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QB1: Angeli

wfschrec said:
Can we stop with the dual threat stuff already? He ran for a total of 100 yards in 3 years of high school ball (based on his MaxPreps stats). 37 rushing yards during brief stints as a QB at LSU ... he is not a dual threat QB for the love of God. He may be athletic but he is not a guy who runs the football. And quite frankly i don't care what some recruitnick calls him or labels him ... a guy who rain for -10 yards as a junior isn't dual threat.
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To be fair, the coaches and Fran have also drawn this distinction between the 2. Fran has said multiple times when asked about the QB's that Rickie can do some things with his legs that Steve can't.
 
RF2044 said:
A couple of things. Angeli is a really gifted passer. He's VERY good, he's experienced, and the staff sees him as a guy who can emulate a lot of what McCord brought to the table last year.

Keep in mind that when we landed Kyle from OSU, a lot of people were talking about him being a game manager [similar to Angeli this year], who might "suffer" from not having the same level of talent. Fast forward, and he led the nation in passing yards / receptions / etc.

Can Angeli produce 75% of the same? Time will tell. But this seems bigger than just the Tennessee game.

Arm strength is overrated. How many 30+ yard passes are you going to complete during the course of a game [and I'm talking about downfield, not short receptions that turn into long YAC chunks]?

And nothing against Collins. It sounds like this battle went right down to the wire.
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Agree with everything but the arm strength part (and I don't know if that applies to Angeli at all anyways).

Especially in college, most blown coverages are long throws, and under-throws are a killer there. Additionally, college DBs try to jump outs more than anything else and if your arm strength isn't good enough to zip it to the boundaries there's going to be some pick 6s coming out of that.
 
bnoro said:
Agree with everything but the arm strength part (and I don't know if that applies to Angeli at all anyways).

Especially in college, most blown coverages are long throws, and under-throws are a killer there. Additionally, college DBs try to jump outs more than anything else and if your arm strength isn't good enough to zip it to the boundaries there's going to be some pick 6s coming out of that.
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That's fair. But my point is that Angeli has the requisite arm strength, it is table stakes, a minimum threshold. This isn't some guy who can't make throws; by all accounts, he throws the ball exceptionally well -- with impressive accuracy and command in terms of making his reads.

Collins being able to throw it a little farther doesn't mean much. I always get a kick out of when people get worked up because a QB can throw the ball 50+ yards from his knees, because of what that means for arm strength. Who throws the ball from their knees, that isn't a football play.

I'm not saying that Angeli can't make the throws you are describing. I think he's going to be just fine. He doesn't have a "weak" arm, maybe just not quite as much depth as Collins, but so what?

Again, this is a guy who is similar to McCord in many respects, but sounds like a better, more effective runner.
 
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wiseman3 said:
www.syracuse.com

Why is Steve Angeli the choice at QB? Syracuse’s starter has a trait Fran Brown covets

In picking Steve Angeli as the Orange's starting quarterback, Fran Brown is betting that winning is a character trait.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com
Very interesting stat in here. Last season for App State per PFF, Joey Aguilar had 24 turnover worthy plays. For Angeli, in 91 total dropbacks he has ZERO turnover worthy plays.

That could be the key vs. Tennessee
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I feel like that article downplays Angeli's talent tbh.
 
wiseman3 said:
To be fair, the coaches and Fran have also drawn this distinction between the 2. Fran has said multiple times when asked about the QB's that Rickie can do some things with his legs that Steve can't.
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Yeah quick kicks
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I feel like that article downplays Angeli's talent tbh.
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Chip said:
Syracuse fans have always hated black QBs.

Both QBs will be ready to play against Tennessee. I think Angeli will have a quick hook if things aren't going well.
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There might be some but I have yet to see that as a general sentiment ... McNabb was hands down my favorite and many of my friends who were fellow fans will tell you the same thing.
 
wfschrec said:
Can we stop with the dual threat stuff already? He ran for a total of 100 yards in 3 years of high school ball (based on his MaxPreps stats). 37 rushing yards during brief stints as a QB at LSU ... he is not a dual threat QB for the love of God. He may be athletic but he is not a guy who runs the football. And quite frankly i don't care what some recruitnick calls him or labels him ... a guy who rain for -10 yards as a junior isn't dual threat.
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Sorry but that isn't correct. His Maxpreps data only has data from 2 games his Sophmore season, 1 game his Junior season, and 1 game his senior season. So 100 yards in 4 games. Unfortunately i hadn't seen anywhere that had very good comprehensive stats for his seasons in HS.

https://www.maxpreps.com/la/baton-r...ollins/football/stats/?careerid=mi6ap1h5p37qa
 
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RF2044 said:
That's fair. But my point is that Angeli has the requisite arm strength, it is table stakes, a minimum threshold. This isn't some guy who can't make throws; by all accounts, he throws the ball exceptionally well -- with impressive accuracy and command in terms of making his reads.

Collins being able to throw it a little farther doesn't mean much. I always get a kick out of when people get worked up because a QB can throw the ball 50+ yards from his knees, because of what that means for arm strength. Who throws the ball from their knees, that isn't a football play.

I'm not saying that Angeli can't make the throws you are describing. I think he's going to be just fine. He doesn't have a "weak" arm, maybe just not quite as much depth as Collins, but so what?

Again, this is a guy who is similar to McCord in many respects, but sounds like a better, more effective runner.
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Yeah, all that is fair. As I said, not sure how much it applied to Angeli in this comparison as I haven't seen enough of him in a game setting.

Excited to see how it plays out.
 
Chip said:
Syracuse fans have always hated black QBs.

Both QBs will be ready to play against Tennessee. I think Angeli will have a quick hook if things aren't going well.
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We really hated McNabb ,Graves, McPherson and Madei Williams.
 
RF2044 said:
That's fair. But my point is that Angeli has the requisite arm strength, it is table stakes, a minimum threshold. This isn't some guy who can't make throws; by all accounts, he throws the ball exceptionally well -- with impressive accuracy and command in terms of making his reads.

Collins being able to throw it a little farther doesn't mean much. I always get a kick out of when people get worked up because a QB can throw the ball 50+ yards from his knees, because of what that means for arm strength. Who throws the ball from their knees, that isn't a football play.

I'm not saying that Angeli can't make the throws you are describing. I think he's going to be just fine. He doesn't have a "weak" arm, maybe just not quite as much depth as Collins, but so what?

Again, this is a guy who is similar to McCord in many respects, but sounds like a better, more effective runner.
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agreed and again, we aren't talking who has more NFL type attributes just whoever can help Syracuse win games, His arm will be fine for college. The Clemson QB doesn't have a huge arm either.
Chip said:
Syracuse fans have always hated black QBs.

Both QBs will be ready to play against Tennessee. I think Angeli will have a quick hook if things aren't going well.
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Agreed, fully expect them both to play in the first 3 games and I also expect that Angeli will need some time to get his bearings. Tough ask in Atlanta versus Tennessee. Will be interesting to see where this thing is at after Colgate game. I would be shocked if this QB battle doesn't drag out a few games and a debate amongst fans throughout the year. If it doesn't well that's great for fans but it never seems that easy
 
OmahaCuse said:
We really hated McNabb ,Graves, McPherson and Madei Williams.
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Am I allowed to sing one of these things is not like the others with the Madei Williams inclusion?

Although if only he hadn't broken his thumb in 1999 preseason camp, who knows what might have been.
 
ECE '76 said:
If SU is to win more than 6 games against this year's schedule, the run game will have to be better than last year and the defense will have to be better than last year.

No Matter who wins QB1, if QB1 goes down, by all accounts SU's season will not be flushed down the toilet, because QB2 will be practically as good. In Dungey's only healthy season [10 wins], DeVito got to play significant snaps and did win the UNC game.

If QB2 doesn't get significant snaps this year, he will not be here in '26.
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To win more than 2 games the run game and defense will have to be better, with defense needing significant improvement. I'm confident both will be better but I don't know if they'll be 4 win better or 8 win better.
 
Chip said:
Syracuse fans have always hated black QBs.

Both QBs will be ready to play against Tennessee. I think Angeli will have a quick hook if things aren't going well.
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Lies, stop making stuff up. All great QBs were revered and all poor QBs were questioned for their talent.
 
Chicago44s said:
My dream scenario is for Angeli to be a Marvin Gravesesque game manager and Collins to get some experience as a Doug Womackesque change of pace guy 2-3 times a game who can actually throw the ball too.
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Doug Womack has absolutely nothing in common to Ricki Collins. ZERO
 
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