Syracuse Fans Need to Understand Something

[Orijinal]

Syracuse is not a state school, and neither does it reside in SEC country. Maybe some of those other schools can afford to hire and fire every 3 years until they get it right. Syracuse has no business playing that game. Right now they are in the Power 5 conference generating the least amount of money. You guys want to pay someone $3 mil a year (and that doesn't include staff by the way) when revenue for the ENTIRE athletic dept is only $20 mil? That's what it will eventually come to with this amount of turnover.

You better hope that Coyle gets a coach with an offensive mind AND someone who can recruit if he was living in Baghdad AND someone who can develop the talent that he recruits (not just depends on his awesome offensive system), because no matter how well he recruits his first 3 classes will still inevitably be less talented than most of the ACC. And he better want to stick around should wins start to come.

 

[JrodCuse]

If you think revenue is only $20 mil you're crazy.

 

[GoSU96]

Syracuse is not a state school, and neither does it reside in SEC country. Maybe some of those other schools can afford to hire and fire every 3 years until they get it right. Syracuse has no business playing that game. Right now they are in the Power 5 conference generating the least amount of money. You guys want to pay someone $3 mil a year (and that doesn't include staff by the way) when revenue for the ENTIRE athletic dept is only $20 mil? That's what it will eventually come to with this amount of turnover.

You better hope that Coyle gets a coach with an offensive mind AND someone who can recruit if he was living in Baghdad AND someone who can develop the talent that he recruits (not just depends on his awesome offensive system), because no matter how well he recruits his first 3 classes will still inevitably be less talented than most of the ACC. And he better want to stick around should wins start to come.

Where's $20M come from?

If this is true then the school had no business leaving the BE.

 

[Ozcuse]

You are so wrong it's kind of funny.

In 2012 BEFORE the ACC Contract money our SUAD revenue was over $73M.

 

[jekelish]

Forbes lists Syracuse basketball's revenue ALONE at $26.8 million.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske..._most_valuable_college_basketball_progra.html

Sweet fact checking though.

 

[jekelish]

From earlier this year - total revenue, reported by the DO, was $87.6 million last year: http://dailyorange.com/2015/01/su-a...c-will-be-used-to-help-pay-big-east-exit-fee/

 

[690West]

$20mil? I almost make $20mil

Give or take

 

[texascpa]

I'm guessing the OP was using just TV contract money. Problem with that argument is I'm 100% that the head coach's salary doesn't come from the TV revenue or come from it alone.

 

[brian]

so what everyone is saying is we should have no issue forking out good money for a coach and staff...

 

[Ringostar57]

20 mil? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Baffled by big numbers? Conceptually challenged much? I will admit to the fact that alumni and boosters are a bunch of tightwads compared to $ given by SEC and Big 10 and other ACC alumni and fans.

 

[Ky Je]

Not sure if the OP's numbers are correct but I think he was also including non revenue sports and all costs of the AD past and present.

 

[jekelish]

Not sure if the OP's numbers are correct but I think he was also including non revenue sports and any and all costs of the AD past and present.

Uh, as mentioned, no, the numbers are not correct. At all. Like, not even within earshot of being correct.

It took literally 5 seconds of Googling for me to find the revenue for last year.

 

[Marsh01]

i just took a dump and $8 million fell out. Way off base with the numbers

 

[Orijinal]

Ok. My $20 mil figure was way off. But if the AD had so much money before TV money came through, why so much complaining that the athletic department was operating at a loss year in and year out?? AND if the AD was operating at a loss BEFORE the $20 mil TV revenue, then technically the AD has less than additional $20 mil a year to play with since joining the ACC.

 

[SUATO92]

I love that the OP emphasized ENTIRE and then was ENTIRELY WRONG. I'm thinking that 20 million will now become the new erroneous talking point and will replace the one where we hire a new coach every three years.

 

[Macky44]

Ok. My $20 mil figure was way off. But if the AD had so much money before TV money came through, why so much complaining that the athletic department was operating at a loss year in and year out?? AND if the AD was operating at a loss BEFORE the $20 mil TV revenue, then technically the AD has less than additional $20 mil a year to play with since joining the ACC.

Just stop.

 

[jekelish]

 

[AAM62]

haha shut down

 

[SUATO92]

Just stop.

Should have been...

JUST. STOP.

 

[Orijinal]

I'll just stop since you guys have the answers.

 

[tep624]

The long term continuity approach to the coaching staff is a great thing but it only works if you have the right guy at the top and we didn't. So you don't keep limping along *hoping* that the guy who isn't the guy will become the guy. That isn't good management. Good management is giving a reasonable amount of time to make your own decision, which Coyle did, and then being decisive in that decision, which he has been.

What happened at the end of the first half against FSU and what happened with Dungey and his latest injury should never, ever, ever, ever ,ever ,ever ,ever be decisions that a good college football HC would consider making the way that Shafer made them. And that is in year 3, not year 1.

I'm literally dumfounded that people actually expected Coyle to not fire Shafer considering the decision making we've seen in the last 5 games or so. Coyle gave Shafer a fair opportunity to audition and he blew it, plain and simple.

 

[SUbear]

Just stop.

The original poster may be partly mistaking what the AD is given as a budget. Revenue taken in from the Athletic department is not entirely used to fund the athletic dept. the AD only gets a portion for his budget to run the department. You will probably never know how the administration decides to budgetize the dept. from the revenue generated, but you can be sure it is not the entire amount of what they take in. I have no idea if 20 million would be close or not to that budget.

 

[Scooch]

Maybe some of those other schools can afford to hire and fire every 3 years until they get it right. Syracuse has no business playing that game.

I'll leave your bizarre math to others and just focus on this part which MAKES MY HEAD EXPLODE.

Please tell me how many other times in history SU has played this game?

I'll let you off the hook because the answer is ZERO.

They even let Greg freakin' Robinson coach a 4th year, and he was perhaps the worst coach of anything at any level that I have ever seen.

This is a unique circumstance where we (a) hired someone internally for the express purpose of maintaining and growing what he inherited, (b) saw the exact opposite of that happen, and (c) hired a new Chancellor and AD during his tenure.

But yeah, other than that, we're definitely just hiring and firing coaches every 3 years. That happens all the time.

 

[Macky44]

I'll just stop since you guys have the answers.

We may not have the answers, but we are also not making up answers either.

 

[SUATO92]

The original poster may be partly mistaking what the AD is given as a budget. Revenue taken in from the Athletic department is not entirely used to fund the athletic dept. the AD only gets a portion for his budget to run the department. You will probably never know how the administration decides to budgetize the dept. from the revenue generated, but you can be sure it is not the entire amount of what they take in. I have no idea if 20 million would be close or not to that budget.

If you would bother to Google it you would see the exact revenues and expenditures for the the entire athletic department and just so you know expenditures are much more than 20 million.