Recruiting QBs

[All4SU]

There’s really only one solution:

Pay the players big salaries. Then hold a draft to help evenly distribute the talent. (<——Sarcasm Font alert.) Oh wait. That’s already being done by the pros.

 

[PhatOrange]

You should recruit 1 QB every year. We struck out bad this year so far and the loss of Chance really hurt our roster.

Yr1 - kept Rex (medical)
Yr2 - DeVito (starter)
Yr3 - Amie (flunked out of school)
Yr4 - Summers (redshirting)
Yr5 - TBD - need that transfer AND a high school kid

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Maybe, maybe not. There are good qbs in lower level schools, maybe they want to try and play at the highest level. In a lot of cases, they just want a chance.

No matter where you go, you have to compete for a spot, why not bet on yourself?
Some would.

We did essentially that with the Qb from south Florida. He ended up transferring to Vanderbilt and I would say he’s better than Welch and Culpepper.

Do that with 2 guys per year.

Florange44

No. Maybe they don't want to attend SU, or live in Syracuse.

 

[721Comstock]

You should recruit 1 QB every year. We struck out bad this year so far and the loss of Chance really hurt our roster.

Yr1 - kept Rex (medical)
Yr2 - DeVito (starter)
Yr3 - Amie (flunked out of school)
Yr4 - Summers (redshirting)
Yr5 - TBD - need that transfer AND a high school kid

Sigh.
Chance Amie was a warm body wearing a QB #. Period.

Everybody keeps talking about him like he’s the 2nd coming of McNabb;
Yet he could not only not get the starting nod at whatever Blinn College is, he got hardly any PT, and was terrible at passing for the handful of games he played.

Somehow, some way - THIS guy was going to be successful as a P5 QB??

You know who else passed the look test as a dual threat QB?
Ashton Broyld.

Please share whatever you’re smoking with the rest of the group

 

[CuseLegacy]

Thinking out loud

Since QB is such a critical position and it’s hard to judge which ones have it and which ones don’t (Burrow had 1 offer!)...

Doesn’t it make sense to bring in a few extra every year and take a chances on guys that appear to be too smalll or too slow and are headed to a lower team or lower division?

The kid gets a chance to compete at the highest level when no one else will give him a shot. If it doesn’t work out he can transfer down anyway. When he transfers, both parties are whole again.

Just makes sense to take more shots at a game changing player.

What am I missing?

Florange44

The type of QBs you are talking about are known as PWOs. The staff took one last class. Welch was a pwo. And if a kid transfers out the scholarship is lost and depth is affected. The limit per class is 25 scholarships. No more.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You know who else passed the look test as a dual threat QB?
Ashton Broyld.

Please share whatever you’re smoking with the rest of the group

Oh, the irony.

 

[PhatOrange]

Sigh.
Chance Amie was a warm body wearing a QB #. Period.

Everybody keeps talking about him like he’s the 2nd coming of McNabb;
Yet he could not only not get the starting nod at whatever Blinn College is, he got hardly any PT, and was terrible at passing for the handful of games he played.

Somehow, some way - THIS guy was going to be successful as a P5 QB??

You know who else passed the look test as a dual threat QB?
Ashton Broyld.

Please share whatever you’re smoking with the rest of the group

Chance Amie was really good. Blinn had nothing to do with his football ability.

But somehow you turned me saying “really hurt our roster” into me saying “was the second coming of roger staubach.”

I didn’t imply that. Didn’t even say he’d be the starter. Simply said hurt our roster. Meaning numbers and depth.

reading comprehension fail

 

[CuseLegacy]

How did you go from Tommy's father best bud to hating on the kid?

 

[SURules]

You should recruit 1 QB every year. We struck out bad this year so far and the loss of Chance really hurt our roster.

Yr1 - kept Rex (medical)
Yr2 - DeVito (starter)
Yr3 - Amie (flunked out of school)
Yr4 - Summers (redshirting)
Yr5 - TBD - need that transfer AND a high school kid

This my recruiting post. This seems like the last 20 years plus.

 

[721Comstock]

Chance Amine was really good. Blinn had nothing to do with his football ability.

But somehow you turned me saying “really hurt our roster” into me saying “was the second coming of roger staubach.”

I didn’t imply that. Didn’t even say he’d be the starter. Simply said hurt our roster. Meaning numbers and depth.

reading comprehension fail

Logic fail.

#’s and depth??
He can’t even play QB successfully at the JUCO level.

What would be the point of having him standing around wearing a QB #?

oh yeah, #’s and depth.

You know who ACTUALLY PROVIDED #’s and depth?

Clayton Welch.
Who also ACTUALLY PRODUCED as a JUCO.
And then also on the field here, when called upon

Let’s get another guy like that.

 

[kcsu]

How did you go from Tommy's father best bud to hating on the kid?

Chill. Im not Tommy's Dad best friend. I respect him for being a good father. As to any coach competition is good.

 

[TheCusian]

What if we kidnapped all the best QB prospects when they are in 9th grade? Would help us and hurt all the other teams. Then we trade them for OL

could work

 

[721Comstock]

What if we kidnapped all the best QB prospects when they are in 9th grade? Would help us and hurt all the other teams. Then we trade them for OL

could work

And if some of the others dedicated themselves to S&C...

 

[007]

Why would the QB want to come and compete with 6 other dudes?

I don't think it would ever be 6 other dudes, even if you brought in 2 a year. The recruiting pitch will always be that if you beat out player X, you will play. I'm sure that is what they are telling Fortin now.

I am a firm believer that at the P5 level, you should be bringing in at least 1 QB every class that the staff thinks can play. Let them sort it out in practice - may the best man win, the next in line go to the 2-3 deep, and the upper classmen who have been passed over transfer out. Repeat the cycle next season and play the best.

It's cold, but you have to operate this way at the QB position, IMO.

 

[All4SU]

^ I think that’s right. Get the best QB you can get every year. That’s what every top program does. I would add that it’s okay to bring in an athlete too. A kid who maybe played multiple positions in HS - including QB. Be honest with them. Give them a chance to compete initially. If they don’t add enough, move them to a better position to fit their skill set. A Kevin Johnson or a Dee Brown here and there can really help fill out a roster.

 

[PhatOrange]

Logic fail.

#’s and depth??
He can’t even play QB successfully at the JUCO level.

What would be the point of having him standing around wearing a QB #?

oh yeah, #’s and depth.

You know who ACTUALLY PROVIDED #’s and depth?

Clayton Welch.
Who also ACTUALLY PRODUCED as a JUCO.
And then also on the field here, when called upon

Let’s get another guy like that.

Logic? I simply listed out the QB recruiting under Babers. It’s not that hard to understand. You added all sorts of commentary to a list.

Amie not playing at blinn had nothing to do with ability

 

[sufandu]

Here's a broader recruiting question that likely doesn't belong here. Why can Clemson recruit a WR that can become a stud LB when we have trouble recruiting LBs that can become stud LBs?

 

[OrangeDW]

Dino gushed all over Tommy. Big mistake. Never anoint a player before they earn it. Name him the starter. Yes. Kiss his arse and close out competition. No.

I wonder if Mr. “NOT WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR!” who spazzed out on a message board when his true freshman kid got 2nd team reps behind a 2 year(at the time) starter, caused some pressure for Dino there? Can’t help but wonder.

 

[OrangeDW]

Kevin Johnson did pretty well at WR

Xavier Gaines, Cody Catalina, Rex Culpepper didn’t. Joe Fields was a decent safety, I guess, but he was supposed to be our next QB before being ruined at Purdue.

I’d rather recruit actual WRs/TEs.

 

[TexanMark]

^ I think that’s right. Get the best QB you can get every year. That’s what every top program does. I would add that it’s okay to bring in an athlete too. A kid who maybe played multiple positions in HS - including QB. Be honest with them. Give them a chance to compete initially. If they don’t add enough, move them to a better position to fit their skill set. A Kevin Johnson or a Dee Brown here and there can really help fill out a roster.

I like this. Those marginal D-1 QBs but good athletes should the ability to make a throw on trick a play assuming they make it on the field in another offensive position

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Xavier Gaines, Cody Catalina, Rex Culpepper didn’t. Joe Fields was a decent safety, I guess, but he was supposed to be our next QB before being ruined at Purdue.

I’d rather recruit actual WRs/TEs.

What about Daryl Kennedy? He was a QB at one point I think as well. Pretty sure he was a Heisman candidate if you talked to a few of us after a spring game 15 years ago or whenever the hell that was

 

[007]

Here's a broader recruiting question that likely doesn't belong here. Why can Clemson recruit a WR that can become a stud LB when we have trouble recruiting LBs that can become stud LBs?

It's a good question, but using Clemson is not the best basis of comparison. Winning 2 of 3 of the last NCs, playing for 3 of 4, 28+ game winning streak, 8 consecutive seasons of 10+ wins, 4 total losses in the ACC since the 2011 season...kind of gives them access to the best talent in the country year after year after year.

 

[Chip]

You should recruit 1 QB every year. We struck out bad this year so far and the loss of Chance really hurt our roster.

Yr1 - kept Rex (medical)
Yr2 - DeVito (starter)
Yr3 - Amie (flunked out of school)
Yr4 - Summers (redshirting)
Yr5 - TBD - need that transfer AND a high school kid

Agree, one per year. If you don’t get it (mostly) right, it’s going to be an issue, but you can’t hijack the roster for one position.

If you want to stock up on some PWOs like Gunther, then by all means.

 

[sufandu]

It's a good question, but using Clemson is not the best basis of comparison. Winning 2 of 3 of the last NCs, playing for 3 of 4, 28+ game winning streak, 8 consecutive seasons of 10+ wins, 4 total losses in the ACC since the 2011 season...kind of gives them access to the best talent in the country year after year after year.

Ok, Clemson isn't the best example. But it's weird the way they can recruit every position so well and they end up recruiting a WR that beats out their LB recruits to become a stud LB?

 

[blizz]

You recruit one QB a year. Full stop. If you can take a solid developmental guy as a PWO, you do it. But you reserve one scholarship per class for a QB. Ideal roster balance should be 4 QBs, 1 each frosh through senior. This is exactly what we've done. Amie transferring out and the class overlap between Rex and Clayton have skewed the roster. As long as we bring one in each class, we'll be fine. Obviously, if we can grab Fortin we should. But one scholarship QB each of the next two classes puts us right back on track.