Rumor mill

[OrangeViking]

"I appreciate the sharing of information by the op and others." As the op I have to mention that I have no inside information. I heard a rumor and posted it to see if it had legs.

Good Job

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Getting out of the city is way easier than getting in when there is any type of game traffic. It hasn't really helped with recruiting, part of the reason they are ending the Metlife series in NYC.

Metlife isn't in the city. The drive is all highway driving. From campus it is 240 miles. If you only go the speed limit and do not hit a lot of traffic you will get there in 3.5 hours. SU hosts recruits during games. Do you think it will be easier to get kids to Buffalo or NYC?

The same drive from campus to the Ralph is 2.25 hours is 1.25 hours really that big a deal?

 

[CuseOnly]

Metlife isn't in the city. The drive is all highway driving. From campus it is 240 miles. If you only go the speed limit and do not hit a lot of traffic you will get there in 3.5 hours. SU hosts recruits during games. Do you think it will be easier to get kids to Buffalo or NYC?

The same drive from campus to the Ralph is 2.25 hours is 1.25 hours really that big a deal?

If the kids are flying in, there will be no difference in how easy it is to get there or back.

 

[tipphill]

Is there confirmation anywhere that the people you think were being negative are from the CNY?

I understand what you're saying but as a current Syr resident it bothers me because I think the negativity tag gets thrown around pretty loosely based on the idiots that post on Syracuse.com when there is little actual proof that most of those idiots actually reside here.

As far as the mayor goes...I did not agree with her decision to nix the stadium deal however I understood her stance. There are a ton of positives going on here right now because of forward thinking people. The amphitheater being one of them as well as all the new apartments in the city in retrofitted factory space.

thats right---they work around the mayor--pressure needs to be brought---without su the city is nothing--why are we lagging the other major cities?? i think its a valid question----as a FORMER TIPPHILL RESIDENT FOR MANY YEARS--- i again ask why rochester,buffalo etal dwarf syracuse in every category

 

[tipphill]

Is there confirmation anywhere that the people you think were being negative are from the CNY?

I understand what you're saying but as a current Syr resident it bothers me because I think the negativity tag gets thrown around pretty loosely based on the idiots that post on Syracuse.com when there is little actual proof that most of those idiots actually reside here.

As far as the mayor goes...I did not agree with her decision to nix the stadium deal however I understood her stance. There are a ton of positives going on here right now because of forward thinking people. The amphitheater being one of them as well as all the new apartments in the city in retrofitted factory space.

yes there is its called lack of progress---the theater is progress despite the bs that went with it. downtown apts are really great--make them town homes --you have ownership

 

[Stern]

The only people who would go to either are die hard SU fans. We are talking 20-25k people. While Buffalo might be a little more convenient for those people, it is in the team's best interest to have a home field advantage in a small intimate stadium. If those die hards are going no matter what migth as well help the team.

What SU should try to do if they have to play a full season in Buffalo is see if they can get those SU games in Buffalo on the Saturday before a Bills game the next day. Then do a package deal for fans to get tickets to the SU game and the Bills game and a hotel room and Bus ride to and from that weekend. I'm guessing many locals (casual fans) won't drive to Buffalo on their own for an SU Football game, make it a weekend package deal with 2 games with hotel and bus transportation...people would do that. Would involve working with the Bills and NFL to set it up but that would be SU's best option.

 

[KellySyracuse]

thats right---they work around the mayor--pressure needs to be brought---without su the city is nothing--why are we lagging the other major cities?? i think its a valid question----as a FORMER TIPPHILL RESIDENT FOR MANY YEARS--- i again ask why rochester,buffalo etal dwarf syracuse in every category

I can't disagree with the assessment of the mayor, she is a stubborn bullhead and it didn't help that she wouldn't glad hand Cuomo. She's also out after this term.

Buffalo isn't a good comparison considering it's the 2nd largest city in the state and the Guv just handed them a billion dollars. Rochester is a bit closer in comparison.

And what BS are you referring to regarding the amphitheater? I can tell you that the republican members of the county legislature will stop at nothing to disagree with Mahoney on every point. Most especially the guy from Manlius, he can't stand her.

 

[Alsacs]

Metlife makes more sense than Wilson and this is coming from somebody who isn't a fan of the Metlife games.
Attendance won't be that much different between NYC and Buffalo. If Ithaca could step up temp seats to get to 30k we should try to play there as well.
Lacrosse could play at the soccer stadium. Basketball would use War Memorial/MSG and maybe a few games at Pepsi Arena in Albany.

 

[tipphill]

Is there confirmation anywhere that the people you think were being negative are from the CNY?

I understand what you're saying but as a current Syr resident it bothers me because I think the negativity tag gets thrown around pretty loosely based on the idiots that post on Syracuse.com when there is little actual proof that most of those idiots actually reside here.

As far as the mayor goes...I did not agree with her decision to nix the stadium deal however I understood her stance. There are a ton of positives going on here right now because of forward thinking people. The amphitheater being one of them as all the new apartments in the city in retrofitted factory space.

keep understanding her stance , it has the mentality of 50yrs ago---fix the sewers and the pension plan with state handouts, but no plan for sustainability,jobs, growth of any kind

 

[TexanMark]

Irondequoit for me. Your right. Buffalo seem shorter for some reason to me.

Try Rt 104 to 370 to I-690 as an option. About the same time and no tolls.

I've made this run before as my wife grew up in Irondequoit. There is a short cut near Wolcott that will save you a couple mins too. Just PM me if you want more info.

 

[money3189]

Try Rt 104 to 370 to I-690 as an option. About the same time and no tolls.

Will do

 

[upperdeck]

you can do the 30K at cornell. you need to do more with logistics dealing with parking. cornell has 2 large parking lots away from the football complex. if you had people walk in its probably a 10 min manley like walk. if you worked buses into the equation it wouldnt be much different than what they have now. you give the 2 local lots to the bigger money people and move the others in or let the walk. there is also a huge skytop type field/lot availble just off campus that was not there when the Dome was being built. its also about a 10 min walk. if you do parking in those lots the traffic issues get much better

 

[ForCuseSake]

what amazes me about a post that is possible great news and maybe is just rumor,is how the typical city of syracuse mentality of how you cannot do something, that gets such negativity on this site. one of the reason that the city is so backward is the depressive rust belt mentality and lack of vision. negativity is syracuse's biggest enemy. its always why we can't do rather than how can we make it happen. i am a huge cny fan --fingerlakes guy. the city mentality is blight on a otherwise beautiful area. funny how buffalo,rochester and other cities progress and syracuse regresses--there's food for thought. i now live in bethlehem pa ---you should what they have done with phase 1&2 of the old steel mill. its called steel stacks. bethlehem is a can do city, syracuse should take a lesson. i appreciate the sharing of the information by the op and others in the loop and am excited by ANY movement su takes to advance their status AS WELL AS THE CITY OF SYRACUSE,despite the archaic thinking mayor ----

I lived in Bethle-Jam from 1996-2000 and that place was nearly identical to what Syracuse has become today. Beth Steel closed its mill in South Bethlehem in 1995 and South Bethlehem was a stuffe-hole.

As a Syracuse townie who went to an equally overpriced, albeit higher academically rated, NE private school (Lehigh) SU students dont know what stuffty townies are (granted, I'm referring to 15-20 years ago).

Bethlehem owes its renaissance to 2 changes - legalization of casinos/gambling by the PA governor and my alma mater gentrifying many of the blighted neighborhoods up to the river in South Bethlehem.

They turned the old steel mill into a Sands Casino but aside from historical Bethlehem (similar to nice neighborhoods in the city of Syracuse) that area hasn't improved all that much.

Roch & Buff have educational institutions with far less adversarial relationships to local govt than Cuse - that's my humble opinion as to why they've jumped on the Meds & Eds train faster than Syracuse.

Roch has more local universities than Cuse and Buffalo has a magnet for state funding in the form of UB. Syverud sounds like he wants to fast track SU to bringing more Meds & Ed stuff to Syracuse. That'll do exponentially more than TWO's corridor BS.

Edit - spell check turned shitey (dookie) into stuffy. Townies were the opposite of stuffy.

 

[cuseguy]

If the kids are flying in, there will be no difference in how easy it is to get there or back.

Kids from the metro area usually drive there. MetLife is better for recruiting.

 

[Chip]

Is there any chance we could build a stadium in one of these other locations, like Drumlins, right now, and then play there while they renovate the Dome roof?

That's my choice.

 

[AZOrange]

This thread is insane. But not as insane as a retractable roof would be. I think given Populous we probably have a good idea what it will look like. I for one am in the just build a new facility offsite camp. That will be a better long term option for SU and allows us to play at home.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Metlife makes more sense than Wilson and this is coming from somebody who isn't a fan of the Metlife games.
Attendance won't be that much different between NYC and Buffalo. If Ithaca could step up temp seats to get to 30k we should try to play there as well.
Lacrosse could play at the soccer stadium. Basketball would use War Memorial/MSG and maybe a few games at Pepsi Arena in Albany.

War Memorial is too small for all but the exhibition games.

How long would a renovation take? If you start renovation March 1st can you be done by January 1st? If so then only the OOC games will have to be moved. So we are talking about 8 games. Play 3 in Buffalo, 3 in Albany, and 2 in NYC (MSG or Barclays).

 

[SyracuseMiami]

Is there any chance we could build a stadium in one of these other locations, like Drumlins, right now, and then play there while they renovate the Dome roof?

That's my choice.

Hard to see how that would make economic sense. Personally I don't see an issue with moving games for one season if there is a promise of an upgraded stadium. That said, if they choose another location we just stay at the dome till it's done. Hope if this is true that it stays on campus or close by with well organized transport from the campus and other gathering points. Nobody does that better than the Denver Broncos bus system.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

you can do the 30K at cornell. you need to do more with logistics dealing with parking. cornell has 2 large parking lots away from the football complex. if you had people walk in its probably a 10 min manley like walk. if you worked buses into the equation it wouldnt be much different than what they have now. you give the 2 local lots to the bigger money people and move the others in or let the walk. there is also a huge skytop type field/lot availble just off campus that was not there when the Dome was being built. its also about a 10 min walk. if you do parking in those lots the traffic issues get much better

Personally I rather we play at Cornell but UB makes the most sense for the majority of our fans. Out of all the possibilities (Cornell, UB, Ralph Wilson, MetLife, Yankee Stadium, Michie Stadium) IMO Ralph Wilson is the worst choice. Having 25k fans in a 70k stadium kills home field advantage.

Cornell would be 25k in 25k stadium
UB would be 25k in a 30k stadium
The Ralph would be 25k in a 70k stadium
Metlife would be 25-40k in a 80k stadium (the extra people would be FSU or VA Tech fans for those games)
Yankee would be 25-40k in a 50k stadium
Michie would be 25k in a 38k stadium

How is the Ralph not the worst choice? UB is the best choice.

 

[Alsacs]

War Memorial is too small for all but the exhibition games.

How long would a renovation take? If you start renovation March 1st can you be done by January 1st? If so then only the OOC games will have to be moved. So we are talking about 8 games. Play 3 in Buffalo, 3 in Albany, and 2 in NYC (MSG or Barclays).

Wow I just looked they only seat 8k in that arena. Yeaj we couldn't use War Memorial. I doubt the renovations would be done by January 1st. If we leave the Dome Basketball will have to move for 1 year.
Blue Cross Arena in Rochester seats 13k I would think that could work. Use Rochester/Albany/MSG for 1 year.

 

[Jake]

I bet building availability is factored into the decision.

 

[Toga]

Metlife makes more sense than Wilson and this is coming from somebody who isn't a fan of the Metlife games.
Attendance won't be that much different between NYC and Buffalo. If Ithaca could step up temp seats to get to 30k we should try to play there as well.
Lacrosse could play at the soccer stadium. Basketball would use War Memorial/MSG and maybe a few games at Pepsi Arena in Albany.

Maybe more than a few.

 

[TexanMark]

Michie is not a choice...trust me. We would never be able to move our games there.

 

[KellySyracuse]

yes there is its called lack of progress---the theater is progress despite the bs that went with it. downtown apts are really great--make them town homes --you have ownership

well if the Inner Harbor is actually a place being considered for a new stadium you have to hand it to Miner because that entire area sat idle for decades until she took office. Partially because Congel had the city handcuffed and that the state canal system didn't really give a damn what happened there.

I am in no way saying everything here is coming up roses but as a city resident for the past 20 years I've seen more progress with Miner, not seen since Young was mayor.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

keep understanding her stance , it has the mentality of 50yrs ago---fix the sewers and the pension plan with state handouts, but no plan for sustainability,jobs, growth of any kind

Well, she's an idiot, so there is that. I was talking with Rep. Katko about that stadium deal that she vetoed. His take was that had she been a savvy politician, she would have put on a nice face publicly, but behind closed doors would have put up a fuss and added a $5.00/ticket tax, in perpetuity, to find the city's fix up needs.