Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC

[TerryD]

Football independence is a mirage and good feelings and not much else lol

That post and two dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

It won't convince ND to join the ACC in football.

 

[nd1973]

Football independence is a mirage and good feelings and not much else lol

I agree with this also. Our current quasi-independence is a joke. When a conference dictates 40%(41%) of your schedule that isn't true independence. But it is better than the alternative for now.

 

[TheCusian]

Because the ACC payouts from partial membership and the ACC Network are set in contract, no matter what ND does before the ACC is gone.

Because ND's TV deal comes up in 2025, without a GOR, rather than in 2036 or later (if football joins, ESPN will want a longer GOR) with a GOR.

Because ND can put the contract on the open market in a few years, and get NBC, CBS, ESPN and maybe Amazon to bid on it.

Because the payout doesn't have to satisfy 14 or 15 schools, just ND.

Right. Joining in full would change the deal. The status quo would change nothing (implied lol).

Put it on the open market, then. I’m sure it will be a nice number until you are forced to join the B1G.

 

[WoadBlue]

If ND joins the ACC, you have a conference that is on par with the B1G and can renegotiate a mega-deal with networks.

You’re not joining the SEC, and like it or not, but they will own college sports. So it’s either of the two lesser conferences: ACC, B1G or Independence… and in this landscape, Independence is going to get tougher and tougher.

You can act like the ACC needs to do all these things, but more than likely, the ACC will either wait y’all out if/until it becomes too difficult to remain Independent or the ACC eventually falls and you have to join the B1G.

Ah, you are making the case that ND - having major power - should stop being passive and act forcefully to make certain that it eventually is not forced into a worst case, or nearly worst case, scenario. That, of course, is what true leaders do. ND has yet to show any such leadership, perhaps because it requires recognizing that to lead well, one must lead not just for oneself.

ND as a football football cannot, by itself, elevate TV deals to near equal with BT and SEC. ND and Penn State both might deliver that, but PSU has made a bed in the midwest, as lapdog to Ohio State and Michigan. ND may end up the same way

 

[TheCusian]

That post and two dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

It won't convince ND to join the ACC in football.

Didn’t realize we were actually negotiating for the two parties lol. No, I’m just pointing out the truth.

ND in a conference is the exact same as an independent. It gains no status from it. None.

 

[baggerbob]

But ACC fans still want ND to do what it doesn't want to do at all, and for the lowest possible price.

To me, that is arrogance.

This is what I keep seeing:

"I don't like the status quo so I demand that ND jettison independence, do it right now and take less money for it against its best interests because I say so and because it will help the school I root for."

Look, it seems inevitable to me that two super conferences will form and that ND will ultimately have to join one, no matter what.

Everything else seems to be re-arranging deck chairs until that inevitable day.

So, the best idea for ND seems to be for football to remain independent, to ride it out, to make sure ND is in its strongest and most flexible position, then pick the best one of the super conferences, not join the current ACC in football (especially not right now for half the payout and be locked into an even longer GOR).

I am sorry that is an unpopular opinion, but the ACC needs to do a better job than it has been doing, not ask ND to give up things to save it.

I strongly believe that neither Syracuse nor North Carolina nor any other school would do what you are asking if it were in ND's place.

The ACC needs to get creative. Convince Southern Cal, Stanford, Navy and two other schools to join it with ND, become a true coast to coast national conference, then get ESPN to agree that if ND joins, the payout will equal or be very close to SEC and Big Ten money.

I think that this is the job of the ACC to put together, not ND's job.

To me, that should be the pathway to getting ND to jettison independence, not to say we are tired of the status quo and that ND needs to do this to "save" the ACC from itself or we will be mad at you.

Only then can ND and the ACC have a real business discussion about ND dumping independence and joining the ACC.

Adding, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Navy, Oregon, California, Oregon St, Washington, Washington St, and Notre Dame.
That would be a good league, with history, and money.

 

[WoadBlue]

Then it appears that it may be the Big Ten, damn them.

ND will wait out the GOR in that circumstance, then join the Big Ten with Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or whoever else the Big Ten can attract from the ACC.

I would rather ND be doomed to that football conference membership in 10-15 years than jettison independence now for an inferior deal.

Is that how you plan as a father and husband?

 

[TheCusian]

Sorry, but I don't think that is the case. I think ND football is better for the indefinite future on its own.

You’re wrong.

 

[elimunelson]

Breaking: The Big 12 has sent a "cease and desist" letter to ESPN. The letter demands ESPN end "all actions that may harm the conference and its members and that it not communicate with the Big 12 Conference's existing members... 1/2

 

[Stern]

 

[TheCusian]

Ah, you are making the case that ND - having major power - should stop being passive and act forcefully to make certain that it eventually is not forced into a worst case, or nearly worst case, scenario. That, of course, is what true leaders do. ND has yet to show any such leadership, perhaps because it requires recognizing that to lead well, one must lead not just for oneself.

ND as a football football cannot, by itself, elevate TV deals to near equal with BT and SEC. ND and Penn State both might deliver that, but PSU has made a bed in the midwest, as lapdog to Ohio State and Michigan. ND may end up the same way

Talk about a righting of a wrong if PSU finally was in a conference with the remnants of the old BE and ND.

That plus the history of the ACC? And Clemson?!

That would be fun. Sigh.

 

[nd1973]

Nice. Now we're in the lawsuit territory. This may make ESPN force the ACC to bring in some of the leftovers of the Big 12.

 

[WoadBlue]

Adding, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Navy, Oregon, California, Oregon St, Washington, Washington St, and Notre Dame.
That would be a good league, with history, and money.

Money? Are you aware that the Pac is a rather distant #5 nationally in total TV viewers for both revenue sports? The ACC is #2 in basketball and #3 in football. Are you aware that Navy draws nothing for hoops and almost nothing for football save when playing ND or Army?

So you think ND and ND alone (because if SC and UCLA and Oregon could do it, the Pac would be sailing smoothly now with huge TV ratings) can make that league, spread across 4 time zones, wealthier and better in revenue sports (or baseball and lacrosse and soccer) than the ACC is now?

 

[elimunelson]

Nice. Now we're in the lawsuit territory. This may make ESPN force the ACC to bring in some of the leftovers of the Big 12.

Discovery is probably not the best friend of the SEC/Oklahoma/Texas.

 

[Tango32]

This could be my "one shining moment." At me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing I am the only poster here who has toured both the Stewart's Plant and Distribution Center and also taken the "Turkey Hill Experience." In other words ...

I'll raise you a Byrne plant, so make some room on that pedestal up there. But im jelly cuz im on the stewies train all day

 

[Alsacs]

Discovery is probably not the best friend of the SEC/Oklahoma/Texas.

Oklahoma and Texas are free to discuss membership with other conferences.
They just can’t use private information if the Big XII changed numbers with potential partners to a 3rd party.

I am glad the Big XII is looking to sue ESPN.

 

[WoadBlue]

Talk about a righting of a wrong if PSU finally was in a conference with the remnants of the old BE and ND.

That plus the history of the ACC? And Clemson?!

That would be fun. Sigh.

Yes it would - and very profitable for all.

JoePa had those delusions of grandeur even before PSU won a National Championship. So he wanted to force create an Eastern League in which all members bowed to him and PSU. But nobody wanted to do that. So JoePa turned his back on his own region and headed midwest after he'd begged enough to be accepted.

If JoePa had turned south to the ACC and proposed the first Super conference that would stretch from Boston down to Miami, everything would be different. CFB would be much bigger in the northeast, and the ACC would be where the BT and SEC are fiscally. And ACC football would be about as good as SEC football.

 

[Killdozer]

I

Where the hell did I say you individually. Cry more.
Our fanbase as a whole doesn’t get it but please make this post.

Think our fanbase "gets it", it is just not your same beliefs.

 

[Alsacs]

I

Think our fanbase "gets it", it is just not your same beliefs.

No, our fanbase doesn’t get it for the most part.
My opinions are different than what the truth of situation is.
If our fanbase thinks we are safe that is my point.
We are one move from being in big trouble.

Hopefully it never happens.

 

[Killdozer]

No, our fanbase doesn’t get it for the most part.
My opinions are different than what the truth of situation is.
If our fanbase thinks we are safe that is my point.
We are one move from being in big trouble.

Hopefully it never happens.

Wow, you really are full of yourself. You're so lucky to have a direct line to all conferences and business decision making before it hits the presses. Very impressive.

 

[orange79]

The single worst document that the Clemson administration has ever signed...

 

[Toga]

Lol, ND agreed to play Navy as long as the latter wants in gratitude for Navy's help in World War II.

In case you don't know, its Navy's choice to never play ND in Annapolis, not ND's.

Navy can sell more tickets in pro stadiums in big cities (and keep the money) than it can if it plays ND at home.

So, your high horseness about Navy is completely misplaced and you don't know as much about Navy and ND as you think that you do.

ND doesn't want to play Navy every year, (hates the option and cut blocks) but does so out of obligation and a handshake agreement made in the 1940's.

(I, for one, thinks that "debt" has been paid over and again)

Your post doesn't address ACC "arrogance" in wanting ND to do something that benefits the former more than the latter.

Maybe North Carolina (who has done more to put the ACC in this bad position than anyone with its basketball first leadership and decisions) should reduce its ACC payments in half to help the others out.

Or, North Carolina and Duke could drop out of the ACC for football and stay for basketball, and reduce their payouts accordingly.

After all, that would be reparations for the damage that Tobacco Road has done the ACC (John Swofford, anyone?) and let the football schools get a bigger payout.

Wouldn't that help the ACC stay together?

After all, why isn't it time for North Carolina to change over time. ??

NC would not do what you are asking ND to do if their positions were reversed.

Curious what views/takes you are getting on other non ND boards.

 

[orange79]

While I could "refute" most of what you said i would be better off pissing in the wind. But on one point, Declan Sullivan, BK , and should have been fired. But the family (Declan's family) got involved and forgave what happened and started a scholarship in his name. But it is really low of you and shows how little character you have that you are willing to stand on top of a coffin to bash ND. Congrats, you are a horrible person.

Listen.

You are a guest here.

And may not be for very much longer if you continue with the vein of the post above.

Settle down, Sparky.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Nice. Now we're in the lawsuit territory. This may make ESPN force the ACC to bring in some of the leftovers of the Big 12.

Problem is 6 of the 8 remaining need to find a home. Is the ACC really going to take KU, Okie State, Baylor, TCU, and Texas Tech?

ESPN is partners with the 8 schools. How the heck can you not communicate with your partner?

 

[Alsacs]

Wow, you really are full of yourself. You're so lucky to have a direct line to all conferences and business decision making before it hits the presses. Very impressive.

Thanks for not getting my point.