Shafer doesn't have the intelligence for this position

[Millhouse]

How often do you see any team do that?

Nc state dome

 

[VirginiaOrange]

I was more irritated that we didn't go for 2 in 2nd overtime than that. Our defense couldn't stop anything at that point. I'd rather us lose the game on our terms than theirs.

You are exactly right. I was at the game with the OT action right in front of my seats. The SU defense was not going to stop anyone - they were completely gassed. I told my UVA friends that SU would go for two after the second TD and was dumbfounded when they did not as anyone in the stadium could see that the defense was spent (as shown by a guy who gained nothing on 4 carries running through the defense at the end).

 

[RoatanCuse]

Too many teams have come out of nowhere the past 15 years and found the road to success, while SU flounders and points to "next year". We are still near the bottom in recruiting in the ACC. Therein lies part of the answer. The other part is game management. WE are the new doormat. Sad to see after seeing our fine, proud program at its' former heights.

 

[rrlbees]

How many games go to double overtime?

45 went at least 2 OT's since 2008. So that's 6 per year.

 

[tep624]

Normally I would agree, but our defense was not stopping them at all and our offense was not exactly a juggernaut against them. I was always told that you play for the tie (and overtime) at home, and for the win on the road. I was also annoyed that he didn't use a time out and let UVA run the clock down to 2 seconds before they attempted a FG. We would have gotten a chance to do something...maybe a return...maybe a couple of pass completions to get in FG range. Trying to freeze a sr. kicker from gimme range was a waste of a TO.

Yep. I couldn't understand why we would let the clock run down at the end of the 4th quarter. I think we had all 3 TO's left. 30 seconds isn't much but with a good return or a big play we could have had a shot at a game winning FG.

 

[Cusefan78]

Yep. I couldn't understand why we would let the clock run down at the end of the 4th quarter. I think we had all 3 TO's left. 30 seconds isn't much but with a good return or a big play we could have had a shot at a game winning FG.

I have come to learn when shafer was saying hard nosed he was talking about his defense. Other then the fake punts that he keeps calling and in my opinion are no brain calls he has yet to make any kind of call that's hard nosed. Why he let that clock run down when they got that close is beyond me. Why the offense goes into conservative mode when it has struggled all year when doing that is beyond me. To me the offense works best when they need to score. They start passing down field. The minute we start the run run option it's over. Lester and shafer need to push the throttle down and keep it down. Could you picture hackets offense we had nassibs Sr. Year with the player we have now.

 

[alphaorange]

Yep. I couldn't understand why we would let the clock run down at the end of the 4th quarter. I think we had all 3 TO's left. 30 seconds isn't much but with a good return or a big play we could have had a shot at a game winning FG.

I happened to notice that UVA ran at least 3 plays that took less than 6 seconds..one of them for a 20 yard pass attempt. With 2 TOs to use and 1 to save for a FG, there was plenty of time.

 

[tep624]

I have come to learn when shafer was saying hard nosed he was talking about his defense. Other then the fake punts that he keeps calling and in my opinion are no brain calls he has yet to make any kind of call that's hard nosed. Why he let that clock run down when they got that close is beyond me. Why the offense goes into conservative mode when it has struggled all year when doing that is beyond me. To me the offense works best when they need to score. They start passing down field. The minute we start the run run option it's over. Lester and shafer need to push the throttle down and keep it down. Could you picture hackets offense we had nassibs Sr. Year with the player we have now.

I agree completely. Doing the same things that haven't worked over and over again and expecting them to work is lunacy.

 

[Brooky03]

The FG was missed right by maybe a couple yards and it had the distance, no? If we went for it and couldn't get the yard, coach would get criticism for that, too. I was okay with the FG attempt, especially considering how close it was to being good. And there's no way you can assume we score a TD on that possession. Ultimately, the defense screwed the pooch, not the offense. We allowed a 7 hour long drive to send the game into OT.

OP makes a 48 yard FG sound impossible. Good high school kickers who don't go to college as kickers have made 48 yard field goals. It's not an easy kick but it's one you expect your college kicker to have a better than 50/50 chance of making.

 

[DocFlanders]

How often do you see any team do that?

While probably not the norm, but given the circumstances, I was screaming to do it. Because I feared what would happen actually happened. Cuse had in effect showed it would not stop anything on D. Granted, had we not made it, Shafer would still have been set on fire. I can argue kicking the extra point all day long, but knowing the Cuse as only a fervent fan, I would have gone for it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If we went for it and couldn't get the yard, coach would get criticism for that, too.

I've personally committed to never criticize the staff for going for it.

 

[Brooky03]

I've personally committed to never criticize the staff for going for it.

You're in the minority

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You're in the minority

That makes me feel special.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

If we had gone for 2 and not made it many here would have flipped out.

The sameNumber that were upset that we use a shotgun on 3 and a yard for a Td. The same that we use a shotgun and a up play from the one yard line on 4th down. The same number that didnt believe hard nose wouldnt go for a first with 2 yards to go but insteadf tried a 49 yard fg. The same number that were upset and the inane play selection the offense used in the second half. ETC.

 

[FAL]

Against the wind

Into the sun

On a Saturday

In October

Before dinner

With a crowd watching

Paper due on Monday

Girl friend watching

Teammates stressed

Coach on the hot seat

Board on meltdown

Etc

I know it's not a haiku, but you still nailed it with the imagery!

 

[PhatOrange]

all the talk about not going under center inside the 3 yard line i'm curious why i saw numerous teams all weekend long do the same thing?

The problem wasn't the shotgun. It was running the ball to Robinson and Palmer's side of the line.

 

[Millhouse]

all the talk about not going under center inside the 3 yard line i'm curious why i saw numerous teams all weekend long do the same thing?

The problem wasn't the shotgun. It was running the ball to Robinson and Palmer's side of the line.

i agree unless you're going to sneak it (which we should be able to do), the shotgun vs under center isn't a big deal

 

[K Otto XLIV]

i agree unless you're going to sneak it (which we should be able to do), the shotgun vs under center isn't a big deal

It allows the DL to get penetration and prevents the RB from getting steam. Teams do it but it makes no sense.

 

[Millhouse]

It allows the DL to get penetration and prevents the RB from getting steam. Teams do it but it makes no sense.

i think people overestimate the amount of time it takes, especially if you're in the pistol. teams run the ball really well out of the shotgun. should just run a normal play and have the possibility of a throw

 

[Finwad32]

all the talk about not going under center inside the 3 yard line i'm curious why i saw numerous teams all weekend long do the same thing?

The problem wasn't the shotgun. It was running the ball to Robinson and Palmer's side of the line.

I think there's something to be said for doing it both ways. If your base offense is the Pistol or Gun then that's fine, spread the defense out and exploit a gap. But, you can also put in a Power Package and hammer away as well.

I don't think you're under-prepared if you don't utilize one or the other, you're just doing what you think you're good at.

If there's no confidence in the line to get the push from a power look, then it is what it is.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

i think people overestimate the amount of time it takes, especially if you're in the pistol. teams run the ball really well out of the shotgun. should just run a normal play and have the possibility of a throw

I prefer we throw it out of that formation. Another thing the shotgun/pistol doesn't have is a lead blocker, which is important in short yardage. If you are playing against a base D, formation doesn't matter. But in that situation you see a goaline D and you cannot run the ball out of your base O. I am totally fine spreading it out and passes via a mismatch. But if you are going to run against a strong package you won't have much success in the pistol.

 

[longislandcuse]

People don't generally get mad at coaches for losing on aggression. It's why coaches like Ron Rivera survived down years.

I won't kill Shafer for not going for two in OT, I thought we should have as we couldn't stop them, they couldn't stop us and we were on the road.

I do have an issue with the FG everyone knew we wouldn't make and holding onto 3 timeouts at the end of the game. I felt like Will Ferrell in Zoolander when the time was just running off "I feel like im taking crazy pills!!"

 

[dollarbill44]

i agree unless you're going to sneak it (which we should be able to do), the shotgun vs under center isn't a big deal

Actually, by going under center, it forces the LBs to come up and play for the sneak, which opens up other options - sweep, roll out run/pass option, etc. If they don't come up to the line, you run the sneak. If you go pistol, it allows the LBs to play off the line and gives them more time to react to the play.

 

[Macky44]

Some may think that's an unfair or a judgmental statement, which is fine.

But anyone who thinks attempting a 48 yard field goal with a college kicker who does not have an NFL future instead of going for a conversion on 4th and FREAKIN' ONE YARD simply doesn't get it and shouldn't be the head coach of an ACC program.

Defensive coordinator or assistant coach? Fine. Great. But the guy making all the important calls - not only on gameday but every other day of the week? Nope.

This isn't an arbitrary scenario. It's black and white. You go for the conversion every time. If you don't get it - oh well. Time for the defense.

Now more than ever a major college football program needs a head coach who understands basic probability, among other things. Hell, it's not even understanding probability - it's simply having common sense.

I see some good young talent in this program but they're not going anywhere with this guy, imo.

Good luck on your adventure of looking for your first coaching job. Everything is NOT black and white actually.

 

[Ringostar57]

Too predictable.....70 years of too predictable...since Schwartzee.