Something is not right

[Tango32]

So not only did we not hit some major areas of need at QB and DT but as it currently stands right now we have the lowest recruit average in the entire P5 (83.91), and are getting beat out by some G5’s to include teams like Florida Atlantic…

 

[dollarbill44]

the difference between 5-7 and 7-5 is literally about 3 plays. 7-5 with the oline issues would be a solid yr.

i think history has shown that its takes coaches multiple yrs to change a culture enough to recruit to a higher level if you are not a school with a history to fall back on

I'm guessing this was a reply to someone else's post and not my sarcastic response?

 

[Chip]

Yep he has too. Also I looked at 247 sports and they have the class rated mid 50's. Again about ever every class has been rated at Syracuse for oh the last 15 years. BFD. There isn't much difference once you get past 30 anyway and guess what doubt Syracuse ever scratches the top 30 anyway but people keep beating the drum year after year. been making the same post for years and still waiting for that top 25 class to pop up. Call me when it does and I will buy all the beer for a few tailgates.

Pitt is right there next to us, as is NC State. BC is behind us, so is Wake (so are the Virginia schools for that matter, who look like they took small classes).

The world isn't ending.

Maybe the new Dome roof, and knowing other enhancements are coming, plus whatever they do with the $25M will make it easier for the staff to sell coming here.

We're not in the worst place in the world. But if Tommy goes down in 2020, that might get ugly quick.

 

[baggerbob]

Also, transfers don’t count towards the average - and Canadians are often an unknown and drag our average down. The Germans will do that this cycle.

Recruiting can always be better, and the misses this cycle suck. But I’d be grain of salting some of this stuff.

Last year's class didn't include Jawar Jordan, who might be the best player on the team. Thats because he was supposed to be here the year before.

 

[upperdeck]

I'm guessing this was a reply to someone else's post and not my sarcastic response?

yup sorry.

 

[SmilinBob]

I'd give Dino until Feb but it will be disappointing not to have another QB on the roster for the spring practices.
Needed LB's and got one talented guy coming in January. Taller WR's and filled the TE slots. Scour the waiver wires for some DT's. Encouraged with the OL guys.

Missed on too many key guys though, and that has to change.... now.

 

[orangezen]

I seem to remember in 2015 we got a late QB kid from Oregon no one was aware of ..

 

[orangepassion]

We just rarely seem to win recruiting battles against other P5 schools. i'm not talking about someone's listed offer list with most of the offers not being commitable. How many times did we get a recruit that multiple P5 schools really wanted and get them? I'd guess our record in these battles is like 4-52. We should win more, just based on probability.

 

[orangepassion]

Syracuse will never land classes that many think different head coaches and assistants would. we are on our 4th head coach in 10-12 years and things haven't changed all that much. I don't care who the head coach and staff are.

I agree we're probably not getting top 20 classes, but we've never brought it a known recruiter HC. Think with a good recruiting staff, we could do noticeably better. Dino didn't recruit well at BG, either. Marrone and Shafer didn't have reputations as recruiters.
Imagine if we had 3 Monroes-You don't think we'd do better? We have way too many assistants who don't get anybody.

 

[dollarbill44]

I seem to remember in 2015 we got a late QB kid from Oregon no one was aware of ..

I don't think we can count on those things happening.

 

[dollarbill44]

We just rarely seem to win recruiting battles against other P5 schools. i'm not talking about someone's listed offer list with most of the offers not being commitable. How many times did we get a recruit that multiple P5 schools really wanted and get them? I'd guess our record in these battles is like 4-52. We should win more, just based on probability.

That's a peculiarly specific number for a guess.

 

[orangezen]

I don't think we can count on those things happening.

true but its not over til its over in feb

 

[billsin01]

The truth is you have no idea how these kids will pan out. Syracuse will never land classes that many think different head coaches and assistants would. we are on our 4th head coach in 10-12 years and things haven't changed all that much. I don't care who the head coach and staff are. Syracuse is a tough place to land high end talent. We have always been and always will be a developmental program just the way it is. We have not one inherited recruiting advantage or areas that we can rely on as inherited " honey holes"

The fact is there are a ton of schools that can offer the same or more than we do, just accept it.

IMO the best recruiter was GROB who is arguably one of the worst head coaches in the modern college football era. be careful what you wish for

Both of your first statements are not only true they are fact. We all debate the star system but I always laugh b/c we've never landed a bunch of 4- and 5-star kids so I'm not sure what we're arguing. If you aren't getting those guys and aren't going to get those guys you need to find another way.

Bottom line: The landscape of college football makes it such that this program is going to have a really hard time continually filling the pipeline with talent and winning at a high level. That may sound depressing but there are a lot of other schools accustomed to far more success than we are that struggling with many of the same issues, at least relative to what they are used to. Notre Dame, USC, Texas -- schools that feel it's their birth rite to be in college football playoff are spending an awful lot of time on the outside looking in. ND has had some good success (and Texas still has that potential with the right coach) with Kelly but realistically can't consistently compete with Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State ... They're in the camping bowl vs. 7-5 iowa state. If that isn't a rude awakening for a 10-win ND team I don't know what is.

Bottom line: We need to hope these kids have good athleticism and can be molded into quality players. Crying about not signing higher profile kids is fine, but you might as well save your posts so you don't have to re-type them for the next 10 years.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Both of your first statements are not only true they are fact. We all debate the star system but I always laugh b/c we've never landed a bunch of 4- and 5-star kids so I'm not sure what we're arguing. If you aren't getting those guys and aren't going to get those guys you need to find another way.

Bottom line: The landscape of college football makes it such that this program is going to have a really hard time continually filling the pipeline with talent and winning at a high level. That may sound depressing but there are a lot of other schools accustomed to far more success than we are that struggling with many of the same issues, at least relative to what they are used to. Notre Dame, USC, Texas -- schools that feel it's their birth rite to be in college football playoff are spending an awful lot of time on the outside looking in. ND has had some good success (and Texas still has that potential with the right coach) with Kelly but realistically can't consistently compete with Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State ... They're in the camping bowl vs. 7-5 iowa state. If that isn't a rude awakening for a 10-win ND team I don't know what is.

Bottom line: We need to hope these kids have good athleticism and can be molded into quality players. Crying about not signing higher profile kids is fine, but you might as well save your posts so you don't have to re-type them for the next 10 years.

Gave you a like for pulling off the rare double bottom line.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Both of your first statements are not only true they are fact. We all debate the star system but I always laugh b/c we've never landed a bunch of 4- and 5-star kids so I'm not sure what we're arguing. If you aren't getting those guys and aren't going to get those guys you need to find another way.

Bottom line: The landscape of college football makes it such that this program is going to have a really hard time continually filling the pipeline with talent and winning at a high level. That may sound depressing but there are a lot of other schools accustomed to far more success than we are that struggling with many of the same issues, at least relative to what they are used to. Notre Dame, USC, Texas -- schools that feel it's their birth rite to be in college football playoff are spending an awful lot of time on the outside looking in. ND has had some good success (and Texas still has that potential with the right coach) with Kelly but realistically can't consistently compete with Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State ... They're in the camping bowl vs. 7-5 iowa state. If that isn't a rude awakening for a 10-win ND team I don't know what is.

Bottom line: We need to hope these kids have good athleticism and can be molded into quality players. Crying about not signing higher profile kids is fine, but you might as well save your posts so you don't have to re-type them for the next 10 years.

Who are you going to mold into a DT?

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The contrast is stark. Many on this board seem to think the sky is falling event though this class ranks #53 (on 247), with up to six more recruits likely by February.

The Boneyard, however, is in the throes of ecstasy over Edsall's haul, even though UCONN is rated a solid #116 by said recruiting site. Pudge is even postulating that one of their guys would most certainly be a 4-star if Syracuse or Rutgers had landed him.

 

[Scooch]

Both of your first statements are not only true they are fact. We all debate the star system but I always laugh b/c we've never landed a bunch of 4- and 5-star kids so I'm not sure what we're arguing. If you aren't getting those guys and aren't going to get those guys you need to find another way.

Bottom line: The landscape of college football makes it such that this program is going to have a really hard time continually filling the pipeline with talent and winning at a high level. That may sound depressing but there are a lot of other schools accustomed to far more success than we are that struggling with many of the same issues, at least relative to what they are used to. Notre Dame, USC, Texas -- schools that feel it's their birth rite to be in college football playoff are spending an awful lot of time on the outside looking in. ND has had some good success (and Texas still has that potential with the right coach) with Kelly but realistically can't consistently compete with Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State ... They're in the camping bowl vs. 7-5 iowa state. If that isn't a rude awakening for a 10-win ND team I don't know what is.

Bottom line: We need to hope these kids have good athleticism and can be molded into quality players. Crying about not signing higher profile kids is fine, but you might as well save your posts so you don't have to re-type them for the next 10 years.

Great post.

One thing I do think is fair game to gripe about is the lack of recruiting kids at certain positions. If SU's path is to be Three Star University (tm) and get players into Dino's Development Machine (tm), then you at least need to feed the machine with the requisite volume of players.

 

[billsin01]

Gave you a like for pulling off the rare double bottom line.

lmao -- that's quality posting right there.

 

[billsin01]

Who are you going to mold into a DT?

If we're not signing dts and qbs that's a problem. And, if the kids we sign end up being bad football players, that's an even bigger problem. the idea that our average recruit was a .84372 instead of a .86791 according to a bunch of random dudes at a recruiting site is not a problem. And, further, we aren't going to sign a ton of 4-star kids. We never have and we likely won't. My point is that debating it like we will sign those kids is pointless.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

lmao -- that's quality posting right there.

I was impressed.

 

[billsin01]

Great post.

One thing I do think is fair game to gripe about is the lack of recruiting kids at certain positions. If SU's path is to be Three Star University (tm) and get players into Dino's Development Machine (tm), then you at least need to feed the machine with the requisite volume of players.

no question whatsoever. Not having at least one and preferably two QBs by the fall in this class would be absolutely absurd. DT is another issue.

 

[orangecuse]

I feel like the Germans will get us into enemy territory, but will short of the ultimate objective.

Maybe we can find some Italians to jump over to the winning side.

 

[PhatOrange]

Any DT signed this year wouldn't be helping out the team until at least a couple of years down the road. Two players signed last year (Munoz, Rondi) are expected to be pushing for DT time in 2020 to back up Williams, Black, Harper and Rhino. A DT miss here right now isn't a huge deal.

We did sign some really good players

An A+ list wide receiver (Aflord 6-5 210) and another A list WR (Williams 6-1 195).
An A list TE (Mahar 6-6 225)
An A list LB (Thompson 6-0 225)
3 developmental OLineman
An A list kicker (Williams)
An A+ list defensive end (Kinsler 6-4 215) and another A list DE (Lowery 6-40 220)
1 really good running back - go watch Tuckers film again (5-9 192)
1 really good multi-use RB in Wax who might be a better LB (6-0 210)
LaBrosse (6-2 200) and Baron (6-4 205) are A list and big utility guys
Hanna is another highly regarded Florida DB.

 

[DuxburyO]

Two years from now we will be happy with this class. I have zero evaluation player skills but I still trust this staff. Dino needs a week+ vacation

 

[FloridaFan]

The thing I love about these threads is it reveals the goons who think Dino is a bad coach/recruiter and expect top 20 classes