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After seeing the first two games (and admittedly it’s very early), it seems to me that we have two players who play best with the ball in their hands with similar skills. I’m wondering if Judah and JJ should really be playing together.

Here’s my proposal for our starting five. Judah is a given. But I am really starting to like Cuffe’s game - he is so strong defensively and can shoot. Benny will bring a mismatch, some rebounding and defense, Bell has improved his all around game and can shoot. And McLeod for defense and for the lob game.

Mintz
Cuffe
Benny
Bell
McLeod

Depending upon how well the first five do, choose a time to bring in these five (maybe all at once!). Starling is best with the ball in his hands driving and distributing. Taylor for shooting and rebounding, Brown for his all around play, Cope brings the energy and all around game and Carey holds down the middle.

Starling
Taylor
Brown
Cope/Westry
Carey

Too soon to really know where Westry will fit best until we see him in action.

I know it’s not necessarily ideal to have wholesale substitutions, but it might help us develop some chemistry between players. We have so many good players Red might have trouble finding continuity otherwise.
 
the lack of offense and flow would pretty much mean you have to start the 2 guards who can drive to the basket.
 
Umm no offense but there no freaking way JJ comes of the bench.
No offense taken at all. JJ is a supreme talent. Hope he can develop an outside shot that teams have to respect.

Really liking what Cuffe is showing and how well it balances either Judah or JJ. Red has some tremendously difficult decisions to make in terms of balancing offense and defense and outside shooting.
 
I think JB played too few guys but Red is going to have to be smart on game day PT decisions. I am not sold that anyone other than Judah and Maliq are going to be consistent enough in their role to warrant big minutes. I know JJ was a big time player but as of yet he has not been impressive let alone good. Q, Bell and JT are hot and cold and Cuffe looks good but that jury is obviously still out.

Benny needs to be good - not just a good stand alone 3 point shooter, but a good basketball player, and that need scares me more than anything else with this team. Defense and half court offense need to get much better, but I'm still excited for the season and the change.
 
I think JB played too few guys but Red is going to have to be smart on game day PT decisions. I am not sold that anyone other than Judah and Maliq are going to be consistent enough in their role to warrant big minutes. I know JJ was a big time player but as of yet he has not been impressive let alone good. Q, Bell and JT are hot and cold and Cuffe looks good but that jury is obviously still out.

Benny needs to be good - not just a good stand alone 3 point shooter, but a good basketball player, and that need scares me more than anything else with this team. Defense and half court offense need to get much better, but I'm still excited for the season and the change.

Yep. I want to see whose playing the best each game and give them the opportunity thus giving us the best chance to win. So far I think Red has shown willingness to do that. One game a guy is lights out and plays 38 but maybe 22 mins the next etc.
 
I'm just excited that it looks like we have legitimate options and can mix and match, Uncle Rico style.

I like Cuffe. I didn't expect anything from him at first but I think he'll help and we're going to need him to be as good as he seems.

Long been a fan of Quadir. He's going to impact some games in a big way.

I'm a Bell-iever. Deal with it.

Taylor I've been skeptical of fit, but if he keeps hitting shots and playing hard he'll fill some crucial minutes.

Even Carey has had some moments, which I didn't expect at this point.

I think this will be a fun team.
 
JJs shot looks like a real issue if JJ and Judah are going to be out there together a heck of a lot, which is expected. Almost everyone has looked bad from range early. Would feel better about both JJ and Judah's shot if it looked like they had some chemistry brewing together. So far it's been more like one hangs out while the other tries to get to the rim.

Good game from Bell yesterday. Only problem is the one area we could really use from him now, the three ball, has not looked dialed in. Still good to see him filling up the stat sheet in other areas though. Had a couple really nice blocks and looked at least much better than the first game in man to man. One particular block in the second half showed some pretty serious hops. Really hope he can put it all together.
 
After seeing the first two games (and admittedly it’s very early), it seems to me that we have two players who play best with the ball in their hands with similar skills. I’m wondering if Judah and JJ should really be playing together.

Here’s my proposal for our starting five. Judah is a given. But I am really starting to like Cuffe’s game - he is so strong defensively and can shoot. Benny will bring a mismatch, some rebounding and defense, Bell has improved his all around game and can shoot. And McLeod for defense and for the lob game.

Mintz
Cuffe
Benny
Bell
McLeod

Depending upon how well the first five do, choose a time to bring in these five (maybe all at once!). Starling is best with the ball in his hands driving and distributing. Taylor for shooting and rebounding, Brown for his all around play, Cope brings the energy and all around game and Carey holds down the middle.

Starling
Taylor
Brown
Cope/Westry
Carey

Too soon to really know where Westry will fit best until we see him in action.

I know it’s not necessarily ideal to have wholesale substitutions, but it might help us develop some chemistry between players. We have so many good players Red might have trouble finding continuity otherwise.
I have to admit I had similar thoughts. The type of game JJ and Judah play is very similar, and if they cannot figure out a way to work off each other, then they cannot be in at the same time for extended periods. I still think JJ should start but the guards should be worked in and out to keep them fresh and aggressive on defense. It is going to be interesting how this all shakes out by Jan/Feb. I do not think Carey is ready enough to get extended minutes this season and Brown will play the 5 before Carey/Hima or Patterson. If JJ and Judah can play at the same time and make each other better/more efficient, I think we are going to be very tough on offense with Benny and Cope/Justin/Chris and McLeod/Brown. Cuffe should be the first off the bench for a guard sub, and Cope or Justin should be off the bench for a forward if Bell is still slotted for the starting role or if McLeod is coming out. I am hoping Carey/Hima are only used if fouls are an issue
 
I have to admit I had similar thoughts. The type of game JJ and Judah play is very similar, and if they cannot figure out a way to work off each other, then they cannot be in at the same time for extended periods. I still think JJ should start but the guards should be worked in and out to keep them fresh and aggressive on defense. It is going to be interesting how this all shakes out by Jan/Feb. I do not think Carey is ready enough to get extended minutes this season and Brown will play the 5 before Carey/Hima or Patterson. If JJ and Judah can play at the same time and make each other better/more efficient, I think we are going to be very tough on offense with Benny and Cope/Justin/Chris and McLeod/Brown. Cuffe should be the first off the bench for a guard sub, and Cope or Justin should be off the bench for a forward if Bell is still slotted for the starting role or if McLeod is coming out. I am hoping Carey/Hima are only used if fouls are an issue

Both Judah and JJ need to find more purpose off the ball when on the court together. In the first 5 or 6 games last year this was an issue with Judah and Joe with them failing to play off one another but then they figured it out. So I'm optimistic that can be the case. JJ has to be a spot up shooter and lock in to doing so and a driver. The mid range shot off the bounce is a please no don't shoot it.
 
Both Judah and JJ need to find more purpose off the ball when on the court together. In the first 5 or 6 games last year this was an issue with Judah and Joe with them failing to play off one another but then they figured it out. So I'm optimistic that can be the case. JJ has to be a spot up shooter and lock in to doing so and a driver. The mid range shot off the bounce is a please no don't shoot it.
I think "more purpose off the ball" is a good point. JJ and Judah are each going to draw defenders and will open up shots for others. I saw a play run last night a few times where a guard drove, passed the ball to Justin in the post, which was quickly dished off to McLeod made the easy dunk. I think something similar can be drawn up with Judah driving, the defense collapsing, and JJ ends up with a high percentage shot, or vice versa. I think a legitimate shooting threat is necessary to spread the floor, whether it is JJ/Judah or a forward.
 
I'm just excited that it looks like we have legitimate options and can mix and match, Uncle Rico style.

I like Cuffe. I didn't expect anything from him at first but I think he'll help and we're going to need him to be as good as he seems.

Long been a fan of Quadir. He's going to impact some games in a big way.

I'm a Bell-iever. Deal with it.

Taylor I've been skeptical of fit, but if he keeps hitting shots and playing hard he'll fill some crucial minutes.

Even Carey has had some moments, which I didn't expect at this point.

I think this will be a fun team.
Qadir did not have a good game last night. Shooting was poor. Got to the basket but failed to finish repeatedly. He has to be better to play.
 
if jj’s shot is as bad as some are making it out, then what was Gerry doing with him all summer? Sounds like the mechanics haven’t changed.
 
I think JB played too few guys but Red is going to have to be smart on game day PT decisions. I am not sold that anyone other than Judah and Maliq are going to be consistent enough in their role to warrant big minutes.

I know JJ was a big time player but as of yet he has not been impressive let alone good. Q, Bell and JT are hot and cold and Cuffe looks good but that jury is obviously still out.

Benny needs to be good - not just a good stand alone 3 point shooter, but a good basketball player, and that need scares me more than anything else with this team. Defense and half court offense need to get much better, but I'm still excited for the season and the change.

LOL WUT??!! Did you not watch him in the first exhibition game?

He scored 10 on 5/11, plus 6 boards, 6 dimes, 2 steals, and 1 block.

pffft! boooring!
replacement-player level stats!! :p



Also - let's not forget that an injured JJ, playing on a craptastic ND team -
still managed to be voted to the Frosh All-ACC team last year.

All-Freshman Team
Kyle Filipowski, Duke, 75 votes
Judah Mintz, Syracuse, 72
Tyrese Proctor, Duke, 51
JJ Starling, Notre Dame, 39
Dereck Lively II, Duke, 39

JJ got the same # of votes as a consensus 5* dude who got drafted in the lottery (12th) in the first round.

I'll concede that JJ wasn't great in this last game, but he also is working out how to play with and off of Judah.
There's no doubt that their chemistry will improve with game reps.
 
LOL WUT??!! Did you not watch him in the first exhibition game?

He scored 10 on 5/11, plus 6 boards, 6 dimes, 2 steals, and 1 block.

pffft! boooring!
replacement-player level stats!! :p



Also - let's not forget that an injured JJ, playing on a craptastic ND team -
still managed to be voted to the Frosh All-ACC team last year.

All-Freshman Team
Kyle Filipowski, Duke, 75 votes
Judah Mintz, Syracuse, 72
Tyrese Proctor, Duke, 51
JJ Starling, Notre Dame, 39
Dereck Lively II, Duke, 39

JJ got the same # of votes as a consensus 5* dude who got drafted in the lottery (12th) in the first round.

I'll concede that JJ wasn't great in this last game, but he also is working out how to play with and off of Judah.
There's no doubt that their chemistry will improve with game reps.
Yes I watched them both thanks. You think he's looked good, cool. If any coach has their defender within 2 feet of him (or Juda for that matter) while defending on the perimeter, they should be canned on the spot. Transition baskets go away against our schedule and so far that has all he has shown.
 
Yes I watched them both thanks. You think he's looked good, cool. If any coach has their defender within 2 feet of him (or Juda for that matter) while defending on the perimeter, they should be canned on the spot. Transition baskets go away against our schedule and so far that has all he has shown.

Transition buckets go away against our schedule? Another crystal ball prediction from the hip. The takes after just 2 exhibition games are wild lol. Everyone should slow down on projecting failures as seems to be the current hot take early season. Give it some time.
 
Umm no offense but there no freaking way JJ comes off the bench.

I agree with this, but I think if he or Judah make any bad mistakes early, we could see Cuffe at the first TV timeout. And I'm comfortable with that. I like Cuffe's game. I think he will keep the other guys on their toes.
 
No offense taken at all. JJ is a supreme talent. Hope he can develop an outside shot that teams have to respect.

Really liking what Cuffe is showing and how well it balances either Judah or JJ. Red has some tremendously difficult decisions to make in terms of balancing offense and defense and outside shooting.

I agree with you right now, Mark. That outside shot of his looked like terrible form, and if there's somebody who might play his way out of a starting spot, it's him and Chris Bell that I'm looking at first.
 
I think JB played too few guys but Red is going to have to be smart on game day PT decisions. I am not sold that anyone other than Judah and Maliq are going to be consistent enough in their role to warrant big minutes. I know JJ was a big time player but as of yet he has not been impressive let alone good. Q, Bell and JT are hot and cold and Cuffe looks good but that jury is obviously still out.

Benny needs to be good - not just a good stand alone 3 point shooter, but a good basketball player, and that need scares me more than anything else with this team. Defense and half court offense need to get much better, but I'm still excited for the season and the change.
You don’t think Judah is going to be consistent enough? What?
 
if jj’s shot is as bad as some are making it out, then what was Gerry doing with him all summer? Sounds like the mechanics haven’t changed.
The problem is with shooting is, how many guys go from being poor to really good in a year? If it happened a lot everybody would shoot 40%.

You could live in a gym and it doesn’t mean you’re going to be a great shooter.
 
Defense is going to be a very big consideration now. I know it was big with JB, but m2m doesn’t let you ‘hide’ anybody and the compensations (doubles, aggressive help, hedges, etc) for bad defenders can be hard to pull off outside of a ‘switch everything’ defense.

I haven’t been able to watch anything but the highlights for the exhibition games but, from what’s been posted here, we might have some guys whose minutes should be dictated by defense more so than offense.

JJ and Judah will start and play big minutes. The options at Center are limited. So it all really just comes down to the two Forwards.
 
I think JB played too few guys but Red is going to have to be smart on game day PT decisions. I am not sold that anyone other than Judah and Maliq are going to be consistent enough in their role to warrant big minutes. I know JJ was a big time player but as of yet he has not been impressive let alone good. Q, Bell and JT are hot and cold and Cuffe looks good but that jury is obviously still out.

Benny needs to be good - not just a good stand alone 3 point shooter, but a good basketball player, and that need scares me more than anything else with this team. Defense and half court offense need to get much better, but I'm still excited for the season and the change.

Good post. Very much agree.

Instead of minutes, how about tiers of importance to the team? That might be a different way to look at it, and last year, that's why I targeted Maliq Brown as a guy who was going to have a bigger than expected role because of his skill set.

This year, I see most of the floor time going to these Tier 1 guys:

Judah Maccabee
Maliq Brown

And I think that's it. And I think that with these guys, we're maxing out at 30 minutes per game this year. Judah got 29 last night on a night that JJ just didn't have it. That might remain the case this year; we have a lot of interchangeable parts, and a lot of guys with gaps in their skill sets again.

Tier 2 guys:

Benny Williams - Benny is going to get every chance to be a contributor, because his skill set is unique. He's the only forward we have right now who projects as a potential "alpha guy" who can score in the teens and get 7 or 8 rebounds for you. I don't see anybody else among the forwards who appears to have the ability to create his own shot to match Benny's turnaround in the lane, or on the low block.

I think Taylor Swish is going to make it into the rotation because he's showing the toughness and inclination to rebound and defend that is going to win him minutes. Plus he will get streaky hot this year; probably our best bet from three.

Naheem Among The Clouds is going to be a weapon for us. Fouls will probably limit him to 15-20 minutes, but I think we'll see it. When Hima is healthy, maybe not quite as much, but holy hell, if he can catch and dunk it at 7-4 like he showed last night, not many teams are big enough to stop that. Of course, the big question will be, "Can he make a FT?" That will determine his playing time, in the end.

JJ Starling - he's too good not to play at least 20 minutes a game, and he will have to for appearances sake, even if he is not a contributor at first. He will be eventually. He can run an offense and he can get to the rim most of the time. The outside shot will come in time, but might hamper his minutes.

Tier 3 guys - situational, but could play a big role from game to game, depending on match-ups

Chris Bell - he's going to every chance to get hot from 3 like he did last night for a spell, but he also has to score inside the arc, which he also did against St. Rose, and play defense. I think he'll be inconsistent, and there are simply too many guys on this team to dedicate 30 minutes a game to a guy who isn't a consistent contributor somewhere on the scoresheet.

Quadir Copeland is going to get minutes, and a lot of them, between forward and 2G, but if he can't make a three (and he is about 0-5 so far), he has to play smart, not too emotional. He's a good player though, and we are also going to see a lot of him this season. I'm just not sold that it's going to be much more than 20 minutes, tops.

Kyle Cuffe has shown enuff to know that if JJ is off his game, Cuffe is going to see minutes. He makes a nice pass, has good court vision, plays passing lanes well, and plays solid defense. All the ingredients you would hope for from a kid who went to Kansas. In the first exhibition, he seemed a bit tentative on the drive a couple times early. If he can develop into a dependable 3 point threat, he will move into Tier 2 of game time, and I wouldn't be surprised.

Tier 4 guys - you just don't know

I think Chance Westry is going to challenge for time, at the expense of the other forwards (Benny, Bell or Cope). But you just don't know. He'll be back in January, we think, right? He's a talent, but I think this year is about getting his game legs back, and then next year, he will play a big role, as will Kyle Cuffe.

Peter Carey - showed some nice things in the exhibitions, is mobile, athletic and not at all a stiff. He's a basketball player, not just a tall guy. But he's been hurt a lot, and you just can't predict or rely on a guy with his injury record. I hope he gets through the year healthy, sees action in 20 games or so, and builds a base to contribute next year.

Mounir Hima - gosh, he was a defensive weapon at times last year (7 blocks in 18 minutes vs. St. John's). I just hope that his lingering knee pain doesn't render that stat his career highlight.

The other big kid who's a freshman, William Patterson, also looked like a basketball player, not just a tall guy who was told he should try basketball (in the words of SWC, I believe). He had some nice moments against St. Rose, too. But you can't count on a young guy at C for much this year, barring "break glass in case of emergency".
 
Mintz and JJ have to play together. Neither is only playing 20 min/game. I would say I never want both off the floor at the same time and they'll need to figure out how to play off of one another. That's what good basketball players do.
 
You don’t think Judah is going to be consistent enough? What?

Judah got the numbers but I don't think last night was one of his better games.
 

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