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Tyler Lydon - NBA Prospect

Dave85 said:
Look, I get the no excuses comments. But he's been averaging 14 ppg and 7.8 rpg. Today he had 8 pts and 6 rebounds. You don't know if his ankle was taped. Or if he was playing through discomfort. At this level, you have to be at your absolute best every game. The injury looked real to me. And to be honest with you, whole team wasn't exactly having their best game either.

It's just one game. I bet you right now if Lydon decides to enter the draft he goes first round.
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He had 0 points and 1 rebound in the first 20 minutes. Did he undergo a miracle in the locker room during the half time? If he had a 1st half like the 2nd half, we probably win. Had a decent 2nd half but still shot an air ball from 15 feet when the team was getting close. I think he has had a pretty good season but not close to what everyone thought he would have at the beginning of the year. Just being honest.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
Why would anyone want to come to stay here when all we do is criticize our players? I'd leave too.
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Right because we/this board are a major faction in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile Lydon is worshiped all over central NY, campus, and getting so much hot ass. Yeah, life sucks for him. :crazy:
 
longislandcuse said:
Anyone who has read my posts knows I'm all for players leaving early when they're ready.

No issue with Dion, MCW, Grant, Ennis or Malachi. They didn't have a ton to gain coming back.

Lydon. Is. Not. Ready.

-He does not have the strength right now to defend an NBA 4.

-He cannot create his own shot.

-He can't dribble or post up effectively.

If he leaves after this year, he will be signing a one way ticket to the D-League.

I think he has plenty of potential as a stretch 4, but until he bulks up with good weight (muscle) and develops some ball skills and/or post ability, he will never get a second contract.

He's someone who could absolutely turn it around, and we're going to need him to, but to date, this season has been very disappointing from him.

Someone please tell me that there's at least a rumbling of him possibly coming back...
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he leaves this year he's on a first class ticket to nowhere

 
I believe Lydon has an elite NBA skill (shooting) and another very good one (shot blocking). I agree with most who say he'll have trouble guarding in the NBA - I think he would get posted up by guys bigger than him and would get exposed on the perimeter by guys quicker than him. However, he is still a top 20 pick; just like he was last year if he left and just like he'll be next year if he stays 1 more year. He can definitely hone some skills but i'm not sure how much that would help his draft stock. It all comes down to does he love college enough to stay for another year - or does he want the check?
 
Guys, no one knows anything for sure. What I can tell you 100% is the coaches do not expect lydon or Howard to be back.

They do expect battle back, but who knows.
 
TCuse99 said:
Guys, no one knows anything for sure. What I can tell you 100% is the coaches do not expect lydon or Howard to be back.

They do expect battle back, but who knows.
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Just out of curiosity, why would the coaches not expect Howard to be back?

Have you looked at our 2017 recruiting class:

Verbal Commits
 
SoBeCuse said:
Right because we/this board are a major faction in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile Lydon is worshiped all over central NY, campus, and getting so much hot ass. Yeah, life sucks for him. :crazy:
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The Fab Melo thread proves my point. As does twitter.
 
I think there's a difference between leaving when you're ready and leaving when your draft stock is at its peak. Almost all of the recent guys that have left early from Syracuse would fall in that latter group, with the exception of probably Dion (though his value sky-rocketed later on in the draft process to a point that it was definitely at its peak) and maybe MCW (I think he had developed pretty much as much as he ever would at Syracuse).

Ennis and Malachi left at the peak of their stock IMO. I still think Grant had the most to gain by returning of our early entrants.

In Lydon's case, I wouldn't say he's ready, but I do think he has a lot to lose by returning for another year. I think he has a shot to be a nice role player in the NBA, but I don't think he's really capable of dominating college basketball, and if he doesn't make a major leap as a junior, he'd probably start sliding into the 2nd round territory.

Right now, he has a few NBA skills:
- shooting ability
- shot blocking ability
- at least average leaping ability for an NBA 4, if not above-average

He'll certainly want to build up some more strength, but that's a lot easier to do when you get on an NBA diet and in NBA training rooms than it is in college. Lydon is no weaker than Thon Maker, who, despite basically everyone thinking he had no chance to hang with NBA big men, is playing significant time for the Milwaukee Bucks as a rookie. And Maker has been doing it against centers, while Lydon will be dealing with smaller players at the 4.

In the NBA, Lydon will basically always be spotting up for 3, or setting a screen and then popping out to the 3 point line. He's capable of doing that today, and I think he has just enough of an inside game to take advantage if defenses close out too hard on him.

Defensively, we'll have to see. It's hard to really project him out of the zone. He certainly won't be playing center in the NBA. It'll have to be as a PF, where he'll certainly have the length and leaping ability to survive. The question is his lateral agility.

All in all, if he shoots it in the NBA the way he has for two years here, he should be able to get NBA minutes almost right away (though this will also obviously depend on the team he goes to). Luckily, a lot of the teams picking in the 18-25 range could really use a player like Lydon (OKC, Toronto, Washington, for example).
 
Might he end up returning? I think so...the fact he came back this year makes me hopeful...his brother plays at cortland so that might influence the decision as well...at least I'm hoping it does.

Players are drafted every year that aren't ready to play right away so that is really a moot point.

One thing is for sure...he is on people's radar and is clearly a highly regarded prospect. Let's enjoy the ride and see what happens.
 
Melancer46 said:
I think there's a difference between leaving when you're ready and leaving when your draft stock is at its peak. Almost all of the recent guys that have left early from Syracuse would fall in that latter group, with the exception of probably Dion (though his value sky-rocketed later on in the draft process to a point that it was definitely at its peak) and maybe MCW (I think he had developed pretty much as much as he ever would at Syracuse).

Ennis and Malachi left at the peak of their stock IMO. I still think Grant had the most to gain by returning of our early entrants.

In Lydon's case, I wouldn't say he's ready, but I do think he has a lot to lose by returning for another year. I think he has a shot to be a nice role player in the NBA, but I don't think he's really capable of dominating college basketball, and if he doesn't make a major leap as a junior, he'd probably start sliding into the 2nd round territory.

Right now, he has a few NBA skills:
- shooting ability
- shot blocking ability
- at least average leaping ability for an NBA 4, if not above-average

He'll certainly want to build up some more strength, but that's a lot easier to do when you get on an NBA diet and in NBA training rooms than it is in college. Lydon is no weaker than Thon Maker, who, despite basically everyone thinking he had no chance to hang with NBA big men, is playing significant time for the Milwaukee Bucks as a rookie. And Maker has been doing it against centers, while Lydon will be dealing with smaller players at the 4.

In the NBA, Lydon will basically always be spotting up for 3, or setting a screen and then popping out to the 3 point line. He's capable of doing that today, and I think he has just enough of an inside game to take advantage if defenses close out too hard on him.

Defensively, we'll have to see. It's hard to really project him out of the zone. He certainly won't be playing center in the NBA. It'll have to be as a PF, where he'll certainly have the length and leaping ability to survive. The question is his lateral agility.

All in all, if he shoots it in the NBA the way he has for two years here, he should be able to get NBA minutes almost right away (though this will also obviously depend on the team he goes to). Luckily, a lot of the teams picking in the 18-25 range could really use a player like Lydon (OKC, Toronto, Washington, for example).
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Couldn't agree more about Ennis - the kid made a genius move.

I think we differ on Mali - I think if he came back this year, he would have played more 2G and handled the ball a lot more. I think he would have snuck into the lotto by showing NBA teams he can handle the ball and penetrate in addition to his shooting ability. Mali is a prototypical NBA 2 who didn't have to handle the ball a whole lot last year
 
jdubs30 said:
Couldn't agree more about Ennis - the kid made a genius move.

I think we differ on Mali - I think if he came back this year, he would have played more 2G and handled the ball a lot more. I think he would have snuck into the lotto by showing NBA teams he can handle the ball and penetrate in addition to his shooting ability. Mali is a prototypical NBA 2 who didn't have to handle the ball a whole lot last year
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Definitely the possibility, but the fact that he was even considered a 1st rounder while being pretty poor defensively and incredibly inefficient offensively = seriously favorable draft stock IMO. He could have improved a lot as a sophomore and still probably dropped draft-stock wise IMO, especially in a much deeper draft class. I think he would have suffered if he had been put under more of a magnifying glass.
 
sugrad68 said:
He had 0 points and 1 rebound in the first 20 minutes. Did he undergo a miracle in the locker room during the half time? If he had a 1st half like the 2nd half, we probably win. Had a decent 2nd half but still shot an air ball from 15 feet when the team was getting close. I think he has had a pretty good season but not close to what everyone thought he would have at the beginning of the year. Just being honest.
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You need perspective. Lydon went from 10 ppg to 14 ppg:

Tyler Lydon

Compare his freshmen and sophomore numbers to other forwards in SU history. He's doing fine. What do you think everyone thought at the beginning of the season (30 ppg) ?
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Which requires a first contract. Which they have.

And yes, it is nice. They achieved the goal. They are living the dream.
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That's just a platitude. Better idea is to be as prepared and skilled as possible. You sound like a charter school with these experiments (cross threads).
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Then everybody should just stay all 4 years.

But you know that's not true.
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Of course...some guys are horses, they're ready. Dion, Carmelo, RIP Fab, I guess MCW (hard to say he's been a part of so many Ls)...I'd rather see guys enter the gunfight with as many bullets as possible.
 
Bayside44 said:
Of course...some guys are horses, they're ready. Dion, Carmelo, RIP Fab, I guess MCW (hard to say he's been a part of so many Ls)...I'd rather see guys enter the gunfight with as many bullets as possible.
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Fine. Agree to disagree.

I'd rather see guys get in the gunfight as soon as they can, because they might not get that chance later
 
Bayside44 said:
Of course...some guys are horses, they're ready. Dion, Carmelo, RIP Fab, I guess MCW (hard to say he's been a part of so many Ls)...I'd rather see guys enter the gunfight with as many bullets as possible.
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You guess MCW (NBA Rookie of the Year) was ready?
 
For some reason he seems to want to be a facilitator more than an alpha scorer. That said his mates don't do a great job finding him, and he is better but not yet great at finishing when they do find him. He needs double digit shot attempts or we don't have much chance.
 

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