Scott Frost thread...

[GoSU96]

Nobody knows what you are talking about as usual and yes, I want the process that brought DOUG MARRONE here.

This program isn't in a crisis. Gross had the hire ripped from him because he couldn't close with his top two candidates (thank god).

 

[Bayside44]

Nobody knows what you are talking about as usual and yes, I want the process that brought DOUG MARRONE here.

The process where Skip Holtz was offered but his dad told him to turn it down, Randy Edsall turning it down because he said no way i ever work for that a-hole (Gross), a bunch of us sitting here with a a booster of Al Golden who thought it was his then Tim Green comes in and fixes it?

 

[HOFCeluck]

nzm made me see the light. OPTION. BALL CONTROL. ESTABLISH THE RUN. SMASH MOUTH!

 

[HOFCeluck]

Let's just do the same thing we've been doing. Has football changed much since 1991? Doubt it. What's Deleones number?

 

[OrangeAggieArmy]

Wishbone!

 

[NineOneSeven]

These threads have been on fire lately.

GOLD JERRY... GOLD.

 

[Millhouse]

I guess that's a knock on Marrone but, as with Scooch, nobody knows what you're talking about either. But you amuse yourself so be happy.

marrone was a former NFL player who made his name working for an innovative offensive head coach

frost is a former NFL player who made his name working for an innovative offensive head coach

but you think frost is more like gerg than marrone.

 

[Scooch]

Nobody knows what you are talking about as usual and yes, I want the process that brought DOUG MARRONE here.

As usual?

Words hurt, man.

 

[Scooch]

marrone was a former NFL player who made his name working for an innovative offensive head coach

frost is a former NFL player who made his name working for an innovative offensive head coach

but you think frost is more like gerg than marrone.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? NO ONE UNDERSTANDS YOU!

 

[SaltineWarrior]

Have you watched HS football lately in NJ, PA, OH? The type of players you want are rare even in this area of the country. EVERYONE runs the spread now. Unless you're planning to recruit from Class C NY cow town schools that still run the Wing T.

Actually yes as my son runs plays QB for a small team in the Metro NY area suburbs. Absolutely at the HS level there are more mistakes made in these offenses (missed snaps, poor timing, more chances for incompletions or INTs). Forget the fact that it is a terrible offense in short yardage situations.

I realize I sound like a dinosaur and I realize kids want to throw the ball all over the place. Heck I felt the same way when I played back in the 80s. Regarding SU, I have yet to see the type of roster (notice I didn't say QB or receivers) that can support this approach. That is why I say we should gear the offense around what the players why typically come to SU can play and be successful. If we were in a place like Miami or USF, I would not share this same view.

Just because a lot of people (not everyone) runs this offense doesn't mean its right. Lots of teams ran the wishbone too back in the day.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Actually yes as my son runs plays QB for a small team in the Metro NY area suburbs. Absolutely at the HS level there are more mistakes made in these offenses (missed snaps, poor timing, more chances for incompletions or INTs). Forget the fact that it is a terrible offense in short yardage situations.

I realize I sound like a dinosaur and I realize kids want to throw the ball all over the place. Heck I felt the same way when I played back in the 80s. Regarding SU, I have yet to see the type of roster (notice I didn't say QB or receivers) that can support this approach. That is why I say we should gear the offense around what the players why typically come to SU can play and be successful. If we were in a place like Miami or USF, I would not share this same view.

Just because a lot of people (not everyone) runs this offense doesn't mean its right. Lots of teams ran the wishbone too back in the day.

We also used to ride horses and read by candlelight. Things change.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Sorry, this thread just screamed for it

 

[Ozcuse]

Actually yes as my son runs plays QB for a small team in the Metro NY area suburbs. Absolutely at the HS level there are more mistakes made in these offenses (missed snaps, poor timing, more chances for incompletions or INTs). Forget the fact that it is a terrible offense in short yardage situations.

I realize I sound like a dinosaur and I realize kids want to throw the ball all over the place. Heck I felt the same way when I played back in the 80s. Regarding SU, I have yet to see the type of roster (notice I didn't say QB or receivers) that can support this approach. That is why I say we should gear the offense around what the players why typically come to SU can play and be successful. If we were in a place like Miami or USF, I would not share this same view.

Just because a lot of people (not everyone) runs this offense doesn't mean its right. Lots of teams ran the wishbone too back in the day.

Honest question, what type of offense does our roster support?

In my humble opinion I would think an offense where we can utilize skill guys that don't have prototypical size but have speed would make most sense. I liked some of what Lester was doing but we were going through way too many QB's with designed runs so I would prefer to go to a quicker spread pass style to limit exposure to our most important position.

 

[SaltineWarrior]

Honest question, what type of offense does our roster support?

In my humble opinion I would think an offense where we can utilize skill guys that don't have prototypical size but have speed would make most sense. I liked some of what Lester was doing but we were going through way too many QB's with designed runs so I would prefer to go to a quicker spread pass style to limit exposure to our most important position.

The current roster may not support this, but I believe the recruiting base could support essentially a pro style. I'd like to see one where a FB does have an actual role and a few bigger tailbacks along with the big guys up front who will pound it down the defense's throat. I'm not saying don't throw the ball; far from it actually.

I think we agree on the part about Lester. Some of what he does is OK but we seem to go back to the same well too often. I sensed NC State started to recognize that as the game went on. Crossing patterns would help reduce the time needed to maintain blocks and therefore limit the exposure for the QB to be hit, but that is easier for the bigger guys. Heck a roll out is fine to keep a team honest.

Running in between the tackles with size and perhaps a real blocking back can neutralize a faster defense's advantage. It can also give the SU defense an much needed break, something this team failed to do this year.

Just one idiot's opinion...

 

[Dcuse]

marrone was a former NFL player who made his name working for an innovative offensive head coach

frost is a former NFL player who made his name working for an innovative offensive head coach

but you think frost is more like gerg than marrone.

The main attraction to Marrone was his relationships with High school coaches in our recruiting ground. It was a main contributor,along with other things, to Robinson's undoing. I don't know for sure that Frost won't be great here. I just have a bad feeling about hiring another west coast guy who needs time to build relationships in our ground again. It's a dejavu feeling that makes me uncomfortable.

 

[Dcuse]

As usual?

Words hurt, man.

Sorry, passion getting the best of me. I see you are attacking me too so maybe we are even and can stop our pettiness.

 

[upperdeck]

if you fix the oline you can run any offense you want.

 

[cuseguy]

We play 2 games every other year in possible cold weather. That's 2 out of 24. 22 in a controlled environment or in warm weather. (How'd I do Millhouse?)

Houston looked like a different team in the cold at UConn.

But If we can win all our home games and a few on the road, I guess it won't matter.

 

[Scooch]

Sorry, passion getting the best of me. I see you are attacking me too so maybe we are even and can stop our pettiness.

Cool. I never mean to attack anyone, really. I just like to poke fun. It's a message board about something that we have absolutely zero influence on. It's just a diversion.

 

[Millhouse]

The main attraction to Marrone was his relationships with High school coaches in our recruiting ground. It was a main contributor,along with other things, to Robinson's undoing. I don't know for sure that Frost won't be great here. I just have a bad feeling about hiring another west coast guy who needs time to build relationships in our ground again. It's a dejavu feeling that makes me uncomfortable.

i think it was about a guy coming home to bring a great dome passing offense to the dome.

Syracuse is pretty young so the new guy doesn't have to be the greatest recruiter immediately. and we have better facilities that should help, might have the luxury of not being so tied to recruiting networks. and our recruiting ground isn't that great anyway.

i wish there wasn't a tradeoff between good schemes and geographical recruiting network but right now around here i think there is

 

[Scooch]

The main attraction to Marrone was his relationships with High school coaches in our recruiting ground. It was a main contributor,along with other things, to Robinson's undoing. I don't know for sure that Frost won't be great here. I just have a bad feeling about hiring another west coast guy who needs time to build relationships in our ground again. It's a dejavu feeling that makes me uncomfortable.

*Alert, not attacking you, just discussing*

I don't know that was the "main" attraction with Marrone. He hadn't coached up here for quite a while when he was hired - 3 years with the Saints, 4 years with the Jets, 1 year in Tennesee, 1 year in Georgia, 4 years at GaTech preceded his hiring here. I know he had some relationships from his NYJ stint, but he was about as removed from the grind of northeast recruiting as many of the potential candidates that are being bandied about right now.

I recall his appeal was his alumni status and his stated ambition to be the coach here for a long time, along with the binder of his plans. And to be fair, Marrone put a LOT of emphasis on recruiting the NYC area, and I think those results were mixed at best.

I think there's a lot of ways to skin a cat. I wouldn't rule most anyone out at this point, honestly, just because of where they've been coaching recently.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

nzm made me see the light. OPTION. BALL CONTROL. ESTABLISH THE RUN. SMASH MOUTH!

You're concussed. Don't look directly at the light.

 

[Dcuse]

*Alert, not attacking you, just discussing*

I don't know that was the "main" attraction with Marrone. He hadn't coached up here for quite a while when he was hired - 3 years with the Saints, 4 years with the Jets, 1 year in Tennesee, 1 year in Georgia, 4 years at GaTech preceded his hiring here. I know he had some relationships from his NYJ stint, but he was about as removed from the grind of northeast recruiting as many of the potential candidates that are being bandied about right now.

I recall his appeal was his alumni status and his stated ambition to be the coach here for a long time, along with the binder of his plans. And to be fair, Marrone put a LOT of emphasis on recruiting the NYC area, and I think those results were mixed at best.

I think there's a lot of ways to skin a cat. I wouldn't rule most anyone out at this point, honestly, just because of where they've been coaching recently.

The "binder" you mentioned was filled with High school coaches not only from NYC area but throughout NJ. Many of them brought their teams up for camps that the Jets ran for the kids. Point being,he did have many contacts in some fairly fertile recruiting grounds of our geography.

 

[Millhouse]

The "binder" you mentioned was filled with High school coaches not only from NYC area but throughout NJ. Many of them brought their teams up for camps that the Jets ran for the kids. Point being,he did have many contacts in some fairly fertile recruiting grounds of our geography.

supposedly he left because of the facilities though (who knows). his contacts didn't really get us that far in recruiting. marrone's lack of success recruiting is part of the reason why i'm less concerned about getting someone from far away

 

[supp]

Good luck running a warm weather offense against @Pitt and @BC in December, and good luck out-Florida-ing FSU and Clemson.

Have you been to Lubbock, TX or Puyallup, WA in the Fall/early Winter?