The committee finally annoyed the talking heads

[TheCusian]

There are seven SEC West teams and they all went 4-0. 7 x 4 = 28. I will grant you that the SEC West teams played a very weak OOC schedule. I've used this analogy b4. This argument reminds me of when SU would play the sisters of the poor in hoops in December and get criticized for it and then play 12-15 solid opponents in the BE. Who cares about OOC games early in the year if you played a very tough schedule thereafter? If you're going to play 5-6 top 30 ranked teams in the SEC then why on earth would you want to add on to that by playing a few more powerhouses? That would be suicidal. The last thing you could say about SEC West teams is that they played a weak overall schedule. The SEC has played a weak OOC schedule in the past and yet managed to win 71% of its bowl games over the last five years. Somehow that weak OOC didn't seem to matter come late December and January. Also didn't seem to stop four different SEC teams from winning NCs in the last decade. This OOC argument is goofy.

Weird. Had a brain fart. Go ahead and pencil in another 8 East Bumnuts State A&M's then.

How on earth can you say that they played a tough overall schedule? Based on what?

The committee said that SOS counts. Last years games are irrelevant. Therefore OOC counts. If the entire SEC plays weak OOC, then it becomes evident they are coasting on reputation alone. Normally that would be good for a BCS appearance. But now with the committee and the scrutiny that comes with it - those arguments are going to fade. Unless they start playing p5 teams as much as everyone else.

Basing your whole argument on things that don't involve this years results on the field is goofy. But in your defense, most of ESPN agrees with you.

 

[bpo57]

I'm not saying the ACC is better. I'm saying that it's impossible to tell how good they are based on who they played.

The SEC West's best team, Alabama - their best OOC win is WVU (barely). But they also played Southern Miss, Florida Atlantic, and the powerhouse team called Western Carolina.

Georgia played the toughest OOC in Clemson and Gtech (1-1 in those games).

Here are all 20 (28?) of those wins, p5 teams bolded:

• 08/30 – West Virginia (at Atlanta, GA)
• 09/06 – Florida Atlantic
• 09/13 – Southern Miss
• 11/22 – Western Carolina
• 08/30 – Southern Miss
• 09/06 – UAB
• 09/13 – at South Alabama
• 11/08 – UT Martin
• 08/28 – Boise State (at Atlanta, GA)
• 09/13 – UL Lafayette
• 09/27 – Memphis
• 11/08 – Presbyterian
• 09/06 – San Jose State
• 09/18 – at Kansas State
• 09/27 – Louisiana Tech
• 11/22 – Samford
• 08/30 – Wisconsin (at Houston, TX)
• 09/06 – Sam Houston State
• 09/13 – ULM
• 09/27 – New Mexico State

By my count, only 3 of those wins are worth anything at all. And not one SEC west team won more than one of those 3 games.

We're not talking about last year, or any of the past years, just this year, and their record this year doesn't justify how the conference is ranked. So quit trying to use past years, for your reference points, people understand in past years the SEC has been better. But its this year, and giving credit to teams like Mississippi, and Mississippi St just because they are in the SEC is wrong.

We'll find out soon enough.

 

[bpo57]

Weird. Had a brain fart. Go ahead and pencil in another 8 East Bumnuts State A&M's then.

How on earth can you say that they played a tough overall schedule? Based on what?

The committee said that SOS counts. Last years games are irrelevant. Therefore OOC counts. If the entire SEC plays weak OOC, then it becomes evident they are coasting on reputation alone. Normally that would be good for a BCS appearance. But now with the committee and the scrutiny that comes with it - those arguments are going to fade. Unless they start playing p5 teams as much as everyone else.

Basing your whole argument on things that don't involve this years results on the field is goofy. But in your defense, most of ESPN agrees with you.

A team like Miss State played Alabama, Miss, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas and Texas A&M. Show me an ACC team that played six games against similar quality teams.

Not sure why you can't see how history would shape people's point of view. Unless you have been hiding under a rock for the last decade it would be hard not to notice how year after year the SEC kicks the sheet out of the other conferences when it comes to the biggest games of the year. The SEC haters here can deny that all they want but until we see a different result I can understand how some "experts" would care to differ with you.

 

[TheCusian]

A team like Miss State played Alabama, Miss, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas and Texas A&M. Show me an ACC team that played six games against similar quality teams. Not sure why you can't see how history would shape people's point of view. Unless you have been hiding under a rock for the last decade it would be hard not to notice how year after year the SEC kicks the sheet out of the other conferences when it comes to the biggest games of the year. The SEC haters here can deny that all they want but until we see a different result I can understand how some "experts" would care to differ with you.

I don't know how you can be so sure that they are all quality. They've played each other a lot.

Texas A&M for example. Played no one OOC, lost 5 games. Are we sure they are better than BC? Same number of losses but a better OOC win vs USC.

 

[Alsacs]

A team like Miss State played Alabama, Miss, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas and Texas A&M. Show me an ACC team that played six games against similar quality teams.

Not sure why you can't see how history would shape people's point of view. Unless you have been hiding under a rock for the last decade it would be hard not to notice how year after year the SEC kicks the sheet out of the other conferences when it comes to the biggest games of the year. The SEC haters here can deny that all they want but until we see a different result I can understand how some "experts" would care to differ with you.

Go look at Mississippi State's schedule and compare that to UCLA's schedule and one school went 10-2 and the other went 9-3.

MSU is the SEC #2 and UCLA is the PAC-12 #3.
UCLA played a real schedule MSU is living on the SEC brand.
6 games out of 12 against good teams is a joke for MSU. Of course if your decent you should go 3-3 or 4-2 with 3 of those games at home and with 6 tomato cans your record is inflated.
The SEC implies that all 8 league games are tough. You may 4 or 5 tough games and 3 breathers.
The PAC-12 plays 9 conference games and 10 of 12 teams played a P5 team as well. So instead of inflating their records with easy wins and more undefeated non conference schedules they challenge themselves.

The SEC West is not as dominant as their perception makes them. The Mississippi schools one due to injuries and the other no signature wins are overrated.
LSU is young
A&M/Auburn suck badly on defense
Arkansas is good but lost 6 games
Bama is good and legit.

PAC-12 is just as good Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Arizona State, USC, Utah are just as good if not better than the SEC.

 

[CuseOnly]

A team like Miss State played Alabama, Miss, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas and Texas A&M. Show me an ACC team that played six games against similar quality teams.

Not sure why you can't see how history would shape people's point of view. Unless you have been hiding under a rock for the last decade it would be hard not to notice how year after year the SEC kicks the sheet out of the other conferences when it comes to the biggest games of the year. The SEC haters here can deny that all they want but until we see a different result I can understand how some "experts" would care to differ with you.

The argument is, how do you know those SEC teams that Miss State played are any good? Is it because the SEC teams they played beat other SEC teams that we also have no idea how good they are?

How can you tell how good ANY SEC team is if only 10 of them play 1 (YEA ONE) Decent OOC opponent?? Fact is they lost more than half of their OOC P5 games. Is it that we are supposed to assume the Miss State SEC opponents are good just because they are in the SEC and they played SEC opponents that are assumed to be good?

Explain?

No response to my earlier post I see...

 

[PoppyHart]

Okay. My rules then.

Based on OOC wins:

BIG 12
PAC12
SEC
ACC
BIG 10

The SEC is 5-6 vs the other P5 teams (.467). That's the 3rd best percentage. (The ACC is 10-7, BTW. Notice who plays more OCC games vs p5).

So, as for the Big 12, was it the win over Minnesota, Iowa, Maryland or Tennessee that got you so excited?

 

[bpo57]

The argument is, how do you know those SEC teams that Miss State played are any good? Is it because the SEC teams they played beat other SEC teams that we also have no idea how good they are?

How can you tell how good ANY SEC team is if only 10 of them play 1 (YEA ONE) Decent OOC opponent?? Fact is they lost more than half of their OOC P5 games. Is it that we are supposed to assume the Miss State SEC opponents are good just because they are in the SEC and they played SEC opponents that are assumed to be good?

Explain?

No response to my earlier post I see...

And how can you tell any ACC teams are any good? Because a few of them won games this past weekend against the dregs of the SEC? Please explain.

 

[CuseOnly]

And how can you tell any ACC teams are any good? Because a few of them won games this past weekend against the dregs of the SEC? Please explain.

How do we know the "upper" part of the SEC aren't also Dregs. Neither of them play anybody out of conference.

 

[bpo57]

That's my point. They can do what they want - but eventually people are going to figure out that they don't play anyone OOC. They are riding the bias for now.

Better hope Alabama doesn't lay an egg in its next two games. Like the Oklahoma bowl game last year...

Wasn't much of a surprise that Bama laid an egg to OU last year. OU was very good and not surprisingly Bama had a major letdown losing the way the did to their bitter rival and losing a shot at a 4th NC in less than a decade. We can all cherry pick one game here or there.

 

[bpo57]

How do we know the "upper" part of the SEC aren't also Dregs. Neither of them play anybody out of conference.

We'll find out soon enough, no? I'd say the trend is on the side of the SEC.

 

[Alsacs]

And how can you tell any ACC teams are any good? Because a few of them won games this past weekend against the dregs of the SEC? Please explain.

South Carolina beat Georgia, Florida beat Georgia, Kentucky barely lost to Mississippi State, Georgia beat Missouri.

The dregs of the SEC supposedly are better than the top of other conferences that is not true.

All the ACC showed was the SEC rep in the future should not be as high. The SEC is one really good team and bunch of above teams like most conferences. The rep of SEC invincibility takes a hit. In 2016 every SEC team will have to play at least 1 P5 OOC game.

 

[TheCusian]

Wasn't much of a surprise that Bama laid an egg to OU last year. OU was very good and not surprisingly Bama had a major letdown losing the way the did to their bitter rival and losing a shot at a 4th NC in less than a decade. We can all cherry pick one game here or there.

It's not a cherry pick. The last great team they played OOC beat them soundly. The barely got by WVU. That's it for the team getting the benefit of the doubt and the #1 ranking. They gave up 600 yards to Auburn.

 

[bpo57]

Go look at Mississippi State's schedule and compare that to UCLA's schedule and one school went 10-2 and the other went 9-3.

MSU is the SEC #2 and UCLA is the PAC-12 #3.
UCLA played a real schedule MSU is living on the SEC brand.
6 games out of 12 against good teams is a joke for MSU. Of course if your decent you should go 3-3 or 4-2 with 3 of those games at home and with 6 tomato cans your record is inflated.
The SEC implies that all 8 league games are tough. You may 4 or 5 tough games and 3 breathers.
The PAC-12 plays 9 conference games and 10 of 12 teams played a P5 team as well. So instead of inflating their records with easy wins and more undefeated non conference schedules they challenge themselves.

The SEC West is not as dominant as their perception makes them. The Mississippi schools one due to injuries and the other no signature wins are overrated.
LSU is young
A&M/Auburn suck badly on defense
Arkansas is good but lost 6 games
Bama is good and legit.

PAC-12 is just as good Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Arizona State, USC, Utah are just as good if not better than the SEC.

You know what ALSACs? I actually agree with you that the P-12 is just as good as the SEC this year, maybe even better. My disagreement is with the chuckleheads on this board that constantly whine about the SEC and somehow think the ACC is better than the SEC. They're smokin' some strong sheet.

 

[bpo57]

South Carolina beat Georgia, Florida beat Georgia, Kentucky barely lost to Mississippi State, Georgia beat Missouri.

The dregs of the SEC supposedly are better than the top of other conferences that is not true.

All the ACC showed was the SEC rep in the future should not be as high. The SEC is one really good team and bunch of above teams like most conferences. The rep of SEC invincibility takes a hit. In 2016 every SEC team will have to play at least 1 P5 OOC game.

I never said the dregs were better than the top of other conferences. Who said that? As for your first sentence I am sure you can play that game and somehow work it back so that Kansas is worthy of the NC.

 

[CuseOnly]

We'll find out soon enough, no? I'd say the trend is on the side of the SEC.

What trend? The 5-6 OOC P5 record for the SEC, I would say the opposite...

Remember when Bama beat a weak WVU team by 10, I do.

 

[bpo57]

It's not a cherry pick. The last great team they played OOC beat them soundly. The barely got by WVU. That's it for the team getting the benefit of the doubt and the #1 ranking. They gave up 600 yards to Auburn.

Cusian- flat out let's wager on it. I'll take Bama and you take FSU. Winner is the team that goes further. If they both lose this weekend or in the semi then it's a push.

 

[bpo57]

What trend? The 5-6 OOC P5 record for the SEC, I would say the opposite...

Remember when Bama beat a weak WVU team by 10, I do.

The trend I am talking about is SEC bowl dominance. 71% over the last five years. Plenty of those 6 losses this year were contributed by teams that won't even be playing in a bowl game this year. Funny what people can do with #s.

That same weak WVA team that beat Baylor?

 

[TheCusian]

So, as for the Big 12, was it the win over Minnesota, Iowa, Maryland or Tennessee that got you so excited?

You know what - you're right. I stand corrected. I think it's PAC12 at #1. Great OOC wins.

Interestingly enough the conference with the next best is the ACC. (Not enough for me to put them at 2, but interesting nonetheless.)

 

[Alsacs]

The ACC is not as good as the SEC until more non-FSU/Clemson teams win BCS bowls. Georgia Tech can accomplish this year if they win the orange bowl.
Tech has an outside shot at the playoffs.
The SEC is not as dominant this year but they are the best football conference.

 

[TheCusian]

The trend I am talking about is SEC bowl dominance. 71% over the last five years. Plenty of those 6 losses this year were contributed by teams that won't even be playing in a bowl game this year. Funny what people can do with #s. That same weak WVA team that beat Baylor?

There is not one team that has won a bowl game this season.

 

[TheCusian]

The ACC is not as good as the SEC until more non-FSU/Clemson teams win BCS bowls. Georgia Tech can accomplish this year if they win the orange bowl. Tech has an outside shot at the playoffs. The SEC is not as dominant this year but they are the best football conference.

It should be noted that the SEC didn't win a BCS bowl last year. I really think it's a lot closer than many think.

Really looking forward to how it might work out.

 

[CuseOnly]

The trend I am talking about is SEC bowl dominance. 71% over the last five years. Plenty of those 6 losses this year were contributed by teams that won't even be playing in a bowl game this year. Funny what people can do with #s.

That same weak WVA team that beat Baylor?

That Bowl record won't help this year unfortunately. Kind of funny how SEC teams that don't play any OOC good opponents always wound up int he top 20 in the pre-season AP poll. Naturally given an easier road to the NC game in the past 10 years. Kinda helps starting in the top 10 based solely on reputation from the previous year, don't you think?

Tough to come from #24 and win the NC, when 5 SEC teams start ahead of you and go 5-0 against "Rent An Opponent".

 

[bpo57]

There is not one team that has won a bowl game this season.

Alabama won the Iron Bowl last week.

 

[bpo57]

It should be noted that the SEC didn't win a BCS bowl last year. I really think it's a lot closer than many think.

Really looking forward to how it might work out.

True but not sure Auburn should hang its head in shame. Alabama on the other hand mailed it in.