The hurry up and wait offense

[Rocco]

I know this is supposed to be an up-tempo offense. It has shown signs of this at times this year, but it nowhere close to catching the opposing D off-guard. Once a play has been complete, we're pretty good at getting back lined up way before the D is set. Then we ruin it by looking to the sideline for the full play. It's the "hurry up and wait" offense. We either need to give Hunt more room to make calls at the line or just completely get rid of this communication system.

There were at least 10-15 times that we could've gotten the ball off with 4-5 Maryland guys still scrambling around. I don't give a damn if it is a FB dive, it would result in positive yardage when the NT isn't set. That is guaranteed. Allowing the D to get set seems absolutely insane when running the up-tempo. Hunt needs to have 3-4 instant hand calls he can make at the line when the D isn't set that the entire O can get in order to get a quick play off.

Austin Wilson would make a good third base coach ripping off hand signs all game, but this isn't effective at getting plays off quick. This is not rocket science.

 

[Crusty]

I know this is supposed to be an up-tempo offense. It has shown signs of this at times this year, but it nowhere close to catching the opposing D off-guard. Once a play has been complete, we're pretty good at getting back lined up way before the D is set. Then we ruin it by looking to the sideline for the full play. It's the "hurry up and wait" offense. We either need to give Hunt more room to make calls at the line or just completely get rid of this communication system.

There were at least 10-15 times that we could've gotten the ball off with 4-5 Maryland guys still scrambling around. I don't give a damn if it is a FB dive, it would result in positive yardage when the NT isn't set. That is guaranteed. Allowing the D to get set seems absolutely insane when running the up-tempo. Hunt needs to have 3-4 instant hand calls he can make at the line when the D isn't set that the entire O can get in order to get a quick play off.

Austin Wilson would make a good third base coach ripping off hand signs all game, but this isn't effective at getting plays off quick. This is not rocket science.

You're on a roll Rocco, my friend!

 

[Rocco]

Or get off a quick strike to Estime when the DB's are all looking around at each other with their hands in the air.

 

[SUFan44]

I know this is supposed to be an up-tempo offense. It has shown signs of this at times this year, but it nowhere close to catching the opposing D off-guard. Once a play has been complete, we're pretty good at getting back lined up way before the D is set. Then we ruin it by looking to the sideline for the full play. It's the "hurry up and wait" offense. We either need to give Hunt more room to make calls at the line or just completely get rid of this communication system.

There were at least 10-15 times that we could've gotten the ball off with 4-5 Maryland guys still scrambling around. I don't give a damn if it is a FB dive, it would result in positive yardage when the NT isn't set. That is guaranteed. Allowing the D to get set seems absolutely insane when running the up-tempo. Hunt needs to have 3-4 instant hand calls he can make at the line when the D isn't set that the entire O can get in order to get a quick play off.

Austin Wilson would make a good third base coach ripping off hand signs all game, but this isn't effective at getting plays off quick. This is not rocket science.

Especially on a 2nd and short or 3rd and short. Gain 9 yards on 1st down, get up to the line and have three "quick plays". One a simple run, one a simple pass, then one a simple play action, two-route play. Hell, you can even assign one-word calls to the plays. Something simple.

 

[CuseOnly]

Should do just like the 2 min offense, call 2 plays at once. No subs and call a 2nd play that is set up by the first. If you don't get a first, then sub and call a play based on the first 2 and take a little more time.

 

[bevosu]

It's meathead football. A lot of teams do it. Doesn't seem real smart.

 

[oldpinepoint]

have two plays called in on first down, that way you know what you second down play is before you execute first down

 

[ImperialOrange]

have two plays called in on first down, that way you know what you second down play is before you execute first down

I hope this Is the goal. We need to clean up out execution on first down before that though. Need to have a reasonable expectation that we will be in second and 7 at worst and right now it could just as likely be seond and 10+.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'm glad that I am not the only one bothered by this, and honestly if SU is going to be a running team, it becomes much easier to go faster. Line up with two backs and use the read option with the ability for Hunt to audible to a pass if the other team puts 9 in the box. Run the same play until the defense shows they can stop it. Make them call timeout to make an adjustment, which would be a nice change.

 

[upperdeck]

the issue is to run the faster offense you have to trust the QB to get you into more than 1-2 plays. the pro qb dont even do this so why do you expect an avg college QB to manage a game like this? you cant just go run/pass option that is going to get you killed.

 

[SmilinBob]

Can't you game plan for the 3rd and 1's or 4's or 8's ahead of time? Set it up as X and if the defense has the perfect D then slow it down and audible but if not run your preplanned plays for X amounts of yardage needed as fast as possible.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Worst application of "hurry-up" football history. I was thinking the same thing watching it in person on Sat. The D had plenty of time to rotate players in a d out while we were still contemplating a play. Aren't we supposed to send multiple plays in at once for a proper hurry-up?

 

[Millhouse]

I know this is supposed to be an up-tempo offense. It has shown signs of this at times this year, but it nowhere close to catching the opposing D off-guard. Once a play has been complete, we're pretty good at getting back lined up way before the D is set. Then we ruin it by looking to the sideline for the full play. It's the "hurry up and wait" offense. We either need to give Hunt more room to make calls at the line or just completely get rid of this communication system.

There were at least 10-15 times that we could've gotten the ball off with 4-5 Maryland guys still scrambling around. I don't give a damn if it is a FB dive, it would result in positive yardage when the NT isn't set. That is guaranteed. Allowing the D to get set seems absolutely insane when running the up-tempo. Hunt needs to have 3-4 instant hand calls he can make at the line when the D isn't set that the entire O can get in order to get a quick play off.

Austin Wilson would make a good third base coach ripping off hand signs all game, but this isn't effective at getting plays off quick. This is not rocket science.

you cant have hunt running all over the field and expect a fast paced offense.

 

[Full_Rebar]

the issue is to run the faster offense you have to trust the QB to get you into more than 1-2 plays. the pro qb dont even do this so why do you expect an avg college QB to manage a game like this? you cant just go run/pass option that is going to get you killed.

Not all the time. Do you think the other college teams that push the pace are doing so with NFL QB's? You don't think that on Saturday, Syracuse could have run AAM up the middle 3 plays in a row while pushing tempo?

If McDonald hadn't been so eager to tell everyone since last winter about how fast he was going to play, we wouldn't be talking about tempo.

 

[upperdeck]

can you show me one team that is pushing the pace that is not doing the same thing we are? they all stop and look to the sideline too. this is all about getting to the line so the D cant adjust. there are not teams going to the line and calling the play ahead of time off a preset list.

you can argue some teams are getting the plays in faster and i would agree with that.

our pace is much faster, perhaps it seems slower because we wait around at the line instead of slowing walking down to a huddle. we are getting many plays off with 20 secs on the play clock, we never did that last year, but we also are getting to the line within 10 secs so that still leaves us 15 secs to mil around.

 

[Millhouse]

can you show me one team that is pushing the pace that is not doing the same thing we are? they all stop and look to the sideline too. this is all about getting to the line so the D cant adjust. there are not teams going to the line and calling the play ahead of time off a preset list.

you can argue some teams are getting the plays in faster and i would agree with that.

our pace is much faster, perhaps it seems slower because we wait around at the line instead of slowing walking down to a huddle. we are getting many plays off with 20 secs on the play clock, we never did that last year, but we also are getting to the line within 10 secs so that still leaves us 15 secs to mil around.

it takes time to count defenders and make sure that everyone is covered before throwing the bubble screen for no gain

 

[upperdeck]

yeah but its better than only waiting for half the play to come in from the sideline before throwing the flat pass to the DB. it was probably his best throw of the day. of all the times to be on target .

 

[OburgCuse]

I've thought about this also and I agree it's definitely not a hurry up offense in that we are snapping before defense is ready, but as mentioned above we are consistently getting lined up immediately and snapping early in the play clock which does have a good function in not allowing the defense to sub much. So we may not be catching them off guard but it still can be effective by limiting subbing and either wearing teams down that way or creating personnel mismatches.

The biggest issue I see with us trying to use hurry up is what Millhouse said above about Hunt running so much...he's completely gassed every drive by time we were getting down toward the redzone. As I was watching on TV I could see him trying to catch his breath before the snap almost every play and I believe this was also the case on the pick 6. This probably had some effect on his passing accuracy as well (especially on 3rd downs). As effective of a runner as he is we really need to limit his running as much as possible to keep him fresh. I am all for his running and scrambling as that's what makes him so effective but ideally we want him doing that on 3rd down plays to extend drives or read option plays to keep the defense honest not scrambling then taking a hit after a 3 yd run on 2nd and 12.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Can college qb's be wired to get plays like the NFL? I assume not. Is checking helmets a standard check in the NCAA - some teams like ours stare forever at the sidelines for offensive/defensive plays while others appear to never take a glance.

On Maryland's success with their bubble screens, is it the defensive captain/ LB who calls out a shift when an offensive player takes off towards the sideline uncovered for the bubble screen or do coaches have to micromanage those defensive calls? Thanks for answering a relatively dumb fan other than the basics when it comes to football.

 

[Full_Rebar]

can you show me one team that is pushing the pace that is not doing the same thing we are? they all stop and look to the sideline too. this is all about getting to the line so the D cant adjust. there are not teams going to the line and calling the play ahead of time off a preset list.

you can argue some teams are getting the plays in faster and i would agree with that.

our pace is much faster, perhaps it seems slower because we wait around at the line instead of slowing walking down to a huddle. we are getting many plays off with 20 secs on the play clock, we never did that last year, but we also are getting to the line within 10 secs so that still leaves us 15 secs to mil around.

Getting to the line and standing there only keeps the defense from changing packages- except when the offense is busy running out a new set of 3 WR's. Standing at the line in formation also allows the defense to respond and adjust their call. I'll be honest that I haven't paid close attention to SU's pre-snap motion, so maybe others can comment on what is happening in terms of shifts/motion.

There is a reason why more teams use those graphic boards for play calls. You don't have to wait for the string of signals before getting ready to snap the ball.

Again, I don't have a problem with the current tempo except the OC promising we'd see some hyper-speed offense when that isn't the case. As others have said, the only person getting gassed is Hunt. If SU needs to slow down and be a power running team, that's fine. Getting more points on the board is the most important thing.

 

[Rocco]

Can college qb's be wired to get plays like the NFL? I assume not. Is checking helmets a standard check in the NCAA - some teams like ours stare forever at the sidelines for offensive/defensive plays while others appear to never take a glance.

On Maryland's success with their bubble screens, is it the defensive captain/ LB who calls out a shift when an offensive player takes off towards the sideline uncovered for the bubble screen or do coaches have to micromanage those defensive calls? Thanks for answering a relatively dumb fan other than the basics when it comes to football.

Yes the Mike is calling out shifts and audibles in coverage if need be. That is on Hodge. This is his 1st year as the Mike, so there have been missed calls for sure. For the most part, he has done a good job, but needs to keep working on recognizing the offensive sets as well as his own angle of attack. He has made some really stupid lines to the ball that have allowed a play to blow by him.

And no, college QB's are not wired. At least I don't think they are.

 

[Rocco]

you cant have hunt running all over the field and expect a fast paced offense.

No question. The problem with Hunt is that he goes to his feet too quick and doesn't allow his receivers to fully cut into their routes IMO. The other side of that story is that he is a very productive runner.

He is gassed after 6-7 plays no question, so they need to really hammer the ball up the middle or give him easy slants. They were wide open the entire game against Maryland.

 

[upperdeck]

he was gassed after the first play of the 2nd half. perhaps he was fighting a cold.

 

[Rocco]

he was gassed after the first play of the 2nd half. perhaps he was fighting a cold.

Could be a lot of things, but the biggest issue would be his conditioning. I hope something else factored in and it wasn't that.