sorry but coaching is a problem

[OrangeDW]

In a normal year, a lot of these guys wouldn’t see the court. They need time to develop. This isn’t hard.

Right. The list of guys that ended up being good players at SU that looked overmatched as freshmen is long. The difference is in most cases those guys got limited minutes, because they weren’t ready and we had other better players. We’ve got nobody else this year. I feel like we all knew that going in, I don’t know why we have to keep saying it.

 

[durhamcuse]

JB got more out of this team than most other coaches would have.

This is the talent we have. 3 legitimate scoring options, injuries to Sidibe and Moyer, departures of Thorpe and Thompson, and all people want is Boeheim's head on a pike.

He's good at what he does. When we have players, he'll have them back in the dance, and when he retires we'll be sorry he's gone.

I agree wholeheartedly. Give that man a full deck and he knows how to play those cards. The game has not passed him by. Syracuse is a great team, but they are not Duke, UNC, Kansas, or Kentucky. Syracuse cannot weather defections, early departures, sanctions, and major injuries as well as these true Blue Bloods. Duke can almost lose an entire team and rebuild with 5 stars the next year. This is the state of College Basketball right now. Syracuse almost has to get a little lucky to have a full complement of competent players. When they do, I'd rather have Jim Boeheim over any coach in the country. Believe me now, and hear me later! Go Cuse!

 

[CuseCPT]

In a normal year, a lot of these guys wouldn’t see the court. They need time to develop. This isn’t hard.

And some people have the audacity to question JB's short bench/penalty box system. This isn't hard.

And the JB White Knight brigade can't have it both ways. We either recruit an awful lot of misses or the short/bench penalty box philosophy is turning guys into misses. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's the latter, but either way it would have to be on the coaching staff.

It's undeniable that the era of one-and-done's has lowered the overall talent pool in the college game. This solid P5 recruits aren't being asked to play against juniors and seniors with NBA level talent, for the most part those guys are already gone. To say nothing of the days when you teams laden with seniors that were going to be NBA stars. If anything it should be even easier now for these younger players to contribute. I know a lot of the JB sycophants think player development doesn't happen in games, only practice, but I just don't buy that.

 

[Day2]

And some people have the audacity to question JB's short bench/penalty box system. This isn't hard.

And the JB White Knight brigade can't have it both ways. We either recruit an awful lot of misses or the short/bench penalty box philosophy is turning guys into misses. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's the latter, but either way it would have to be on the coaching staff.

It's undeniable that the era of one-and-done's has lowered the overall talent pool in the college game. This solid P5 recruits aren't being asked to play against juniors and seniors with NBA level talent, for the most part those guys are already gone. To say nothing of the days when you teams laden with seniors that were going to be NBA stars. If anything it should be even easier now for these younger players to contribute. I know a lot of the JB sycophants think player development doesn't happen in games, only practice, but I just don't buy that.

Two words: Sanctions.

 

[CuseCPT]

Two words: Sanctions.

Sanctions are why we have guys that super tentative about wide open jump shots? Sanctions got Geno Thorpe?

 

[tbonezone]

frank howard didn't magically learn how to play ball this season. frank howard was allowed to play ball this season.

 

[rrlbees]

And some people have the audacity to question JB's short bench/penalty box system. This isn't hard.

And the JB White Knight brigade can't have it both ways. We either recruit an awful lot of misses or the short/bench penalty box philosophy is turning guys into misses. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's the latter, but either way it would have to be on the coaching staff.

It's undeniable that the era of one-and-done's has lowered the overall talent pool in the college game. This solid P5 recruits aren't being asked to play against juniors and seniors with NBA level talent, for the most part those guys are already gone. To say nothing of the days when you teams laden with seniors that were going to be NBA stars. If anything it should be even easier now for these younger players to contribute. I know a lot of the JB sycophants think player development doesn't happen in games, only practice, but I just don't buy that.

Pretty simple from this white knight brigade member.

Sanctions
Early departures
Defections
Injuries

 

[br801]

frank howard didn't magically learn how to play ball this season. frank howard was allowed to play ball this season.

So Howard was Boeheimed for two years, just because?

 

[longislandcuse]

Pretty simple from this white knight brigade member.

Sanctions
Early departures
Defections
Injuries

Early departures need to be stricken from the excuse list. Everyone deals with this.

Shouldn't defections lay at the feet of the coach? He recruited dudes who bounced on us.

Sanctions, ok - fair enough. Same with injuries.

 

[tbonezone]

well just becuz JB only plays his starters/favorites and only they are allowed to err. yes.

 

[Day2]

Sanctions are why we have guys that super tentative about wide open jump shots? Sanctions got Geno Thorpe?

Sanctions are why some of those guys are in position to take or not take wide open jump shots in the first place. You can’t have it both ways either. By your logic, Dolezaj shouldn’t be tentative because he’s been playing significant minutes all year. The reality of the situation is he needs more time to develop and build up his confidence.

Geno Thorpe isn’t a miss or a bust, he’s a quitter.

 

[Day2]

Early departures need to be stricken from the excuse list. Everyone deals with this.

Shouldn't defections lay at the feet of the coach? He recruited dudes who bounced on us.

Sanctions, ok - fair enough. Same with injuries.

Ordinarily, defections aren’t an excuse. But because of the sanctions, we couldn’t afford two defections.

 

[rrlbees]

Early departures need to be stricken from the excuse list. Everyone deals with this.

Shouldn't defections lay at the feet of the coach? He recruited dudes who bounced on us.

Sanctions, ok - fair enough. Same with injuries.

Everyone deals with early departures as you said. But they are more problematic when sanctions are also involved. None of the 4 things I listed may be a killer alone, but the 4 together, or even 3 of them, make things really really difficult.

 

[tbonezone]

11 schollies for a coach who only plays 6.5 isn't really much of a sanction.

 

[Day2]

frank howard didn't magically learn how to play ball this season. frank howard was allowed to play ball this season.

Howard was allowed to play this season because he worked hard and improved.

 

[Day2]

11 schollies for a coach who only plays 6.5 isn't really much of a sanction.

It is when players defect, suffer season injuries, and don’t pan out...because you have no one else to turn to.

 

[tbonezone]

Howard was allowed to play this season because he worked hard and improved.

keep telling yourself that. my what a major jump this summer !

 

[tbonezone]

the howard washington injury was unfortunate. but he only averaged 1 ppg. chukwu and sidibe are dinged up but playing. the other circumstances are somewhat on the coaches.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Early departures need to be stricken from the excuse list. Everyone deals with this.

Shouldn't defections lay at the feet of the coach? He recruited dudes who bounced on us.

Sanctions, ok - fair enough. Same with injuries.

I think particularly being Syracuse, the sanctions and early departures are tied hand in hand. We don't recruit talented depth ready to go, to replace a sudden departure. Add loss of scholly's to that, and that's big. Also, I don't know how you know, who will or won't bounce when you recruit them? I guess I agree that the end all be all is at the coaches feet, but that's a hard one to stick on him. If it happened every year or often, then sure. I won't ever count TT against him though.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Howard was allowed to play this season because he worked hard and improved.

He also had a more serious injury than most knew about.

 

[OrangeDW]

Sanctions are why we have guys that super tentative about wide open jump shots? Sanctions got Geno Thorpe?

Sanctions are why freshman that can’t shoot have to start. Normally they’d come off the bench.

 

[OrangeDW]

frank howard didn't magically learn how to play ball this season. frank howard was allowed to play ball this season.

Or he’s a junior that got better. He developed into one of the ACC’s most improved players. Guess our coaches can develop players.

 

[OrangeDW]

well just becuz JB only plays his starters/favorites and only they are allowed to err. yes.

In other words, the best players play the most. Just like any where else. “Favorites”.., jeez. Could you act like any more of a busybody soccer mom?

 

[tbonezone]

just s'pose we landed quade green. how much pt does frank get ? 3 mpg ? that's how JB rolls.

 

[CuseCPT]

Sanctions are why some of those guys are in position to take or not take wide open jump shots in the first place. You can’t have it both ways either. By your logic, Dolezaj shouldn’t be tentative because he’s been playing significant minutes all year. The reality of the situation is he needs more time to develop and build up his confidence.

Geno Thorpe isn’t a miss or a bust, he’s a quitter.

But just being on the court is only half of it. He's probably tentative because he thinks (and not without reason) if he misses a shot he's instantly going to get the hook and watch Moyer play the rest of the game. Or at least until Moyer misses a shot and needs to get yelled at.