Don’t click on the thread then. You don’t need to be here if you don’t want to read it.“We haven’t been good.” We know
“We’re not the program we once were.” We know
“Here’s evidence of how not good we are.” Why? We all agreed with you.
Don’t click on the thread then. You don’t need to be here if you don’t want to read it.“We haven’t been good.” We know
“We’re not the program we once were.” We know
“Here’s evidence of how not good we are.” Why? We all agreed with you.
Don’t click on the thread then. You don’t need to be here if you don’t want to read it.
People are frustrated with the status quo.It’s just just this thread. It’s the first 4 pages of the forum.
You probably should go back two years to the start of the downfall.
2012-13 we had a talented team that played no one until late February. We finished the season losing 4 out of 5. Then came the turning point IMO of the program. JB went to the grind it out style which resulted in a great BET and NCAA run. That style of play and recruiting players to fit it was the start of the end.
2013-14 was the only good regular season in the last NINE years. The results to start the year were great but the style was hard to watch. Grinding out all those close games took its toll and we finished the season 2-6.
We have opened things up a bit the last two years but the talent is severely lacking.
I really think JB is here three more years. He will stay through Buddy and then one more. So we are looking at 12 years of basketball which is totally different from Big East JB. I hope he doesn't ruin his legacy. I also hope that the fans do not turn on him. It would be sad to only see 15k and angry fans every game.
I am amazed that people think things would be better if Hop stayed. He was there through 2016-17. Even if you want to blame JB for not pursuing kids that Hop wanted, we have seen what Hop can do coaching those kids.
We were lucky to have Big East JB and didn't deserve such success. We deserve better than ACC JB and shouldn't be held hostage for an entire decade.
Why didn’t we deserve it? The table was set for success in the 80s-90s.We were lucky to have Big East JB and didn't deserve such success.
Again exaggeration doesn’t help these arguments. 2013 was not a good year
and we played nobody until the end? Clown post. We were a 4 seed and 26-9 entering the tournament. I swear some people think people forget facts here.
We beat number one Louisville and top 25 Cincinnati in back to back games that year in January. We were the 8th ranked KP team that year. The BE was ten times better than the ACC is this year.
I suppose there's no reason foe the forum, then. What else do we talk about?It’s just just this thread. It’s the first 4 pages of the forum.
People are frustrated with the status quo.
The status quo that hasn’t changed for a while.
We do the same things year after year and don’t address the weaknesses.
The HC is a legend but the complaints aren’t made up.
If things were good I would be positive. I don’t pretend to be optimistic just to be optimistic.
The facts are the facts. People can support the team, and program and call a spade a spade.
If their was reason to be optimistic in the future the frustration would be dissipated . It’s not though.
What centers do we have coming in next year?
What guards do we have coming in next year?
The answer is none and none. This roster has flaws and they aren’t being addressed. That is on the HC.
The HC blames defense yesterday and doesn’t play his best defensive guard. Don’t complain about the defense then.
The tenure of the board is a buildup of the status quo not changing.
A good counter would be to give examples. The post season that year was GREAT. The regular season ended up being a disappointment. Look at the schedule before posting. Thanks.
How much of our slide is losing Fine and Murphy? We never replaced either. We still had a stacked team in 2012 without those two coaches. Then the talent started going downhill and JB did not have his 2nd in command to help coach.
That is a possibility. If we continue to slide, it will get harder to attract the best candidates to replace JB and for his replacement to maintain or improve upon the success we've had. Here's hoping JB has one more rebound in him.Can’t wait for a coach to come in here and turn in .400 seasons. That’ll be a fun chapter.
A good counter would be to give examples. The post season that year was GREAT. The regular season ended up being a disappointment. Look at the schedule before posting. Thanks.
Isn’t this kind of similar to how Coach P’s tenure came to an end in football? Our football record continued to get worse for a few years and we had become mediocre compared to the success we had in prior years (Fiesta Bowls, Orange Bowl, etc.). Granted, Gross came in and wanted to make his own hire and Coach P did not have the overall longevity and/or track record as Boeheim, but the results the past handful of years are pretty similar.
Just to further my point in our first 19 games we went 18-1. That is a great start. Then we finished 5-7 in our last 12, which is a disappointment no?
Our first 19 games we played 5 teams that made the NCAAT, which isn't overall challenging correct? We went 4-1 in those games which is good.
Our last 12 games we went 1-6 vs NCAAT teams, which is a big disappointment no? And we went 4-1 against non NCAAT teams, which doesn't help correct?
We played our way into a 4 seed because of the BET. That made up for what was a disappointing regular season. Overall it was a good season, my point was toward the regular season.
The Big East from 2005-2013 was a stronger league than this ACC.
This ACC is more top heavy now but the BE from 2005-2013 was top heavy, middle heavy. The bottoms were about the same though.
What are your expectations then? You’re awfully focused on about a 2 week stretch in the schedule which in your opinion ruined the rest of the season and you believe it was the start of our slide. I think it’s moronic and will double down every time.
And JB not deserving the BE is just a weird take. You seem like you are poo pooing any past success we had.
What is your point?Can’t wait for a coach to come in here and turn in .400 seasons. That’ll be a fun chapter.
He didn't say 2013 wasn't a good year. He said you can go back and trace the beginning of the decline to it. It wasn't obvious at the time, but, looking back, you could see some cracks beginning to form. We had a lot of good pieces but lacked that scorer that could break down guys in the halfcourt and get his own shot when necessary the way Waiters could the year before. When the top of the zone turned teams over and we got into transition, we were great. When teams made us score in the halfcourt, we had trouble. That hurt us in conference play that year.Again exaggeration doesn’t help these arguments. 2013 was not a good year
and we played nobody until the end? Clown post. We were a 4 seed and 26-9 entering the tournament. I swear some people think people forget facts here.
We beat number one Louisville and top 25 Cincinnati in back to back games that year in January. We were the 8th ranked KP team that year. The BE was ten times better than the ACC is this year.
You probably should go back two years to the start of the downfall.
2012-13 we had a talented team that played no one until late February. We finished the season losing 4 out of 5. Then came the turning point IMO of the program. JB went to the grind it out style which resulted in a great BET and NCAA run. That style of play and recruiting players to fit it was the start of the end.
2013-14 was the only good regular season in the last NINE years. The results to start the year were great but the style was hard to watch. Grinding out all those close games took its toll and we finished the season 2-6.
We have opened things up a bit the last two years but the talent is severely lacking.
I really think JB is here three more years. He will stay through Buddy and then one more. So we are looking at 12 years of basketball which is totally different from Big East JB. I hope he doesn't ruin his legacy. I also hope that the fans do not turn on him. It would be sad to only see 15k and angry fans every game.
I am amazed that people think things would be better if Hop stayed. He was there through 2016-17. Even if you want to blame JB for not pursuing kids that Hop wanted, we have seen what Hop can do coaching those kids.
We were lucky to have Big East JB and didn't deserve such success. We deserve better than ACC JB and shouldn't be held hostage for an entire decade.
But it hasn't been. Look at the number of teams in the ACC that are in the rankings or making the tournament (and their seeds) compared to the number the Big East had when we were there. It has been no harder since we joined the ACC.just caught the replies to this. Yes, the BE was v good. My point was that towards the end of our time in the big East, we knew that shifting into an acc with Duke, UNC, Ville, etc etc was going to be harder. Top flight recruits, blue bloods, etc.
Day in and day out, our competition is harder now (even tho the acc is down this year).
Generally speaking, we were going into a conference that should be considered the best basketball conference each year (even if it isn’t always).
What is your point?
How about countering the points being made instead of just playing What if.