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[Orangezoo]

Im curious what you think his role could be? I think its very limiting to be a 6'1 or 6'2 off ball guard thats not a very good shooter.

If he can be a 37/38 pct shooter from distance, a good defender and has his lift back, then he can be a nice bench piece especially against smaller lineups. He would be a utility backup. If he has truly improved then some of those limitations that keep him off the floor are no longer a major concern.

His conditioning clearly was very poor last year and his shooting was up and down. His defense was good at times( flashes)but not always. Experience wise he was also basically a freshman. So as a matchup driven sub and just depth given you have a true frosh and then a guy coming off injury to go with JJ, Carlos and Taylor I think he can earn minutes with his skillset. He isn’t going to be out there with Carlos much and likely not against bigger backcourts so his role is still probably limited unless his handle has massively improved.

 

[skeeter223]

What's bizarre about my comment? Shoym asked if he looks more intimidating this year, and I responded that IMO his short hair makes him look tougher. Do you not think different haircuts can make someone look more or less intimidating?

Mr. T, for instance. You're welcome.

 

[GoCuse14]

Im curious what you think his role could be? I think its very limiting to be a 6'1 or 6'2 off ball guard thats not a very good shooter.

Didn't he win the 3-point shooting team contest last year? I know that means little as far as in-game shooting and his numbers last year show that...but doesn't it also show that he can indeed shoot? And might be better than he showed last season.

 

[cardiac]

Didn't he win the 3-point shooting team contest last year? I know that means little as far as in-game shooting and his numbers last year show that...but doesn't it also show that he can indeed shoot? And might be better than he showed last season.

Im sure hes a better 3pt shooter then he showed but thats a necessity if your 6'1 and cant have ball handling responsibilities.

 

[721Comstock]

Didn't he win the 3-point shooting team contest last year? I know that means little as far as in-game shooting and his numbers last year show that...but doesn't it also show that he can indeed shoot? And might be better than he showed last season.

Cuffe shot about 41% from the floor, and 34% from 3 for the season last year.
Not terrible, especially for a guy coming off of multiple injuries.

We've had plenty of players who were very high volume, who shot a lot worse.
Cough cough, Judah, cough cough - he shot a little under 44% from floor, 28% from 3.
Ooof.
JT started every game - and shot 35% from the floor, 30% from 3.



Back to Cuffe - he averaged a little under 11 minutes / game.
For a role player in limited minutes, he did fine.

Expect him to make a leap this year, especially if he's fully healthy now.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Bizarre commentary here.

At least its not uniforms.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[two3zone]

I feel like I've read he's been fully cleared 3 different times since he got here. If he gets 15 minutes a game I see that as a big win.

 

[Orangezoo]

I feel like I've read he's been fully cleared 3 different times since he got here. If he gets 15 minutes a game I see that as a big win.

That article is 4 hours ago but it sounds like it was written last year… kind of weird..

 

[two3zone]

That article is 4 hours ago but it sounds like it was written last year… kind of weird..

Makes it sound like he wasn't even part of the plan last year.

 

[CardiacCuse]

The Highlander was our second best player last season according to both BPM and PER. Only Maliq Brown performed better in the minutes he was on the court.

Naheem McLeod can do far more than just "block a few shots and occasionally score."

He also had a very good 16% o rebounding, so I'm hoping he can finish from more than dunking range. McLeod's 13.8 block percentage would have been the 36th best bl% season ever since they started keeping track 15 seasons ago. It was easily the best in NCAA play last season. Too bad he was injured and didn't play enough to qualify.

Assuming health, I think Lampkin and McLeod are going to be a very good combination in the middle.

Also, McLeod looks more muscular, and getting rid of the goofy hair cut makes him look almost scary out there once he gets the scowl going.

I'm pretty excited for the season already.

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I am excited for the season too but let's not get carried away

his height was missed vs the teams with inside presence but he wasnt close to 2nd best player last year...im not even sure he was 2nd best center

hopefully he has improved and makes a leap this year...would help the team a lot.

 

[Niastri]

I am excited for the season too but let's not get carried away

his height was missed vs the teams with inside presence but he wasnt close to 2nd best player last year...im not even sure he was 2nd best center

hopefully he has improved and makes a leap this year...would help the team a lot.

The part of my post that you bolded was not an editorial, it was a simple statement of fact.

On a per minute basis, by the two most commonly referenced advanced metrics, Naheem McLeod was our second best player, after Maliq Brown.

You can argue with the other things I said, or even the validity of the metrics I referenced, but you can't argue with facts.

 

[kcsu]

Love 7'4. I'm 100% convinced that if he had been healthy last season we would have made the dance

 

[richmondcuse03]

Makes it sound like he wasn't even part of the plan last year.

He wasn’t once he got hurt. They knew he wasn’t coming back as of Nov.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

The part of my post that you bolded was not an editorial, it was a simple statement of fact.

On a per minute basis, by the two most commonly referenced advanced metrics, Naheem McLeod was our second best player, after Maliq Brown.

You can argue with the other things I said, or even the validity of the metrics I referenced, but you can't argue with facts.

Of course it's editorial.

“…best” is not a “fact.” The individual stats are facts. Certain metrics may be facts, but they still have to be factored into context, and the context and evaluation of that is still subjective. Just the ‘fact’ that you chose “two” metrics makes it subjective. Just the fact that you chose “on a per minute basis” makes it subjective. Cherrypicking two metrics makes it editorializing.

If a walk on went 1 for 1 and a rebound in 30 seconds of action, he’d be the GOAT. "Per minute" is pretty irrelevant unless you can actually play enough minutes to create value. IMO.

I can't imagine anyone who watched our games could deem Naheem our second best player, even on a per minute basis. That could only reflect that person's skew, how that person weighted any number of many statistical categories. The next person would certainly have a different skew, and a different opinion. The word "best" is in and of itself subjective. It's like saying MJ was better than Wilt.

 

[orangefog]

Eddie’s a dawg.

 

[Sbucketball]

Eddie’s a dawg.

Lol on-court and off-court, Chance has subtlety and finesse while Eddie has brute force.

 

[Orangezoo]

Eddie’s a dawg.

Eddie looks leaner too. Keep working on that conditioning and maybe those ladies will let you jog with them big Ed.

 

[UpstateSM]

McLeod is a future NBA player, IMO.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

McLeod is a future NBA player, IMO.

Hot take of the day. I don't like the odds, but I hope so.

 

[orangefog]

McLeod is a future NBA player, IMO.

It's definitely possible, it all comes down to his hair choice at this point.

 

[RF2044]

Shot looks pretty decent vs the pct last he had at UD

He's got a nice jump shot. Hit around 85% from the free throw line.

He is a very, very good mid-range shooter. His range just doesn't seem to consistently stretch out to three, although his form is good and he can certainly hit them from that range. But from 16 and in, he is a PLUS shooter.

 

[Scott11]

For those of us who don't subscribe, can someone give us the skinny from this article?

 

[Orangezoo]

He's got a nice jump shot. Hit around 85% from the free throw line.

He is a very, very good mid-range shooter. His range just doesn't seem to consistently stretch out to three, although his form is good and he can certainly hit them from that range. But from 16 and in, he is a PLUS shooter.

Agreed on all accounts. Should be someone who can take that shot if open and in the flow. Like you said though that jumper is pure from mid range

 

[Niastri]

Of course it's editorial.

“…best” is not a “fact.” The individual stats are facts. Certain metrics may be facts, but they still have to be factored into context, and the context and evaluation of that is still subjective. Just the ‘fact’ that you chose “two” metrics makes it subjective. Just the fact that you chose “on a per minute basis” makes it subjective. Cherrypicking two metrics makes it editorializing.

If a walk on went 1 for 1 and a rebound in 30 seconds of action, he’d be the GOAT. "Per minute" is pretty irrelevant unless you can actually play enough minutes to create value. IMO.

I can't imagine anyone who watched our games could deem Naheem our second best player, even on a per minute basis. That could only reflect that person's skew, how that person weighted any number of many statistical categories. The next person would certainly have a different skew, and a different opinion. The word "best" is in and of itself subjective. It's like saying MJ was better than Wilt.

The purpose of developing comprehensive "overall value" stats on per minute basis, like BPM and PER is too help isolate what's happening in the court statistically. I didn't think McLeod was our best player last year, by any stretch of the imagination. I was shocked when I saw that the two most referenced statistical models considered him almost as good as Maliq Brown.

Like most posters here, I had kind of written McLeod off after we recruited Lampkin (and paid him an exorbitant sum of money) to come here and start at center.

Unlike most here, when I saw data that didn't meet my preconceived notion of who and what McLeod could do as a player, I changed my belief based on that new information.

I think McLeod, even hobbled as he was, was a much better player than we give credit for last season. I think he will be a very credible backup this season.

He's better than I thought he was. I was trying to give other posters the information that I found so eye opening.

That's why we're here.