Syracuse football defensive tackle Steven Clark's career put in jeopardy by blood clots

[sufandu]

innocent until proven guilty or some actual evidence of wrong doing? Look it sucks what happened to Steven and a review of our medical policy should be done asap to make sure we are on par with other ncaa teams and not going out on a limb with the dq policy. Dr tucker seems like he is under qualified to make a dq call in my opinion but to blame the Ad blindly with no evidence is just wrong to do. Part of me thinks a big reason no dq wasn't overturned with tucker is the fact that this private matter has gone through the media making Syracuse look incompetent at handling their business.

Innocent until proven guilty is in a court of law. Nobody is going to jail here. The closest thing we can have to evidence is what we are told by people close to the program, and what we're being told doesn't sound good. It's not as if these are jilted players being pushed aside to make room for others. One of the parents stating that problems exist has a son that hasn't even been dq'd. What reason does he have to embellish anything? We have the opinion of multiple specialists versus the opinion of a GP. What other evidience would you like?

 

[bnoro]

Innocent until proven guilty is in a court of law. Nobody is going to jail here. The closest thing we can have to evidence is what we are told by people close to the program, and what we're being told doesn't sound good. It's not as if these are jilted players being pushed aside to make room for others. One of the parents stating that problems exist has a son that hasn't even been dq'd. What reason does he have to embellish anything? We have the opinion of multiple specialists versus the opinion of a GP. What other evidience would you like?

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

 

[JLine]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

Our medical staff caused a player to develop blood clots. You know, something pretty serious. Then when he was cleared by specialists, they gave him the boot to cover their ass.

Life goes on, and the world keeps turning, though. Who cares about the credentials of our team doctor, and medical staff? Second opinions, screw 'em. That will certainly help the program, as we are finally getting back on track with a great HC.

Unreal.

 

[bcubs9497]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

Arciniega was medically DQed in 2015. Him and Bennett collided during the FSU game. Both suffered concussions.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

The problem with the DQ is the process. Instead of being a protection, set up by the NCAA rule, for the benefit of the student-athlete it has become an out for schools from possible litigation. There is a lot missing in what should be implemented by schools in this process so it does protect the student-athlete in all situations. Some DQs are simple and understandable. I don't think most can say that in regards to Stevens' DQ.

 

[SUfanNC]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

Life does go on and the world does keep turning. This is not a witch hunt nor are people in hysteria.

Flawed process. Needs to be addressed and looked at.

 

[CousCuse]

Didn't a ruling come out that athletes at private universities are considered employees? They do get paid now a small stipend. If that is the case, wouldn't this fall under labor laws?

 

[Consigliere]

So has anyone found statistics regarding Medical DQs at FBS schools, particularly P5 schools? Our perception is that we are above the norm but is there data to prove that? I Googled college football Medical Disqualification and got hits with stories from many different schools. Not trying to justify the Syracuse process - it is unquestionably flawed with no logical control points or exception procedures - but a little data would certainly help support a call to action.

 

[RandomGuy]

So has anyone found statistics regarding Medical DQs at FBS schools, particularly P5 schools? Our perception is that we are above the norm but is there data to prove that? I Googled college football Medical Disqualification and got hits with stories from many different schools. Not trying to justify the Syracuse process - it is unquestionably flawed with no logical control points or exception procedures - but a little data would certainly help support a call to action.

Even better to see any dq'd at 1 school, but cleared by many, WITH specialist consensus, that there is no medical issue... That's what's going on here, in this case.

 

[SUFan44]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

Missing the point.

 

[sufandu]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

You should care about a doctor's credentials and second opinions. It's what qualifies them to do their job. I'm certainly glad my son's immunologist recognized he wasn't qualified to analyze some recent blood work we had and referred us to a hematologist. Prior to that, I'm glad the pediatrician knew to send us to the immunologist. It a doctor's job to know when someone else is more qualified to make decisions about a specific problem. I'm a a healthcare professional. Part of my job is to know what I don't know and confer with colleagues or refer a pt elsewhere.

 

[bnoro]

Missing the point.

Not at all. I'm not defending our medical staff.

It absolutely sucks that Steven can't continue playing at SU. But I don't see why people keep drumming up hysteria. Steven could be cleared by 200000 specialists, but Syracuse has to do what's best for the program, unfortunately. So Steven is allowed to transfer and keep playing.

If his father wasn't so vocal about it no one here would even be questioning anything.

 

[bnoro]

You should care about a doctor's credentials and second opinions. It's what qualifies them to do their job. I'm certainly glad my son's immunologist recognized he wasn't qualified to analyze some recent blood work we had and referred us to a hematologist. Prior to that, I'm glad the pediatrician knew to send us to the immunologist. It a doctor's job to know when someone else is more qualified to make decisions about a specific problem. I'm a a healthcare professional. Part of my job is to know what I don't know and confer with colleagues or refer a pt elsewhere.

I understand that. But in this case it's an obvious cover your ass by SU. It happens. He was allowed to transfer, so it's not like he's being held hostage.

I'm sure Tucker understands the second opinions but its made in the best interest of the school, not the athlete IN THIS CASE.

 

[Killdozer]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

I don't agree with anything you wrote. Tucker is fully responsible for the DQ and the injury! You can sugar coat it all you want but Tucker (I refuse to call him "Dr") is an eyesore on the University and makes SU look small time.

 

[bnoro]

I don't agree with anything you wrote. Tucker is fully responsible for the DQ and the injury! You can sugar coat it all you want but Tucker (I refuse to call him "Dr") is an eyesore on the University and makes SU look small time.

You didn't know who Dr. Tucker was until this situation so he's definitely not an "eyesore on the university". Outside of this little bubble of maybe 500 Syracuse football fans who give a sht, no one cares. It's not national news, opposing fans probably aren't even aware of Steven Clark in general.

Enough of the hyperbole.

 

[bcubs9497]

You didn't know who Dr. Tucker was until this situation so he's definitely not an "eyesore on the university". Outside of this little bubble of maybe 500 Syracuse football fans who give a sht, no one cares. It's not national news, opposing fans probably aren't even aware of Steven Clark in general.

Enough of the hyperbole.

Doesn't have to be, or need to be, national news.

 

[Pyle]

Not at all. I'm not defending our medical staff.

It absolutely sucks that Steven can't continue playing at SU. But I don't see why people keep drumming up hysteria. Steven could be cleared by 200000 specialists, but Syracuse has to do what's best for the program, unfortunately. So Steven is allowed to transfer and keep playing.

If his father wasn't so vocal about it no one here would even be questioning anything.

Oh BS. Some of us have been questioning this since Knapp and Long. Shall I go dig up all the posts I've made over the years regarding our completely flawed DQ process and lack of expert opinions? You are in the severe minority here, maybe you are simply wrong and there really is a problem that really does need to be addressed. Not sure the motivation for your blind support and efforts to minimize this but feel free to keep spinning your wheels. The rest of us have had enough and you aren't about to convince us otherwise.

 

[orangecuse]

I haven't followed this thread in depth, so I'm not truly abreast with the particulars, precise process, etc., other than the situation is quite unfortunate. That stated, some of the responses here are interesting. Maybe, as bnoro has mentioned, some of the responses are influenced by the subject's parent posting here, again, maybe. I don't recall this much emotion about SU's process when other players were DQ'ed. I don't recall the outcry for AJ Long (a starting QB for us back in the fall of '14) when he was dq'ed and he went on to play at another school.

Medical opinions can vary, even significantly at times. I spent a number of years in the insurance industry and often observed/read many detailed narrative type reports & evaluations from medical doctors that had quite different assessments of the individual subject. This could range from permanent partial/full type impairments by one physician to none/nominal or slight by another MD. Opinions, even from qualified individuals, can and often do vary.

 

[bcubs9497]

I haven't followed this thread in depth, so I'm not truly abreast with the pertinent particulars, precise process, etc., other than the situation is quite unfortunate. That stated, some of the responses here are interesting. Maybe, as bnoro, has mentioned, some of the responses are influenced by the subject's parent posting here, again, maybe. I don't recall this much emotion about SU's process when other players were DQ'ed. I don't recall the outcry for AJ Long (a starting QB for us back in the fall of '14) when he was dq'ed and he went on to play at another school.

Medical opinions can vary, even significantly at times. I spent a number of years in the insurance industry and often observed/read many detailed narrative type reports & evaluations from medical doctors that had quite different assessments of the individual subject. This could range from permanent partial/full type impairments by one physician to none/nominal or slight by another MD. Opinions, even from qualified individuals, can and often do vary.

6 for and 1 against is a significant variation.

 

[007]

I haven't followed this thread in depth, so I'm not truly abreast with the particulars, precise process, etc., other than the situation is quite unfortunate. That stated, some of the responses here are interesting. Maybe, as bnoro, has mentioned, some of the responses are influenced by the subject's parent posting here, again, maybe. I don't recall this much emotion about SU's process when other players were DQ'ed. I don't recall the outcry for AJ Long (a starting QB for us back in the fall of '14) when he was dq'ed and he went on to play at another school.

Medical opinions can vary, even significantly at times. I spent a number of years in the insurance industry and often observed/read many detailed narrative type reports & evaluations from medical doctors that had quite different assessments of the individual subject. This could range from permanent partial/full type impairments by one physician to none/nominal or slight by another MD. Opinions, even from qualified individuals, can and often do vary.

I think most here understand that medical opinions can vary significantly. This is exactly why the process to disqualify should include a consensus of independent, expert medical opinion.

 

[orangecuse]

6 for and 1 against is a significant variation.

Possibly. But nothing is guaranteed. Not that this is on point, but my sister was advised statistically the odds were highly in her favor of having a 'normal' healthy child based upon history, health, age, etc. Her child was born with Down Syndrome.

 

[Scooch]

Just out of curiosity, how many players have been medically disqualified by SU since the start of the Marrone era? Would be helpful to understand the scope of it.

 

[RandomGuy]

The scary truth is if you knew the other story's of other players on the team and what has happened the last 2 years you would really be scared of what is going on with the guy making these decisions. You all have no idea

It's an issue for the team. Without trust in the medical staff, why wouldn't every kid try to hide anything they could, before going to "Dr. Death"? Without trust, the athletes well being is not being served. I can see minor injuries becoming major preventable ones.. In no circumstance is this a good doctor/patient relationship.

 

[cuse10]

Players are DQed every year at every school around the country. We even took one of those kids a few years back that got DQ'd at Nevada (Luke Arciniega i think). There's not a conspiracy here. It sucks Steven got DQ'd at SU but he can play elsewhere. We can take kids that have been DQ'd at other schools too. That doesn't mean our doctors are incompetent. It means they're looking out for Syracuse University, as unfortunate as that is in this case. That's all I'm saying.

There doesn't need to be a witchhunt over something like this. I don't care about Dr. Tucker and his credentials, or second opinions or the such. Steven is still playing football, and Syracuse football hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Life goes on, the world keeps turning.

Well put. Too many people here are taking this decision personally because Steven's father posts here. Step back for a second and relax. This is a business at the end of the day and Syracuse University is going to look out for itself first regardless of a few specialists saying he can play.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Just out of curiosity, how many players have been medically disqualified by SU since the start of the Marrone era? Would be helpful to understand the scope of it.

I think that is being looked into and maybe even a comparison to other ACC schools but I don't know the time frame for comparisons.