Rumor mill

[CarolinaCuse]

you can do the 30K at cornell. you need to do more with logistics dealing with parking. cornell has 2 large parking lots away from the football complex. if you had people walk in its probably a 10 min manley like walk. if you worked buses into the equation it wouldnt be much different than what they have now. you give the 2 local lots to the bigger money people and move the others in or let the walk. there is also a huge skytop type field/lot availble just off campus that was not there when the Dome was being built. its also about a 10 min walk. if you do parking in those lots the traffic issues get much better

Event management and operations are way different now on college campuses then the were in 1979. Unless there is some significant revenue generation, there is nothing in it for Cornell. Most universities plan major events on campus now when football games aren't being played (yes, even Ivys). Not surprising Cuse would want to go with the specialists on this (i.e., Ralph Wilson). Also, remember that MetLife would have to work Cuse games into both Jets and Giants games. I'm sure Cuse admin would want some kind of consistency for the team for the season (as much as possible).

 

[donniesyracuse]

Try Rt 104 to 370 to I-690 as an option. About the same time and no tolls.

I've made this run before as my wife grew up in Irondequoit. There is a short cut near Wolcott that will save you a couple mins too. Just PM me if you want more info.

That's how I go from Webster. It's frustrating sometimes when I get stuck behind slow trucks, but even on the unluckiest day it's faster than the highway.

 

[Alsacs]

I think Ithaca over UB Stadium for FB. As long as Cornell would step up capacity to 30k more season ticket holders would go to Ithaca than Buffalo.

For the VPI and FSU throw them to Metlife for paychecks and play NC State/Colgate/USF at Ithaca.

 

[Alsacs]

Event management and operations are way different now on college campuses then the were in 1979. Unless there is some significant revenue generation, there is nothing in it for Cornell. Most universities plan major events on campus now when football games aren't being played (yes, even Ivys). Not surprising Cuse would want to go with the specialists on this (i.e., Ralph Wilson). Also, remember that MetLife would have to work Cuse games into both Jets and Giants games. I'm sure Cuse admin would want some kind of consistency for the team for the season (as much as possible).

Cornell would be paid rent by Syracuse and I am sure SU would give them the $$$ to compensate them.
Playing less sexy teams at Ithaca would make more sense than at UB or in an NFL stadium.
If we had 28k in attendance at Ithaca it would be a true home field crowd less than 60 miles from campus. Metlife would have no problem with SU playing there. We played a night game last year vs. ND and then the Jets played a home game at 1pm the next day. Metlife would love FSU/VPI games along with ND already scheduled there next year.

 

[Cusester]

No comments in this thread from sutomcat or CTO. If anyone here knows something it would be them. Their absence gives me hope that something is actually in the works.

 

[BVille44]

I believe you. And from all the discussion I have heard it is not going to be a new stadium but a renovation of the existing one.

I have heard about plans to renovate the dome by connecting one end to Archibold and expanding the other end towards the law school with restaurants and additional space for media, meetings, etc. In addition, they will be installing individual seats bringing the capacity down to approximately 44,000. The renovated dome would have a hard roof and AC.

 

[CarolinaCuse]

Cornell would be paid rent by Syracuse and I am sure SU would give them the $$$ to compensate them.
Playing less s e xy teams at Ithaca would make more sense than at UB or in an NFL stadium.
If we had 28k in attendance at Ithaca it would be a true home field crowd less than 60 miles from campus. Metlife would have no problem with SU playing there. We played a night game last year vs. ND and then the Jets played a home game at 1pm the next day. Metlife would love FSU/VPI games along with ND already scheduled there next year.

Not disputing your logic but the likelihood of Cornell wanting something like this is very low. There are other events that would make money for Cornell other than a Cuse football game - particularly one against Colgate. It doesn't really matter that Cuse would be willing to pay rent, Cornell would still need to want to do it.

 

[Full_Rebar]

No comments in this thread from sutomcat or CTO. If anyone here knows something it would be them. Their absence gives me hope that something is actually in the works.

Something is in the works, and unless there is some major influx of NYS money, I think it's renovations at the current location. I've heard from people at SU that office are moving out of Archbold and that the Dome will connect in some way to that building. Some have said Archbold will have a restaurant, others just that it is all going to become recreations space.

 

[memcorsu]

Dan Bartle ,

get it done so I can walk to the games! If it is good enough for the Jets, it is good enough for SU. We have plenty of bleachers left over at the Jets playing field to add to the smaller side of the stadium.

http://www2.cortland.edu/community/stadium/

 

[CuseLegacy]

War Memorial is too small for all but the exhibition games.

How long would a renovation take? If you start renovation March 1st can you be done by January 1st? If so then only the OOC games will have to be moved. So we are talking about 8 games. Play 3 in Buffalo, 3 in Albany, and 2 in NYC (MSG or Barclays).

I had a discussion with someone about a timetable but at the time was discussing solely a fixed roof renovation.. Hypothetically if the Lax team would finish their season either on the road or outside construction of a fixed roof could begin beginning of April. Then if the FB team played a few of their first few home games at Buffalo construction could be finished by the end of September. That would give six months...which would be pushing it but could be done.

 

[Alsacs]

No comments in this thread from sutomcat or CTO. If anyone here knows something it would be them. Their absence gives me hope that something is actually in the works.

I trust the people posting here. Those two have direct lines thus honestly shouldn't leak anything. I believe when people like CuseLegacy OR Cuse78 post it.
I think we all know Syevrud wants to do something so finding out should be exciting. At worst we need to replace the Dome roof soon.

 

[Libero2]

Here's a look at a stadium in New Zealand designed by these Populous guys.

"Forsyth Barr Stadium is located in Dunedin, New Zealand, at 45 degrees South and is the most southerly professional stadium in the world."

And the pics of this place:

Could this space industry stuff hold the snow load?

You've got to wonder. But it sure looks cool.

I love this stadium and would enjoy the heck out of this. I don't know how it would handle snow and I don't know about potential shadows on the Bball court, but there don't appear to be shadow lines in these pictures. I would love for this to be the new stadium for SU athletics. I just hope that somehow someway it stays on campus.

 

[Scooch]

I had a discussion with someone about a timetable but at the time was discussing solely a fixed roof renovation.. Hypothetically if the Lax team would finish their season either on the road or outside construction of a fixed roof could begin beginning of April. Then if the FB team played a few of their first few home games at Buffalo construction could be finished by the end of September. That would give six months...which would be pushing it but could be done.

This timetable is what I've always figured. ~7 months for a roof replacement (a fixed one) then an ongoing, staggered renovation that involves the concourse expansion, seat replacement, etc.

I figured this s take a couple years, all in.

No games lost.

But I'm just negative so what do I know?

 

[JOC44]

The walls of the Dome were preformed slabs attached to anchors that I don't believe would support any other roof then is what there...without a major tear down...

I don't have any info on this at all, but I think you'd want a major tear down so it's not the same building and therefore not subject to the oppressive naming rights deal we have with Carrier.

 

[Chris02M]

This timetable is what I've always figured. ~7 months for a roof replacement (a fixed one) then an ongoing, staggered renovation that involves the concourse expansion, seat replacement, etc.

I figured this s take a couple years, all in.

No games lost.

But I'm just negative so what do I know?

that would make sense. do the main project of the roof first yr then do the rest the following yr since the roof is the most time consuming

 

[CusefanATL]

didn't someone post a video of the design of the new Atlanta Braves stadium with a retractable roof? I know I remember seeing it at one point and it was fabulous. I'm off to google to see if I can find it...

edit: it's not the Braves new stadium...what other stadiums are being built right now? Is it the Vikings?

falcons have a cool roof going in right now. Atl has $2 bil worth of stadiums being built simultaneously.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I had a discussion with someone about a timetable but at the time was discussing solely a fixed roof renovation.. Hypothetically if the Lax team would finish their season either on the road or outside construction of a fixed roof could begin beginning of April. Then if the FB team played a few of their first few home games at Buffalo construction could be finished by the end of September. That would give six months...which would be pushing it but could be done.

If construction doesn't start until the home basketball season ends (Feb 27 for the Men, the Women's ACC schedule isn't out yet), LAX could still play 3 Feb home games in the Dome.

We're at Virginia, Hopkins, Duke and Cornell in 2016, and the past few years they've sandwiched in a game at Kennesaw, GA in between.

The next home game would be vs Notre Dame during the last week of March. It could be warm enough to play outside by then.

 

[tipphill]

The word "negative" has been thrown around this board so casually the past few months that it's lost all meaning.

Negativity would be people saying why bother doing anything because the program stinks or the city is dying or whatever. But no one is saying that and I suspect if you had a poll nearly 100% of people here would be in favor of either massive Dome renovations or a brand new state-of-the-art stadium.

People are questioning whether SU has actually committed to building a retractable roof, while the OP said it's probably nothing and one other person said it's definite. I mean, clearly he responses have been blistering and devastating.

thrown around this board ? this board is is a microcasim

Well, she's an idiot, so there is that. I was talking with Rep. Katko about that stadium deal that she vetoed. His take was that had she been a savvy politician, she would have put on a nice face publicly, but behind closed doors would have put up a fuss and added a $5.00/ticket tax, in perpetuity, to find the city's fix up needs.

great take by the rep---netted syracuse 0$ ---plus added to the continuing saga that miner can't work with people---net gain 0, savvy politician net loss the city 0. i would be looking at kato if he thinks that is savvy---everyone moves on but syracuse and the savvy politician that is the "voice of the people"

 

[tipphill]

well if the Inner Harbor is actually a place being considered for a new stadium you have to hand it to Miner because that entire area sat idle for decades until she took office. Partially because Congel had the city handcuffed and that the state canal system didn't really give a damn what happened there.

I am in no way saying everything here is coming up roses but as a city resident for the past 20 years I've seen more progress with Miner, not seen since Young was mayor.

and how many years has been?????she has lost more than has been contributed---by FAR.

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

Why not just play all non-conf games on the road with an agreement to reciprocate at the revamped facility the following year. That way they load the next year's schedule with a ton of home games to show off the new place. For the conference games, one or two at Met-Life, and then the rest at Cornell.

 

[longtimefan]

Here's a look at a stadium in New Zealand designed by these Populous guys.

"Forsyth Barr Stadium is located in Dunedin, New Zealand, at 45 degrees South and is the most southerly professional stadium in the world."

And the pics of this place:

Could this space industry stuff hold the snow load?

You've got to wonder. But it sure looks cool.

Well, we're roughly 45 degrees N latitude. So I would guess that a city located at 45 degrees S gets some snow too.

 

[CuseOnly]

I don't have any info on is at all, But I think you'd want a major tear down so it's not the same building and therefore not subject to the oppressive naming rights deal we have with Carrier.

Maybe they have renegotiated their deal with Carrier so they keep the name and will have to pay for the naming rights going forward.

It is a possibility.

 

[tipphill]

I can't disagree with the assessment of the mayor, she is a stubborn bullhead and it didn't help that she wouldn't glad hand Cuomo. She's also out after this term.

Buffalo isn't a good comparison considering it's the 2nd largest city in the state and the Guv just handed them a billion dollars. Rochester is a bit closer in comparison.

And what BS are you referring to regarding the amphitheater? I can tell you that the republican members of the county legislature will stop at nothing to disagree with Mahoney on every point. Most especially the guy from Manlius, he can't stand her.

WHY DID THE GOV DO THAT? did they have a plan, a cooperative gov't, out of the box mentality with sustainability growth?? or did cry about pension plans and water lines w/o discussing compromise.--gov't handouts is what she wants. if what you say is true, it would be because they would want to distance themselves from the city---maybe they would not if they had some one to work with

 

[JOC44]

Maybe they have renegotiated their deal with Carrier so they keep the name and will have to pay for the naming rights going forward.

It is a possibility.

That would make sense. In all honesty, the school is better off keeping the Carrier name if they can for roughly the same value they could get on the market to change the name to something else. The public already associates the Carrier Dome with SU.

 

[tipphill]

Well, she's an idiot, so there is that. I was talking with Rep. Katko about that stadium deal that she vetoed. His take was that had she been a savvy politician, she would have put on a nice face publicly, but behind closed doors would have put up a fuss and added a $5.00/ticket tax, in perpetuity, to find the city's fix up needs.

and did nothing as she can't work with anyone ---that is really savvy--syracuse got NOTHING.---did kato get anything to help\:bat: