar completion percentage profile)

 

[anomander]

Bingo. The group above disagreeing with my point about the difference between McCord and Salter has less to do with running ability and more to do with touch, finesse and ACCURACY.

Saltar was 61% in 2023 with an avg completion of 9.9 yards with just under 300 pass attempts. 32/6 TD:INT and ran for over 1,000 yards.

In comparison Dungey was under 60% in 2018 with an average completion of 7.7 yards. He was also 60% or under in 3 out of 4 years.

Mccord was just under 66% on 7.7 yards.

65% is ideal but a lot of the time you lose the running threat. Completing 61% on 9.9 ypc tells me he was pushing the ball down the field

Saltar had a rating of 176 in 2023. McCord was 145 this year.

ESPN scouting reports has Saltar listed as a top 30 transfer and inside 10 top QB and the note says great and making tight throws deep down the field. That’s not even talking about his legs. So would we give up some accuracy? Yes, but we would gain that with his production on the ground. We’d also experience a drop off from Kyle regardless. With next years schedule i would happily take an experienced QB who has produced at this level, especially if we have Nixon and some of the other weapons expected to be back.

 

[kcsu]

That’s not at all what I am saying. I’m not that naive.

If you watch Salter’s game it is very different than McCords. It’s going to require a shift offensively if he replaces McCord. Maybe that’s ok but when you have as much success as this offense did this season, that’s a tough decision imo.

Not really. Nixon is on record saying that he will tailor the offense around the skills of the players. This kid is talented is a dual threat has played and succeeded at a high level. He would be a great get.

 

[721Comstock]

What was McCord 64% ?

66%. 65.8% to be exact.

Which was also his % at tOSU last year.

Dungey’s UUGE Sr year he competed passes at….

61%. (60.9)

So, I don’t wanna hear that the *only* way Cuse can possibly be successful is with a pocket passer who hits 66%,
and NOT with an athletic dual-threat who only hits 61%.

Particularly when the OC has a track record of having had great success with both styles of QB.

 

[wfschrec]

Salter was really hurt by bad wideout play. Comp % can suffer when folks are dropping balls and running the wrong routes.

 

[ezbeezy214]

I don't care if he can run or not. I wouldn't take him because he just isn't accurate with the football. He had under 60% completion percentage for his career and even in his productive year, he was 61%. That isn't good I need my QB to be better than that (if we are shopping). His 3rd season looks more like his 1st season leading me to believe the 2nd season was a one-off, not the norm. I would pass based on those factors and I assume Fran can do better. I wouldn't mind if he went to Colorado.

What were his yards/attempt? I wouldn’t worry about completion percentage so much without more context. I’d also like to believe that he grew with the team between his 1st and 2nd year and then the team fell off. Nixon is all about getting the ball out quick after one read.

 

[ezbeezy214]

People forget Nixon ran a Baylor offense to 11-1, with a mobile QB.
I think Nixon can run lot of different offensive sets depending on personal and situations.

And didn’t Brewer come out of relative anonymity.

 

[kcsu]

BAt S... crazy takes on this kid not being a take. Seriously nuts

 

[sufandu]

Not yet. Holding out hope that there is still a QB that has yet to enter portal that is being referred to in this thread. Salter IMO is too much of a shift from the type of QB that McCord is. Worry that that type of shift is being underestimated by this staff.

I hope this staff doesn't back themselves into a corner by needing a McCord because there's not many of them. There is more than one way to be a great quarterback. I hope our staff knows how ro adapt to varying skill sets.

There was a time when 99% of football wanted pocket passers with limited mobility. Now the elite of college and much of the NFL wants mobile guys. Why would we not want to be open to different styles? What we don't want is a guy that can't throw, but that doesn't mean our guy has to look just like McCord.

 

[sufandu]

Saltar was 61% in 2023 with an avg completion of 9.9 yards with just under 300 pass attempts. 32/6 TD:INT and ran for over 1,000 yards.

In comparison Dungey was under 60% in 2018 with an average completion of 7.7 yards. He was also 60% or under in 3 out of 4 years.

Mccord was just under 66% on 7.7 yards.

65% is ideal but a lot of the time you lose the running threat. Completing 61% on 9.9 ypc tells me he was pushing the ball down the field

Saltar had a rating of 176 in 2023. McCord was 145 this year.

ESPN scouting reports has Saltar listed as a top 30 transfer and inside 10 top QB and the note says great and making tight throws deep down the field. That’s not even talking about his legs. So would we give up some accuracy? Yes, but we would gain that with his production on the ground. We’d also experience a drop off from Kyle regardless. With next years schedule i would happily take an experienced QB who has produced at this level, especially if we have Nixon and some of the other weapons expected to be back.

Good comparison. If people want to simply go by numbers we have to look at all of them. McCords had a great completion percentage and tons of yards but td/int ratio was merely average and in the first half of the year he had a few others that were dropped. He was amazing for us this year and the offense would've been trash without him, but that doesn't mean someone with different strengths can't be as effective. Maybe a more mobile guy doesn't feel the need to force passes into tight windows when they can run. We may miss the back shoulder throws and that perfect touch he had when dropping it just over one guy and in front of another, but the threat of a guy running may lead to the defense leaving WRs open more.

What may be a more important point is that we may not be able to get a guy with the touch and accuracy of McCord. If we get the same style guy with a skillset one step below, what does the offense look like?

 

[anomander]

Good comparison. If people want to simply go by numbers we have to look at all of them. McCords had a great completion percentage and tons of yards but td/int ratio was merely average and in the first half of the year he had a few others that were dropped. He was amazing for us this year and the offense would've been trash without him, but that doesn't mean someone with different strengths can't be as effective. Maybe a more mobile guy doesn't feel the need to force passes into tight windows when they can run. We may miss the back shoulder throws and that perfect touch he had when dropping it just over one guy and in front of another, but the threat of a guy running may lead to the defense leaving WRs open more.

What may be a more important point is that we may not be able to get a with the touch and accuracy of McCord. If we get the same style guy with a skillset one step below, what does the offense look like?

Those money back should throws will be missed, but we also may never have a loaded set of skill position players as this year. OG, Meeks, Pena all averaging over 65 yards/game. LeQuint at RB, who obviously can catch. We possibly lose him, and our other unicorn in OG who is a match up nightmare for everyone and helped open up the passing game for Pena and Meeks. The latter can't be discounted on how amazing tough he was. Everyone can see now why Fran wanted him on the team even when he was behind Zeed to start the season. We still return some talented receivers, but as of now there will be no OG who demands attention from defenses that helped free other guys. We may need a running threat at times to keep our playmakers in favorable matchups.

 

[rackman18]

Think how good he must be if he can beat him out?

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They were in the final four in 2013 and 2016. These kids also still know who Melo is.

Not excusing the last few years but we're still a historic basketball brand.

Those money back should throws will be missed, but we also may never have a loaded set of skill position players as this year. OG, Meeks, Pena all averaging over 65 yards/game. LeQuint at RB, who obviously can catch. We possibly lose him, and our other unicorn in OG who is a match up nightmare for everyone and helped open up the passing game for Pena and Meeks. The latter can't be discounted on how amazing tough he was. Everyone can see now why Fran wanted him on the team even when he was behind Zeed to start the season. We still return some talented receivers, but as of now there will be no OG who demands attention from defenses that helped free other guys. We may need a running threat at times to keep our playmakers in favorable matchups.

I hope Tremble can help some on the loss of OGll.

 

[texascpa]

66%. 65.8% to be exact.

Which was also his % at tOSU last year.

Dungey’s UUGE Sr year he competed passes at….

61%. (60.9)

So, I don’t wanna hear that the *only* way Cuse can possibly be successful is with a pocket passer who hits 66%,
and NOT with an athletic dual-threat who only hits 61%.

Particularly when the OC has a track record of having had great success with both styles of QB.

I'm okay with 5 additional missed passes per 100 (or 2 per game) for a QB that can run for 50+ yards per game.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Aren’t our backups all dual threat types? Seems to me with that type of QB you want more than one game ready option due to risk of injury. McCord was a no brainer addition to the team but after him we might go more mobile.

 

[wfschrec]

I'm okay with 5 additional missed passes per 100 (or 2 per game) for a QB that can run for 50+ yards per game.

If you look at the number of drops from his receivers his numbers would be far better with our core WR group. Also saw on more than a few occasions what appeared to be a receiver running the wrong route causing a misfire. I think his completion percentage suffered due to who he was throwing to more than accuracy on several occasions.

 

[SUskibum]

If you look at the number of drops from his receivers his numbers would be far better with our core WR group. Also saw on more than a few occasions what appeared to be a receiver running the wrong route causing a misfire. I think his completion percentage suffered due to who he was throwing to more than accuracy on several occasions.

Salters drop % was 2x as high as Kyle's this year (12% v 6%) and would bring Salters Completion % to 67% if they were all caught (Salter was 71% last year)

For comparison, Kyles would have been 75% this year and 74% last year without the drops!

Salter was similar in turnover worthy plays and actually had a higher big time throw % and higher average depth of target

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

It should go without saying but if Salter is our QB, this is me welcoming opposing fans to The Dome next year *.

(* I reserve the right to do this at opponent stadiums & neutral sites as well.)

 

[djorange1989]

all this Salter debate will be moot if he leaves Boulder as a Colorado Buffalo. They can sell the upcoming likely number 1 pick in the draft and, while not a QB, the current Heisman winner and likely first non QB to get drafted.