Class of 2019 RB Jawhar Jordan Jr. (AZ) SIGNED NLI TO SYRACUSE 12/19/18

[reedny]

Ugh.

So, in light of that -- is prep school an option, to increase his test score?

Or is he down lots and lots of core classes, leaving JUCO as the only option?

JUCO's another policy (among many) in need of reform. The NCAA is focused on opening the transfer gates, and that's good/bad depending on your point of view. But JUCO is, IMO, in even worse shape. It's an automatic 2 year stint to get grades in order. Why? As we saw with Diagne, it's a long treadmill in the wrong direction. If a kid can get his credits in order/scores in a year, why make him sit out?

 

[RF2044]

JUCO's another policy (among many) in need of reform. The NCAA is focused on opening the transfer gates, and that's good/bad depending on your point of view. But JUCO is, IMO, in even worse shape. It's an automatic 2 year stint to get grades in order. Why? As we saw with Diagne, it's a long treadmill in the wrong direction. If a kid can get his credits in order/scores in a year, why make him sit out?

Along those lines, I think the prep school option being limited to only one core course is in need of reevaluation.

Currently, kids are only able to replace one course from the core / required curriculum via prep school. Why? Make them go for a full year if need be. But limiting it to one course seems dumb -- which is par for the course with the NCAA.

 

[maxxyz]

Along those lines, I think the prep school option being limited to only one core course is in need of reevaluation.

Currently, kids are only able to replace one course from the core / required curriculum via prep school. Why? Make them go for a full year if need be. But limiting it to one course seems dumb -- which is par for the course with the NCAA.

Don't they have that 'only one Core course' requirement in place so that academically underachieving athletes don't miraculously fulfill all of their Core requirements in prep school in one year?

 

[RF2044]

Don't they have that 'only one Core course' requirement in place so that academically underachieving athletes don't miraculously fulfill all of their Core requirements in prep school in one year?

It doesn't have to be only extreme ends of either side of the scale.

That's the point.

Of course there is the potential for abuse, and for loopholes to be exploited. But you don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[sufandu]

It doesn't have to be only extreme ends of either side of the scale.

That's the point.

Of course there is the potential for abuse, and for loopholes to be exploited. But you don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

That's the hard part. A line has to be drawn somewhere to close the loopholes people know will be exploited. Maybe one course is too little. The problem would come with establishing what the correct number is. Whatever that number is somebody will think it's wrong.

 

[RF2044]

That's the hard part. A line has to be drawn somewhere to close the loopholes people know will be exploited. Maybe one course is too little. The problem would come with establishing what the correct number is. Whatever that number is somebody will think it's wrong.

Agreed. I personally think that forcing kids to go JUCO who are close to academically qualifying, but maybe a class or two off, or a standardized test score off, is far too restrictive and pejorative. Especially for the kids who start off poorly, but make a big push at the end and come up just short.

If it is a reasonable amount -- say, 5 classes -- then let them go prep, force them to take that year [instead of being forced into the bottomless pit of JUCO for two full years], and let them make up some of that course work. If they do, then great -- they are eligible if they meet minimum thresholds and achieve a high enough score on the sliding scale.

Why can't the NCAA audit / scrutinize prep school courses with the same level of skepticism that they do with regular high school courses? That will help prevent kids from loading up on a bunch of fake classes, more so that just limiting them to one or nothing.

Just my two cents.

 

[maxxyz]

Agreed. I personally think that forcing kids to go JUCO who are close to academically qualifying, but maybe a class or two off, or a standardized test score off, is far too restrictive and pejorative. Especially for the kids who start off poorly, but make a big push at the end and come up just short.

If it is a reasonable amount -- say, 5 classes -- then let them go prep, force them to take that year [instead of being forced into the bottomless pit of JUCO for two full years], and let them make up some of that course work. If they do, then great -- they are eligible if they meet minimum thresholds and achieve a high enough score on the sliding scale.

Why can't the NCAA audit / scrutinize prep school courses with the same level of skepticism that they do with regular high school courses? That will help prevent kids from loading up on a bunch of fake classes, more so that just limiting them to one or nothing.

Just my two cents.

I agree that a modification of the rule should be considered, but five Core classes is two years of High School. Maybe two or three? A student that is that far behind in their high school curriculum will struggle mightily with college. Maybe JUCO is where they should be.

 

[bnoro]

Man... These kids bust their humps all week, for years, to play college fb. Too many forget the college part. I'll hold out hope, it's a test grade, or he's just missing a class, that he can take care of. Seems like a real determined kid. Hoping he gets to sign late... fingers still crossed.

His is the only film, that literally had me laughing, at what he could do.

Should've busted his humps all week in school and he wouldn't be in this situation.

You can cross your fingers all you'd like but it's not going to change anything.

 

[sufandu]

Agreed. I personally think that forcing kids to go JUCO who are close to academically qualifying, but maybe a class or two off, or a standardized test score off, is far too restrictive and pejorative. Especially for the kids who start off poorly, but make a big push at the end and come up just short.

If it is a reasonable amount -- say, 5 classes -- then let them go prep, force them to take that year [instead of being forced into the bottomless pit of JUCO for two full years], and let them make up some of that course work. If they do, then great -- they are eligible if they meet minimum thresholds and achieve a high enough score on the sliding scale.

Why can't the NCAA audit / scrutinize prep school courses with the same level of skepticism that they do with regular high school courses? That will help prevent kids from loading up on a bunch of fake classes, more so that just limiting them to one or nothing.

Just my two cents.

That sounds reasonable. I also liked the idea somebody mentioned earlier of a fuy being able to transfer after one year of JUCO, if they choose that route.

 

[RandomGuy]

Should've busted his humps all week in school and he wouldn't be in this situation.

My whole point.

In the first step of the grieving process...

 

[rackman18]

Should've busted his humps all week in school and he wouldn't be in this situation.

You can cross your fingers all you'd like but it's not going to change anything.

You are 100% right on bnoro. However I will put some of the blame on the their HS coaches. When I was in school my coaches knew my grades as well as my student counselor. When my grades were anywhere near failing I was brought in front of coach was warned of being off the team or was off the team til grades get up where they not in any chance of failing. I think some of these coaches worry more of winning. I also think the college coaches inquire how their grades are and know what direction the kids are heading.

 

[qdawgg]

High School isn't hard, it's pretty hard to not pass classes. School might be hard "to do well" but it's not hard to at least pass.

 

[chugg21]

High School isn't hard, it's pretty hard to not pass classes. School might be hard "to do well" but it's not hard to at least pass.

Cs = degrees!

 

[Toga]

Along those lines, I think the prep school option being limited to only one core course is in need of reevaluation.

Currently, kids are only able to replace one course from the core / required curriculum via prep school. Why? Make them go for a full year if need be. But limiting it to one course seems dumb -- which is par for the course with the NCAA.

I'd say that is hard to believe but then I remember we're talking the NCAA.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

High School isn't hard, it's pretty hard to not pass classes. School might be hard "to do well" but it's not hard to at least pass.

Yep. Passing is a mighty low bar. And five core courses = two years of high school? Not if you plan to have even a minimal chance of earning a college degree.

 

[721Comstock]

Cs = degrees!

D is for Diploma!!

 

[Cusefan69]

Hard to say what this young man's situation is/was. Allot happens in highschool and outside of highschool. Parent situation, friends, girlfriends, wrong crowd, learning Dev challenges. Hopefully he gets things turned around. Not every kid is laser focused at 17... good luck to him.

 

[Libero2]

Yep. Passing is a mighty low bar. And five core courses = two years of high school? Not if you plan to have even a minimal chance of earning a college degree.

A core class is science, history, english and math. Most kids only take 1 of each per year, so yeah 5 would take 2 years of school under normal circumstances. People often forget that your elective courses don't count towards NCAA eligibility

 

[anomander]

Really disappointed with this one. Hopefully each side stays in communication and we can get him after a couple years of JUCO. His speed would have been something to see inside the Dome. It really blows my mind that these kids have so much talent, and they can't apply themselves in the least to get qualifying grades. I don't know his situation (learning wise and don't want to), but HS is not hard. The only way you can't qualify is if you basically just don't hand in homework. Otherwise, it's impossible to fail if you put minimal effort in.

With that said it's going to be hard to see guys like Jordan, Hall, and Sampson playing for other P5 schools. Jordan and Hall looked like the playmaker, game changing, type of RB's that we so desperately need. Sampson could have been a 3+ year starter. I know a couple of them weren't on us, but that only furthers the disappointment, and bad luck we just can't seem to shake.

Here's to closing the class strong

 

[cuse309]

D is for Diploma!!

And G.E.D. stands for Good Enough Diploma!!

 

[MaxwellCuse]

A core class is science, history, english and math. Most kids only take 1 of each per year, so yeah 5 would take 2 years of school under normal circumstances. People often forget that your elective courses don't count towards NCAA eligibility

Academic core classes are usually considered by college admissions offices to consist of math, science, English, history/social studies, and foreign language. Schools of ACC caliber often recommend that a student take at least 5 core courses each year in high school. Many take more. (No, I don't expect many, perhaps most, ACC athletes -- particularly those in the in the money sports -- to have taken 20+ units in core subjects during their high school careers. For those of us involved in college admissions at selective four year colleges that is not an unusual accomplishment to see in the general student body however).

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

 

[bnoro]

With that said it's going to be hard to see guys like Jordan, Hall, and Sampson playing for other P5 schools. Jordan and Hall looked like the playmaker, game changing, type of RB's that we so desperately need. Sampson could have been a 3+ year starter. I know a couple of them weren't on us, but that only furthers the disappointment, and bad luck we just can't seem to shake.

I'd be surprised if more than one of the 3 you listed ends up at a P5 school.

 

[RandomGuy]

I'd be surprised if more than one of the 3 you listed ends up at a P5 school.

Hall signed his loi. Tsam seems to still have suitors.

 

[PAcuse]

Hall signed his loi. Tsam seems to still have suitors.

You can sign as many loi's as you want, you still are not getting in if you don't make the grades/test scores.

 

[RandomGuy]

You can sign as many loi's as you want, you still are not getting in if you don't make the grades/test scores.

And l'ville would lose the scholly, correct?