Class of 2022 QB Steve Angeli (NJ) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/23/25)

[Cusefan69]

He has tape against Penn State in the CFP leading a 2 minute drive to end the first half that was pretty solid for a QB cold off the bench he lead them down the field 6/7 for a FG that made if 10/3 at half and really sparked the comeback. That tape against is quality QB play against a very tough defensive team is high quality. Someone in the ND program doesn't like him.

Gotcha. Thanks for the share.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think it is crazy that many here think this kid is a panacea. He is not a McCord with a proven season under his belt. His vids looked mixed to me.

I do not even see how anybody could assume one way or the other that he would be better or worse than will be Rikki.

McCord was a real outlier in terms of a pocket QB having success at the Cuse. Other than him our best recent successes has been with the "warrior" dual threat QBs such as Dungey and Shrader. DiVito as a pocket QB was highly rated and a huge flop here.

I think Rikki fits the mold better in terms of our recent QB success stories as compared to Angeli.

So for my money, I would certainly not undermine Rikki for this kid, though if Angeli wanted to come with the understanding he is COMPETING for QB2 against Williams I would certainly love that.

Rikki should be QB1 at this stage of the game and it will then be up to him to hold onto the job through performance (or not).

McCord set an impossibly high standard. Nobody is expecting anyone that follows McCord to be McCord. He rewrote out record book.

Angeli's appeal is that when his number has been called, he played well, but it wasn't called so much that it's likely he takes McCord like money to come on board.

Angeli's upside next season might be something like 70-75% of McCord. If we have reason to believe Collins will be 60-65%, that extra ten percent could be what sways some of the games against a tough schedule.

Plus, he's a Jersey guy with relationships with our staff. I guarantee we're aware of him and he's aware of us, and it just hasn't quite lined up. Yet.

Maybe this is when it lines up.

 

[phil77]

I think it is crazy that many here think this kid is a panacea. He is not a McCord with a proven season under his belt. His vids looked mixed to me.

I do not even see how anybody could assume one way or the other that he would be better or worse than will be Rikki.

McCord was a real outlier in terms of a pocket QB having success at the Cuse. Other than him our best recent successes has been with the "warrior" dual threat QBs such as Dungey and Shrader. DiVito as a pocket QB was highly rated and a huge flop here.

I think Rikki fits the mold better in terms of our recent QB success stories as compared to Angeli.

So for my money, I would certainly not undermine Rikki for this kid, though if Angeli wanted to come with the understanding he is COMPETING for QB2 against Williams I would certainly love that.

Rikki should be QB1 at this stage of the game and it will then be up to him to hold onto the job through performance (or not).

Rickie is not McCord either, and he isn't above being recruited over like any other position on the field. I'm not saying we are going to bring in Angeli, but if Fran, Nixon, and the rest of the offensive staff think Angeli is better and they have a chance to bring him, then they have to do that, and if Rickie leaves, he leaves. There is no loyalty anymore. The best example just happened a couple of days ago.

 

[newmexicuse]

McCord set an impossibly high standard. Nobody is expecting anyone that follows McCord to be McCord. He rewrote out record book.

Angeli's appeal is that when his number has been called, he played well, but it wasn't called so much that it's likely he takes McCord like money to come on board.

Angeli's upside next season might be something like 70-75% of McCord. If we have reason to believe Collins will be 60-65%, that extra ten percent could be what sways some of the games against a tough schedule.

Plus, he's a Jersey guy with relationships with our staff. I guarantee we're aware of him and he's aware of us, and it just hasn't quite lined up. Yet.

Maybe this is when it lines up.

With all due respect, your percentages are very arbitrary and pulled out of thin air.

All of our primary skill guys are gone and it remains to be seen how their replacements will do, which bodes better for a more mobile QB.

Fran has confidence in Rikki and until proven otherwise, I support his judgment.

 

[jr4750]

From all reports Rickie jammed him thumb. “Already injured” seems like a bit of a stretch.

Isn’t he out until June? Seems more serious I would think.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Also to be clear, I've been manifesting Angeli, but I was definitely not the first on the board to identify him as a guy that could be interesting for us. I don't recall who gets credit for that, but someone else brought forward a long time ago that Angeli could be one to watch given the staff relationships.

I just ran with it and had fun with it.

 

[sufandu]

What actually has he proven? He’s barely ever played at ND.

He proved that he can keep the bench nice and toasty.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

With all due respect, your percentages are very arbitrary and pulled out of thin air.

All of our primary skill guys are gone and it remains to be seen how their replacements will do, which bodes better for a more mobile QB.

Fran has confidence in Rikki and until proven otherwise, I support his judgment.

Oh those percentages were absolutely pulled out of thin air.

Was more just using that to make the claims that 1) Angeli wouldn't need to equal McCord to make a difference on our roster and 2) if he even makes a smaller difference it might be a big enough difference to impact our win loss record.

I mean, we've got this big game to start the year against Tennessee. Collins might be great. But he's never really played vs a guy that has started and won a bowl game and played well in the CFP.

Which one of those is a safer bet?

 

[721Comstock]

Who the hell is Rikki?

A mongoose?

 

[hoopsupstate]

McCord definitely set a high standard, but as crazy fans we want the next quarterback to perform just as well. First time Collins misses a pass next year, I can already hear, “McCord would have made that throw.”

 

[dollarbill44]

Really? What have you heard?

 

[SuFTW]

Never going to happen. You don’t build an offense around Collins and then change your mind. Not happening.

It’s April. We had a pass first offense this past season.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Who the hell is Rikki?

The annoying kid from Superman III.

 

[RF2044]

The offense around Angelli and Collins would be similar

Agreed.

Angeli started the Sun Bowl against Oregon Stafe in 2023.

This is the guy I have been hoping would hit the portal but unfortunately he waited too long.

Can’t see him choosing Syracuse when there are other schools that will promise him the starting QB job.

Angeli was really loyal to ND but they did not return that loyalty. College football is a business now all about the bottom line.

Hope he finds a good home.

And on the loyalty front, college football is all about attrition. You bring in recruits / transfers in an attempt to recruit OVER the players already on your roster.

And it is the responsibility of those incumbents to avoid having their jobs taken away. If they accomplish that, great. And if they don't, equally great.

But this is a results driven occupation, and we shouldn't let "loyalty" to a player like Williams, Collins, etc. prevent us from trying to bring in upgrades at the QB position.

Angelli has a connection to our QB coach. If the coaches think he can help us, then I'd be in favor of recruiting him. And if they don't, that's fine with me as well.

But I would never, ever expect Fran Brown to not explore any opportunity to upgrade, regardless of who we already have on the roster. Not in this era of the portal.

 

[SuFTW]

With all due respect, your percentages are very arbitrary and pulled out of thin air.

All of our primary skill guys are gone and it remains to be seen how their replacements will do, which bodes better for a more mobile QB.

Fran has confidence in Rikki and until proven otherwise, I support his judgment.

Fran has confidence in Rickie, but part of that is selling him to the team and the fans, and also it doesn’t mean that he might have not more confidence in a more experienced QB.

 

[Franz69]

R-I-C-K-I-E

 

[newmexicuse]

Agreed.


And on the loyalty front, college football is all about attrition. You bring in recruits / transfers in an attempt to recruit OVER the players already on your roster.

And it is the responsibility of those incumbents to avoid having their jobs taken away. If they accomplish that, great. And if they don't, equally great.

But this is a results driven occupation, and we shouldn't let "loyalty" to a player like Williams, Collins, etc. prevent us from trying to bring in upgrades at the QB position.

Angelli has a connection to our QB coach. If the coaches think he can help us, then I'd be in favor of recruiting him. And if they don't, that's fine with me as well.

But I would never, ever expect Fran Brown to not explore any opportunity to upgrade, regardless of who we already have on the roster. Not in this era of the portal.

I have to disagree. Loyalty is very important for long term success and medium to long term retention of players.

It wont always be two way as Pena proved. but I believe trust and loyalty are important elements for long term program building and success.

Players seem to love Fran, a big part of that has to be because they believe he has their back.

Now, I do agree that we always need to recruit the best players that we can for every position, so how does that reconcile with loyalty ?

In the current discussion, Fran has already named Rikki the starter. I believe Fran needs to be loyal to the player in view of the public statement. Maybe the statement came to soon, but that is another issue.

So what this means to me is that Fran owes Rikki first dibs and an opportunity. If Rikki gets his chance and falters, then naturally all bets are off.

The odds are very high that at some point there will be an opportunity for a QB2. There might be injury, there might be mediocre or poor play, there might just be changing the look of the O, there might just be too many losses. Things happen. The cream will eventually rise. If Angeli comes here, sooner or later the opportunity will arise if he is truly better than Rikki.

 

[Sudano]

Never going to happen. You don’t build an offense around Collins and then change your mind. Not happening.

The players on offense aren't specifically on the roster because Collins may be our starting QB.
In fact almost all were on the roster when Collins was at LSU. Faulty logic.

 

[SuFTW]

I have to disagree. Loyalty is very important for long term success and medium to long term retention of players.

It wont always be two way as Pena proved. but I believe trust and loyalty are important elements for long term program building and success.

Players seem to love Fran, a big part of that has to be because they believe he has their back.

Now, I do agree that we always need to recruit the best players that we can for every position, so how does that reconcile with loyalty ?

In the current discussion, Fran has already named Rikki the starter. I believe Fran needs to be loyal to the player in view of the public statement. Maybe the statement came to soon, but that is another issue.

So what this means to me is that Fran owes Rikki first dibs and an opportunity. If Rikki gets his chance and falters, then naturally all bets are off.

The odds are very high that at some point there will be an opportunity for a QB2. There might be injury, there might be mediocre or poor play, there might just be changing the look of the O, there might just be too many losses. Things happen. The cream will eventually rise. If Angeli comes here, sooner or later the opportunity will arise if he is truly better than Rikki.

Nobody is owed “first dibs”. Everything must be earned.

 

[TheHaze315]

We think Fran, who just essentially told Trebor Pena “you gotta go” because he went back on his word and asked us to match an NIL offer after they already had a deal, would go back on his word after he named Rickie the starter publicly and said he like what he has there? I don’t see it. If it was a Mccord situation sure, but Angeli isn’t that.

 

[RF2044]

I have to disagree. Loyalty is very important for long term success and medium to long term retention of players.

It wont always be two way as Pena proved. but I believe trust and loyalty are important elements for long term program building and success.

Players seem to love Fran, a big part of that has to be because they believe he has their back.

Now, I do agree that we always need to recruit the best players that we can for every position, so how does that reconcile with loyalty ?

In the current discussion, Fran has already named Rikki the starter. I believe Fran needs to be loyal to the player in view of the public statement. Maybe the statement came to soon, but that is another issue.

So what this means to me is that Fran owes Rikki first dibs and an opportunity. If Rikki gets his chance and falters, then naturally all bets are off.

The odds are very high that at some point there will be an opportunity for a QB2. There might be injury, there might be mediocre or poor play, there might just be changing the look of the O, there might just be too many losses. Things happen. The cream will eventually rise. If Angeli comes here, sooner or later the opportunity will arise if he is truly better than Rikki.

Players are designated to be starters all the time, until somebody better comes along and takes their job.

From a reps / offseason chemistry standpoint, it made sense to name Rickie Collins the starter, if he was truly better than Williams, Carney, and Johnson.

But if we have a chance to add a better player -- and I'm not necessarily suggesting that Angelli is a better player than Collins -- then you do it. Without hesitation. Because that's what winning football requires.

If Fran doesn't think that Angelli is an upgrade compared to Collins, then it won't bother me in the slightest if we don't kick the tires.

 

[newmexicuse]

Nobody is owed “first dibs”. Everything must be earned.

Fran thought first dibs were earned or he would not have named him QB1.

 

[SuFTW]

Fran thought first dibs were earned or he would not have named him QB1.

No. That’s for the current make up of the team. Doesn’t necessarily hold if we sign a new QB with experience whoever it may be. Just like if we sign a new LB or CB out of the portal.

 

[TheHaze315]

First, Ricky came here not knowing whether McCord was getting another year. So, that isn't true.

Sure, but then he was named the starting Quarterback publicly and hyped up by the head coach. Going back on that now and saying actually we like this guy better would surely not go over well with Rickie. In my opinion one of the reasons Fran named him QB1 so early is to show confidence in him and rally the team around him as soon as possible, us going out and nabbing another QB as QB1 would undo all of that and really goes against virtually everything Fran has shown he stands for.

 

[newmexicuse]

Players are designated to be starters all the time, until somebody better comes along and takes their job.

From a reps / offseason chemistry standpoint, it made sense to name Rickie Collins the starter, if he was truly better than Williams, Carney, and Johnson.

But if we have a chance to add a better player -- and I'm not necessarily suggesting that Angelli is a better player than Collins -- then you do it. Without hesitation. Because that's what winning football requires.

If Fran doesn't think that Angelli is an upgrade compared to Collins, then it won't bother me in the slightest if we don't kick the tires.

Personally, I was surprised that Fran named Rikki QB1 that early. It might have been a mistake, but to retract that now before Rikki has even played a down would be really throwing the kid under the bus in my mind. I do not believe that is who Fran is.