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We're like a Dave Kingman at bat - it may result in a mammoth home run, but probably a strikeout or a mammoth pop-up.
How about being consistently good instead of occasionally great?
That analogy would work if you said the swings and misses, and the homers, all came while the balls were being thrown directly at him, with the intent of knocking him out of the game, because that is what the kid is facing, every game.
 
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I hope you were trying to prove my point. I don't see 3-4 WRs producing there. Our pass blocking was not good. They were good running OLs that were bailed out by mobile QBs in pass protection.

Sometimes I would kinda root for McNabb and Dungey to get flushed out of the pocket because they were so good at escaping pressure and making something good happen.
 
IMO the OL has been better this year compared to pre Duke game last year. That being said IMO we are in the 75-90 range of FBS for OL.

WR think we are in the 60-75 range.

TE think we are in the 30-45 range.

RB 45-60 range. If you add back the opt out kids 30-45 range.

So IMO our O talent when healthy and opted in we should be in that 60-75 range.

Penalties are a mess and easily in the 90-120 range.

OC I think is in the 30-45 range.

I do not like our O system. It seems too easy to defend which is why we cannot sustain drives. We can get points with the big plays, but that will never offer consistency. Is using 4 big plays a game to score 30 points really worth it if you are going 3 and out all the other times? Which in turn puts a strain on your D and makes them more likely to give up 30 points?


The System averaged 40 points per game 2 years ago. Good enough for me. Obviously, it's broken now but system or talent? I have no idea but probably 100 factors
 
I think everybody wants some wizard as the OC or HC in a lab just scheming up these masterful plays and masking all these talent deficiencies. It rarely happens that way. Get the right talent and the O will be fine again. And yes that's on DINO before anyone goes there not saying it isn't. He's obviously serioulsy whiffed in some areas on the recruiting front.

Lane Kiffin and Leach looks to me as talented calling a game and scheming plays as anyone and they have not been without their down years
 
I must've seen different games than you. But I agree on the OL. All have mobile QBs. Getting smoked by DEs knows no era.

The catches in 2018 are pretty staggering. That 1992 was as good as anyone in that era, adding Gedney, into that mix.

2016 was likely our best set of WRs. We had Irv & Estime working the middle and AET & Ish on the outside. Don't think we have had a better group that that ever.

I thought the 2018 guys were all mediocre. The top four combined for 196 catches, which was the same as the top 2 from the year before. The top 4 in 2016 combined for 280 catches in comparison.

My point was more to the OL. For WRs we usually have 1 stud and a bunch of mediocre guys. We haven't been known for depth at the position.
 
The System averaged 40 points per game 2 years ago. Good enough for me. Obviously, it's broken now but system or talent? I have no idea but probably 100 factors

The system looks a lot better with a dual threat QB. By design the system isn't supposed to need a dual threat QB. But even in 2018 we struggled to sustain drives. It is more of a home run O. It is the Adam Dunne of offenses, or at best Oakland Mark McGwire.
 
2016 was likely our best set of WRs. We had Irv & Estime working the middle and AET & Ish on the outside. Don't think we have had a better group that that ever.

I thought the 2018 guys were all mediocre. The top four combined for 196 catches, which was the same as the top 2 from the year before. The top 4 in 2016 combined for 280 catches in comparison.

My point was more to the OL. For WRs we usually have 1 stud and a bunch of mediocre guys. We haven't been known for depth at the position.

I’ll throw 1997 in there off the top of my head. Spotwood and Johnson as the starters with Jim Turner as the #3 and Daryl Daniel the 4th.

You can’t compare numbers across eras because the game was played so differently, but that was a strong unit.

We had Rob Moore and Rob Carpenter as our starters in 89. We didn’t use 4 WR sets or take them out much, so you can’t really compare it to 2018 when you’re starting 4 WRs.
 
2016 was likely our best set of WRs. We had Irv & Estime working the middle and AET & Ish on the outside. Don't think we have had a better group that that ever.

I thought the 2018 guys were all mediocre. The top four combined for 196 catches, which was the same as the top 2 from the year before. The top 4 in 2016 combined for 280 catches in comparison.

My point was more to the OL. For WRs we usually have 1 stud and a bunch of mediocre guys. We haven't been known for depth at the position.


I'll take 2018 mediocre any day. We were usually up by a lot and took the air out of the ball by the 4th quarter.
 
I'll take 2018 mediocre any day. We were usually up by a lot and took the air out of the ball by the 4th quarter.


Agree 100% Again, we scored 40 points per game. Ill take mediocre for sure and we aren't playing remember when too much and talking about the P or Coach Mac Era here
 
Is using 4 big plays a game to score 30 points really worth it if you are going 3 and out all the other times? Which in turn puts a strain on your D and makes them more likely to give up 30 points?
These are great questions for the Coaches show tomorrow evening. Go for it.
 
Im crazy bizy this time of year with work and I’ll give you guys a little of what I can tonight
I wanna leave you guys with this until then
In your opinion and some factual answer the following
Out of 130 teams where do we rank
In 2019 and so far in the dreaded 2020

O Line
WR
TE
RB
Penalties
OC
do you like our offense
I think if our OL is good, everyone else looks better. I do like our TE's and believe JJ and Tucker are very good players.
 
Im crazy bizy this time of year with work and I’ll give you guys a little of what I can tonight
I wanna leave you guys with this until then
In your opinion and some factual answer the following
Out of 130 teams where do we rank
In 2019 and so far in the dreaded 2020

O Line
WR
TE
RB
Penalties
OC
do you like our offense
First of all, I would say that this is unfair to use these questions on this season. However, you have put your finger on three of our biggest problems: OL is somewhat improved this year but not to a power 5 level, penalties have killed us consistently so far and there hasn't been much improvement to date, and dropped passes are never good. That being said, being who you are, asking these questions makes me think there might be more to TD considering transfer than just rumor?
 
We were last out of 130 teams giving up sacks last year , we have given up 23 this year if we played 12 we are on pace for 55 11 more than our national worst from last year injuries injuries injuries
I can’t say much more without getting criticized. People bring up all our woes and in the next sentence forget them and rip tommy
I said it once I’ll say it again it’s all cause and effect . Did anybody watch Alabama Saturday vs Georgia ? Mac Jones doesn’t have Tommy’s skill set threw average balls did you see the catch after catch after catch they made him look like a pro . 400 plus yards passing , 1 sack , running game now I know we don’t have Alabama talent but ...
I can’t win no Matter what I say and I actually give you guys to much . I’m an open guy I speak my mind but I realize I can’t .
Tommy has unfinished business at cuse
He and I want to win here ! We are loyal , handshake hard working people . Tommy deserves much much much better and I’m sure coach is going to make that happen .
Being a fan isn’t easy hang in there .
 
We were last out of 130 teams giving up sacks last year , we have given up 23 this year if we played 12 we are on pace for 55 11 more than our national worst from last year injuries injuries injuries
I can’t say much more without getting criticized. People bring up all our woes and in the next sentence forget them and rip tommy
I said it once I’ll say it again it’s all cause and effect . Did anybody watch Alabama Saturday vs Georgia ? Mac Jones doesn’t have Tommy’s skill set threw average balls did you see the catch after catch after catch they made him look like a pro . 400 plus yards passing , 1 sack , running game now I know we don’t have Alabama talent but ...
I can’t win no Matter what I say and I actually give you guys to much . I’m an open guy I speak my mind but I realize I can’t .
Tommy has unfinished business at cuse
He and I want to win here ! We are loyal , handshake hard working people . Tommy deserves much much much better and I’m sure coach is going to make that happen .
Being a fan isn’t easy hang in there .


I may or may not have hit refresh 100x to check this thread. That is music to this fans ears. I appreciate your situation and I hope TD gets well soon.
 
I think everybody wants some wizard as the OC or HC in a lab just scheming up these masterful plays and masking all these talent deficiencies. It rarely happens that way. Get the right talent and the O will be fine again. And yes that's on DINO before anyone goes there not saying it isn't. He's obviously serioulsy whiffed in some areas on the recruiting front.

Lane Kiffin and Leach looks to me as talented calling a game and scheming plays as anyone and they have not been without their down years

Gilbert has had some head scratchers for sure (3rd and 2 on that first drive against Liberty), but there have been a good amount of plays that had nothing but open yardage if we just could have caught the ball. Or thrown it better. Or didn't miss a simple blocking assignment. Or didn't get turf monstered.

All that stuff can be fixed, and it's the OC's job to fix. But it's also the OC's job to call those plays, which were good ones.

It's going to take more time, and unfortunately the rest of this year it's going to be with a QB that isn't part of the future. I don't expect Dino to lose that fear of throwing the freshmen QBs to the wolves.
 
We were last out of 130 teams giving up sacks last year , we have given up 23 this year if we played 12 we are on pace for 55 11 more than our national worst from last year injuries injuries injuries
I can’t say much more without getting criticized. People bring up all our woes and in the next sentence forget them and rip tommy
I said it once I’ll say it again it’s all cause and effect . Did anybody watch Alabama Saturday vs Georgia ? Mac Jones doesn’t have Tommy’s skill set threw average balls did you see the catch after catch after catch they made him look like a pro . 400 plus yards passing , 1 sack , running game now I know we don’t have Alabama talent but ...
I can’t win no Matter what I say and I actually give you guys to much . I’m an open guy I speak my mind but I realize I can’t .
Tommy has unfinished business at cuse
He and I want to win here ! We are loyal , handshake hard working people . Tommy deserves much much much better and I’m sure coach is going to make that happen .
Being a fan isn’t easy hang in there .
There are a lot of things that need correcting, but I never thought Tommy was one of them. I'm really glad that you and he are staying.
 
He has 2 seasons left
I am going to say this.. Tommy has been the least of our worries this year on offense... The whole offense has been "off", timing off.. first few games we missed a bunch of throws long... had some key drops as well.. OL has been a train wreck... and spacing on some plays has been terrible... some of the screens especially. With all that said, There are a few things Tommy needs to work on:

1) He has a tendency with any throws over the middle.. to hold the ball just a touch too long.. its as if he does not trust where the WR is breaking/going or he wants extra time to make sure he doesn't get a pic.. keep in mind i am not blaming him for most of the sacks ( much of them have the pocket collapsing so fast nobody could read where to throw it). I want him working on throwing on the break not waiting for eye contact from the WR.. He has to practice this with the guys.. treat every warm up/practice/pregame doing this with the guys. The videos i have seen from practice drills.. this is not happening.
2) On plays where he gets out of the pocket he typically only looks down the sideline for long throws. I want him looking back over the middle to find whomever has a middle depth rout. Many times he looks long sideline and he cant pull the trigger.. thats ok but i want him surveying underneath alot more. There have been plays missed underneath. And please he has to throw the ball away and not take a 3-5 yard loss stepping out of bounds because nothing is there.. I know he is smart.. this is an indicator that the game is still moving a little fast for him.
3) His footwork is impeccable in the pocket but i do want him stepping up more and even moving slightly left or right to see the passing lanes better and develop his pocket presence. I have seen what appears to be either a trust issue or him not seeing short/intermediate/quicker patterns because there is not much of a passing lane there. Yes I realize that with our OL issues he cant slide "up and to the left/right" a ton right now.. I am aware he has prob been coached the "shuffle drill" his whole life.. We used to do it but with simulated (real speed) OL blocking ( not seen many do this) to get a better real time feel for it (pocket presence/feel) for our QB.. it helped considerably (way better having simulated rush real OL in front of him for foreground while maintaining posture/hand/ball position, vision down field and footwork. We could call out which OL would back into the pocket farthest to simulate pressure and see QB reaction with presence and footwork) What i don't want is him getting bad habbits.. because there are times he can step up but doesn't.. his mental clock right now is a little off because of the pressure the last 2 years. He has to find a way to reset this regardless of the play before. Very tough.. but I think he has it in him
4) I want him to talk with Gilbert/Babers to give him the ability when going fast to call a 3Yd quick pass to the slot.. There are times.. maybe 5-6 a game when the D is giving us coverage playing off the slot (or really any WR) about 10 yards.. I want TD to have the ability to see that and have the Slot (or any WR on the field) take 2 steps forward and turn around.. a quick throw that allows us to get 5 yards ( i didn't say a slant rout.. that requires a passing lane that may not be there) and notice i said I want TD to have that.. We line-up TD takes a quick look at the D before looking to the sideline.. if its there he starts the play... not wait for the sideline to tell him to do it.. I want him to have the ability to call that when the opportunity is there in realtime when going fast... this also opens up other things in the normal offense. Not to mention gives him some plays that do not allow the rush to get home..
5) He has got better with this from week 1 but I need him looking off the safety more.. it also moves the LB's and helps creates holes for short/intermediate routes to open up. 2 steps to the left or right by a LB reading his eyes will open some of our underneath TE routes and even some slot crossing/slant routes. This also helps with #1 above.. staring down guys on short/ intermediate routes gives the LB's time to make those windows much smaller

Alot of these issues might be cleaned up if we would have had a normal spring/preseason... But i have seen these same issues last year as well.. TD appears to be hard worker.. The work above is the hardest work for him to master.. He has footwork, arm talent... We need the game to slow down slightly for him.. work on these extremely tough areas for growth... HIs growth is going to make the difference for us next year from a 3-4 Win team to a 7-8 win team.. He is a good kid.. I want him to lead us back to an offense that looks competent, functional and dangerous. I think he can. Now lets get him healthy/work on this stuff for next year and kick some tail...
 
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