Virginia Game Thread...

[Dcuse]

LMAO thatz whaf we drew up. Get the hell out of here Desko

Are you kidding me? Rehfuss had his guy beat if he just went under or he had a wide open Soloman on the crease. How is that Desko’s fault? The goal was there. He can’t shoot the the damn ball for these guys.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Are you kidding me? Rehfuss had his guy beat if he just went under or he had a wide open Soloman on the crease. How is that Desko’s fault? The goal was there. He can’t shoot the the damn ball for these guys.

Dordevic had the ball and made his move on one pass that was brutal.

 

[newmexicuse]

Yet Martin took zero draws. Varello has been a huge disappointment this year. Ben Williams was so under appreciated here.

disagree about ben, add madonna to the huge disappointment list, do not remember his last big game. forget a big game, he cant even make a key save once in awhile any more.

 

[JeremyCuse]

To add insult to injury something has to be up with Trimboli. Zero goals in 3 straight games, 5+ turnovers and hes suddenly a complete nonfactor. His slide started after a family member criticized Desko in the comments section of a DO article after the Cornell game for playing to many people.

 

[CuseIsInTheHouse]

disagree about ben, add madonna to the huge disappointment list, do not remember his last big game. forget a big game, he cant even make a key save once in awhile any more.

People forget how bad Ben Williams played in the second half of 2017. Sophomore year Ben Williams was a stud and a difference maker. Senior year, not so much.

 

[JeremyCuse]

disagree aboit ben, add madonna to the huge disappointment list, do not remember his last big game. forget a big game, he cant even make a key save once in awhile any more.

Williams was a beast before his sr year injury, hed make this a top 5 team.

 

[JeremyCuse]

People forget how bad Ben Williams played in the second half of 2017. Sophomore year Ben Williams was a stud and a difference maker. Senior year, not so much.

He was hurt, was never the same after that albany game where he dominated Ierlan

 

[cuseguy]

To add insult to injury something has to be up with Trimboli. Zero goals in 3 straight games, 5+ turnovers and hes suddenly a complete nonfactor. If yhe rumors are true this all started after a family member criticized Desko in the comments section of a DO article after the Cornell game

Trimboli has been a non factor for quite some time. A one dimensional player.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Trimboli has been a non factor for quite some time. A one dimensional player.

Thought he was playing fine the first half of the year but hes been bad the second half and the last three games hes played as bad as I can rememeber a first line SU mid playing. You wonder if something is going on

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Thought he was playing fine the first half of the year but hes been bad the second half and the last three games hes played as bad as I can rememeber a first line SU mid playing. You wonder if something is going on

Syracuse University

He was good for 2-3 points a game right up through Cornell.

Only 1 assist vs UNC
Nothing vs Navy or UVA

You did notice that the 1st line played a lot today.

 

[cuseguy]

Thought he was playing fine the first half of the year but hes been bad the second half and the last three games hes played as bad as I can rememeber a first line SU mid playing. You wonder if something is going on

I don’t think there’s anything going on. He is what he is. He’s limited in his ability to dodge and create. He forces a lot of shots because I think he could get by with it in high school. He’s best as a stationary scorer in the slot when others are feeding him.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Syracuse University

He was good for 2-3 points a game right up through Cornell.

Only 1 assist vs UNC
Nothing vs Navy or UVA

You did notice that the 1st line played a lot today.

Yup no third line I belive. Was nice to see Dordevic respond amd Carlin continue his strong play

 

[JeremyCuse]

disagree about ben, add madonna to the huge disappointment list, do not remember his last big game. forget a big game, he cant even make a key save once in awhile any more.

Your right about Madonna. Hes been left out to dry a lot this year by the defense but much like the UNC game he was bad tonight. Haven't had an elite level goalie since Galloway.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

They have "Cultural Tuesdays"

Desko has "Taco Tuesdays".

 

[JeremyCuse]

They have "Cultural Tuesdays"

Desko has "Taco Tuesdays".

What a bunch of crap

 

[OrangeXtreme]

6 on 4 and we can't score.

Failed clear at the end of the 3rd. UVa steals one with 10 seconds left.

Nobody on this team should get a good nights sleep.

 

[Whitey23]

They have "Cultural Tuesdays"

Desko has "Taco Tuesdays".

Fire Desktop

 

[wallacecuse]

Your right about Madonna. Hes been left out to dry a lot this year by the defense but much like the UNC game he was bad tonight. Haven't had an elite level goalie since Galloway.

Felt like I was watching Wardwell tonight. Goes on runs where any shot is a goal.

 

[newmexicuse]

Your right about Madonna. Hes been left out to dry a lot this year by the defense but much like the UNC game he was bad tonight. Haven't had an elite level goalie since Galloway.

their goalie had a couple of huge saves at point blank range, plus ten saves overall vs five for us. there was one goal even the announcers said should have been stopped. even if hung out to dry by the d, the goalie has to rise once or twice a game if he is any good.

as bad as we were in many aspects overall, if we are getting almost even play in the net we would have won.

 

[JeremyCuse]

their goalie had a couple of huge saves at point blank range, plus ten saves overall vs five for us. there was one goal even the announcers said should have been stopped. even if hung out to dry by the d, the goalie has to rise once or twice a game if he is any good.

as bad as we were in many aspects overall, if we are getting almost even play in the net we would have won.

Agreed, 100%

 

[HtownOrange]

I stepped away from the computer after the game so I could collect a few thoughts...without adjectives.

In the glory days, the OrangeMEN were always on attack. The fast break creates opportunities because the D is still adjusting and players are out of position. Compare that with a set offense, offensive players are to keep moving to create opportunities where defenders are out of position. The operative words here are that defenders are out of position.

Our set offense simply does not move. Without movement, defenders can stay in general spots while block passing lanes and shot lanes and staying close to our offensive players. There is no creation of opportunity. Even when we shoot, there is no "crashing the net" looking for a junk ball, like a good hoops team does, aside from Bomberry.

When Roy Simmons, Jr. coached, our team never stopped running. They looked for easy goals on the fast break and then when there wasn't an easy goal, they created a goal by moving on offense. Since Desko has been at the helm, we have played a lot more of a conventional game. This does not make sense. This is not Syracuse lacrosse.

Syracuse has a deep team, maybe not the most outstanding players but a deep team that should be running everyone into the ground. There are too many times when the transition (attack) play was there when the offense merely slowed up, pulled to the side, traded players and went into the set offense. This mentality benefits the defense in that the the defense is allowed to get set and to exchange offensive specialists for defensive specialists, like football. See HCDB's philosophy for neutralizing specialists - a.k.a. hurry up offense non-stop! (Opponents cannot switch out pass defenders for rush defenders at will creating mismatch opportunities).

Transition opportunities should always be the #1 option, if it isn't there, then the set offense. The key then is to keep the MOTION offense moving. This is a major problem for Syracuse, they simply do not execute when away from the ball. When the Syracuse offense is in motion, they are nearly unstoppable because they create opportunities with defenders out of position. In hoops the posts have to keep moving around to move the defenders around and open up passing and driving lanes, as do the wings and the point. The principle is the same in lacrosse: KEEP MOVING!

Syracuse has some good crisp passing skills as shown when they are in transition and when they are in motion on offense, creating shots around the goal and open lanes for outside shots. However, when the offense stops moving, the guy with the ball seems to be the only activity and that does not end well; even if he beats his man he has to beat other defenders because they are in position "defending" a statue, not being drawn out of position.

The Defense proves much of what I said. They allow opponents to set up and pass around and wear down our guys, creating an opportunity and scores. Again, opposing transition kills us as we are attempting to swap out players that specialize in offense for defensive specialists when it would be better to simply stay on the field. Changes should be for fresh legs, not "who's better on offense/defense" every change of possession.

Madonna in goal has been fine overall. We lost the game not him. He made many key saves and some impossible saves. He needs help. The best way to help a defense is to score on offense. See Transition comments above. By scoring fast, at will and often, opposing teams never get to settle down.

If I recall, it was the intentional stall-ball tactic that was used to slow down the Syracuse offense in the 90's and force the Orange defense to stay strong for long periods of time. It didn't work, the team still won with the fast break/transition game. However, most teams went to the set offense. Who are the top teams now? Mostly teams that can run and score.

To be sure, when a team has a shallow bench, a slow down game is a must to conserve players (see SU hoops 2017-2018 season), but does anyone think JB would not rather have a running team?

Desko can still be the great coach he was when he took the Orange wheel. He will need to return to the "old ways" if he wants to be great again. There is nobody as good as he is in the huddle and his clock and game management are generally top notch. Yet, like every sport, being the best in one or two categories usually amounts to being good. Being good to great at everything is what makes champions.

Anyway, these are the rants and raves of an Orange fan. Congrats to UVA, I am glad they are back where they belong. We need Desko to get us back there, too.

 

[CreaseRat]

I stepped away from the computer after the game so I could collect a few thoughts...without adjectives.

In the glory days, the OrangeMEN were always on attack. The fast break creates opportunities because the D is still adjusting and players are out of position. Compare that with a set offense, offensive players are to keep moving to create opportunities where defenders are out of position. The operative words here are that defenders are out of position.

Our set offense simply does not move. Without movement, defenders can stay in general spots while block passing lanes and shot lanes and staying close to our offensive players. There is no creation of opportunity. Even when we shoot, there is no "crashing the net" looking for a junk ball, like a good hoops team does, aside from Bomberry.

When Roy Simmons, Jr. coached, our team never stopped running. They looked for easy goals on the fast break and then when there wasn't an easy goal, they created a goal by moving on offense. Since Desko has been at the helm, we have played a lot more of a conventional game. This does not make sense. This is not Syracuse lacrosse.

Syracuse has a deep team, maybe not the most outstanding players but a deep team that should be running everyone into the ground. There are too many times when the transition (attack) play was there when the offense merely slowed up, pulled to the side, traded players and went into the set offense. This mentality benefits the defense in that the the defense is allowed to get set and to exchange offensive specialists for defensive specialists, like football. See HCDB's philosophy for neutralizing specialists - a.k.a. hurry up offense non-stop! (Opponents cannot switch out pass defenders for rush defenders at will creating mismatch opportunities).

Transition opportunities should always be the #1 option, if it isn't there, then the set offense. The key then is to keep the MOTION offense moving. This is a major problem for Syracuse, they simply do not execute when away from the ball. When the Syracuse offense is in motion, they are nearly unstoppable because they create opportunities with defenders out of position. In hoops the posts have to keep moving around to move the defenders around and open up passing and driving lanes, as do the wings and the point. The principle is the same in lacrosse: KEEP MOVING!

Syracuse has some good crisp passing skills as shown when they are in transition and when they are in motion on offense, creating shots around the goal and open lanes for outside shots. However, when the offense stops moving, the guy with the ball seems to be the only activity and that does not end well; even if he beats his man he has to beat other defenders because they are in position "defending" a statue, not being drawn out of position.

The Defense proves much of what I said. They allow opponents to set up and pass around and wear down our guys, creating an opportunity and scores. Again, opposing transition kills us as we are attempting to swap out players that specialize in offense for defensive specialists when it would be better to simply stay on the field. Changes should be for fresh legs, not "who's better on offense/defense" every change of possession.

Madonna in goal has been fine overall. We lost the game not him. He made many key saves and some impossible saves. He needs help. The best way to help a defense is to score on offense. See Transition comments above. By scoring fast, at will and often, opposing teams never get to settle down.

If I recall, it was the intentional stall-ball tactic that was used to slow down the Syracuse offense in the 90's and force the Orange defense to stay strong for long periods of time. It didn't work, the team still won with the fast break/transition game. However, most teams went to the set offense. Who are the top teams now? Mostly teams that can run and score.

To be sure, when a team has a shallow bench, a slow down game is a must to conserve players (see SU hoops 2017-2018 season), but does anyone think JB would not rather have a running team?

Desko can still be the great coach he was when he took the Orange wheel. He will need to return to the "old ways" if he wants to be great again. There is nobody as good as he is in the huddle and his clock and game management are generally top notch. Yet, like every sport, being the best in one or two categories usually amounts to being good. Being good to great at everything is what makes champions.

Anyway, these are the rants and raves of an Orange fan. Congrats to UVA, I am glad they are back where they belong. We need Desko to get us back there, too.

Agree 100% about your thoughts regarding the offense. Too many times players hold the ball far too long and look for the iosloation dodge. It reminds me of watching an NBA game (and it’s boring). For some reason teams can dodge and throw a skip pass but you rarely see it that from this offense. There is hardly any off ball or backside movement to create a shooting opportunity off a skip or the next pass.

They did a nice job for a couple games of looking to invert the middies and play the two man game behind but that is now missing. It wasn’t the problem solver this O needs but it sure as heck helped and created some sort of mismatch.

Trimboli and Dordevic are struggling and for some reason Donohue hasn’t noticed it or changed his philosophies to help them get out of this rut. Do your job and coach players, put them in a position where their strengths are being utilized. Attack the defense where they are weakest.

What took so long to make the switch at fogo?

 

[JeremyCuse]

Felt like I was watching Wardwell tonight. Goes on runs where any shot is a goal.

The wardwell comparison is spot on, just like him Madonna has had some great games and then as you noted cant stop anything. He was brutal last night

 

[newmexicuse]

While I think the # 1 reason we lost was bad goaltending by us and very good goaltending by them, the # 2 reason was losing far to many face-offs, I will give kudos to then for the # 3 reason I think that we lost.

And that # 3 reason was that they neutralized our speed players, Solomon and Curry. I did not see either one of them get an edge at any time when they attacked and both were held goalless.

If I had to go with a # 4 reason, I would say flat out bad luck in that we rang the posts too many times.

 

[orange79]

While I think the # 1 reason we lost was bad goaltending by us and very good goaltending by them, the # 2 reason was losing far to many face-offs, I will give kudos to then for the # 3 reason I think that we lost.

And that # 3 reason was that they neutralized our speed players, Solomon and Curry. I did not see either one of them get an edge at any time when they attacked and both were held goalless.

If I had to go with a # 4 reason, I would say flat out bad luck in that we rang the posts too many times.

IMO

#1 FO's 7-18
#1A Not capitalizing on 17 UVa turnovers
#2 23-29 GB's through 3 qtrs
#3 At least 5 pipes/crossbars hit


#4 bad goaltending