As much as I would love to see Dungey translate to a Tay Hill at the next level, just don't see it. Watching Eric run, I thought to myself, how the hell does he do it? He looks slower than many other qbs even at the college level. Especially even more slower this year with his bulk muscle added into his frame. Maybe Eric gets a chance to be a emergency 3rd qb/ backup rb,te/special teams player? But, is there a spot like that with each roster spot being so precious these days...Hill is certainly a step quicker, but I disagree that there’s no comparison at all. The point was that he’ll have to make noise as a situational type player.
Never compared Eric to Taysom, just said if ED was to ever be on a 53 man roster it wouldn’t be as a full time under center quarterback it would have to be a Taysom Hill type situation, and I’m not even sure if that’s obtainable if I’m being honest. Just think that’s his only chance.Hill runs a 4.4 40 !!!!! No comparison at all .
ED was a fun Qb very unique can’t really compare him to anyone .
I'm not sold on the lack of accuracy argument either...especially when you compare to other college careers.He is Doug flutie with 6 more inches.
Not the strongest arm, not the most accurate, not the fastest but is an ultimate playmaker and leader who seems to play best when stage is biggest
Never...NEVER...say never. It might not age well.Never compared Eric to Taysom, just said if ED was to ever be on a 53 man roster it wouldn’t be as a full time under center quarterback it would have to be a Taysom Hill type situation, and I’m not even sure if that’s obtainable if I’m being honest. Just think that’s his only chance.
Oh I agree with you. You did a bit of putting words in my mouth if you read my post again.I'm not sold on the lack of accuracy argument either...especially when you compare to other college careers.
ED is a career 61.4% passer. Here are some college career stats for perspective.
Phillip Rivers...63.6%
Peyton Manning...62.5%
Tom Brady...61.9%
Eric Dungy...61.4%
Drew Brees...61.1%
Eli Manning...60.8%
Ryan Nassib...60.3%
Taysom Hill...58.2%
Josh Allen...56.2%
SOME NFL Gm's are good at analyzing talent. The smart ones will see a college QB who had to run the ball or there would have been no effective running game. And that's what Dino saw as well. What you have to extrapolate is how much better his passing game would be if he didn't have to be the running game. I think that improves his stats considerably. The intangibles he brings to an organization are off the charts: Super high intelligence, unyielding competitiveness and will to win, and a highly likable and articulate media face of the team. He will get a chance, no doubt.
Showing my age but . . . Roger StaubachDungey is more like Russell Wilson than any other current NFL QB.
Never meant to put words in your mouth or imply that your post was negative. Actually, just the opposite. I know you'd understand the point I was attempting to make without taking it personal.Oh I agree with you. You did a bit of putting words in my mouth if you read my post again.
I didn’t say NOT accurate, Weak arm, slow. I am just pointing out that he is not well above average/elite at any particular skill. For example accuracy I would put >65% as very good/elite.
I think Eric has GOOD accuracy, arm strength, mobility but usually those things together do not make an NFL QB. But, I think when you combine those with his 6’4” frame, leadership skills and ability to elevate performance when things get “big” then you have a cocktail where GOOD accuracy, arm strength, mobility may get you a shot in the NFL.
Just curious...what numbers don't extrapolate?Very good points about "intangibles." I highly doubt ED gets drafted based on QB talent; the NFL will not extrapolate his numbers, they will use tape, Pro day workout, and the Combine (if he gets invited). If he gets a shot it will be because of the intangibles you mentioned.
I have no doubt that he will get a FA tryout. As SU fans know, don't bet against Eric if he gets a shot.
Take a guess how many clinically diagnosed concussions ED has sustained?He is also injury prone and was a concussion away from possibly never playing again. I worry for his health in the NFL,
Just curious...what numbers don't extrapolate?
Dungey is more like Russell Wilson than any other current NFL QB.
All I think about that is, put a back like Etienne in the Syracuse backfield with Dungey and then see what he stats are like. It's not a crazy jump of logic to think that if a QB doesn't get pounded and winded from running, that he would throw the ball more effectively. And if a defense had to put more resources to stopping a real effective runner, the QB has time to look downfield and the receivers will be less covered because of the necessity of stopping the run and often tackling him in the secondary after he breaks containment. For the most part until latter in the season when Moe emerged, the only guy forcing that was Dungey.Very good points about "intangibles." I highly doubt ED gets drafted based on QB talent; the NFL will not extrapolate his numbers, they will use tape, Pro day workout, and the Combine (if he gets invited). If he gets a shot it will be because of the intangibles you mentioned.
I have no doubt that he will get a FA tryout. As SU fans know, don't bet against Eric if he gets a shot.
Yes, that's the man. Wisconsin could actually run the ball down your throat. And Beast Mode, well you get the point. You think Russel would have put those stats up at SU over the last couple of years ?The Russell Wilson who set the single season FBS record passing efficiency and is the and has the second highest NFL career passer rating of all time behind Aaron Rodgers? That Russell Wilson?
I'm not taking sides in this but...Wilson's completion % for his 3 years at NCST was 57.8% based on an average of 393 attempts/yrYes, that's the man. Wisconsin could actually run the ball down your throat. And Beast Mode, well you get the point. You think Russel would have put those stats up at SU over the last couple of years ?
I'm not sold on the lack of accuracy argument either...especially when you compare to other college careers.
ED is a career 61.4% passer. Here are some college career stats for perspective.
Phillip Rivers...63.6%
Peyton Manning...62.5%
Tom Brady...61.9%
Eric Dungy...61.4%
Drew Brees...61.1%
Eli Manning...60.8%
Ryan Nassib...60.3%
Taysom Hill...58.2%
Josh Allen...56.2%
I agree about his ft. When he is set and not leaning back he can throw well. When he isn’t set he throws a bit weak.He also threw some ducks but, IMO, when his footwork is in sync, he has more than enough arm to make all the throws.
When he sits and delivers he has above average velocity. I honestly believe that this myth about arm strength will be dispelled at Pro-day or when he works out for scouts at SU.