We need to go 12-6 in ACC Play

[RedtheGOB]

Win probabilities per Barttorvik for the next 4 games

A Tech 57%
A Pitt 43%
H Florida St 77%
A BC 68%

Those %'s seem a little low. The above would imply we have about a 13% chance of going 4-0 the next 4 games... I think its a little bit higher than that, but its certainly less than 40%.

When you are average (like Syracuse) running 3 straight conference road games is not easy no matter the opponent.

I saw VT went up like 15 Net spots for an OT win over Virginia at home. Net prediction if we win the next 4 ha? I would think high 60;s to low 70's at best but I could see it jumping higher even. 3 road wins even if against the bottom of the league may still play nice in the net.

 

[elimunelson]

I'm not excusing his turnovers. It's that Starling is the same guy he was when he got here 3 seasons ago. He's never had an outside shot, never played great D, and always played loose and sloppy.

Yet Red still gives him 31+ minutes a game as if he's one of our great 3-level scoring, 2-way players of old.

After watching yesterday's game it became abundantly clear to me that this is all on Red at this point. All the excuses are out the window, IMHO. We hit our FTs, got a productive Donnie back, and we still found a way to lose. This coaching staff is awful.

Teams find ways to win or lose. I always thought boeheim was a closer even in those “they can’t win the big one” era.

Red is a cooler. Close games means we have talent. But we aren’t scheming up ways to win end game scenarios.

 

[Scooch]

Teams find ways to win or lose. I always thought boeheim was a closer even in those “they can’t win the big one” era.

Red is a cooler. Close games means we have talent. But we aren’t scheming up ways to win end game scenarios.

Agreed. “We’ll be in every game” simply means we have the talent to win, but the coaching to lose.

But we’ll probably see the blame shift from JJ to other players to facilities and NIL over the next 6 weeks.

 

[jncuse]

I saw VT went up like 15 Net spots for an OT win over Virginia at home. Net prediction if we win the next 4 ha? I would think high 60;s to low 70's at best but I could see it jumping higher even. 3 road wins even if against the bottom of the league may still play nice in the net.

Using the NCAA NET page (which allows you to see NET from today and any day before), I was able to see the following as an example of a game from yesterday.

#79 GW won at #112 Richmond by 14 on the road
After : GW up 7 spots to #72, Richmond to #125

I saw a similar type game where Wichita St won by 5 against 120ish UAB, and IIRC they moved up from 83 to 79.

So there is upward movement from winning road games even against bad teams.

 

[RF2044]

We're going to be in just about every game. We've been in every game minus one half of ISU. This isn't last season. If the second half of Donnie is any indication we have an absolute horse out there.

I hope Red was lying through his teeth last night with his presser. 34 minutes of JJ isn't a serious option. Staff goes out and gets a good roster but...JJ kills enough possessions to be the difference in W/L. I hate picking on a guy but it's beyond obvious.

Staff goes out and gets a good roster, but it isn't sufficient to overcome the incredibly low ceiling of the poor coaching.

It's past time to quit focusing on symptoms of the actual problem.

 

[Bayside44]

Staff goes out and gets a good roster, but it isn't sufficient to overcome the incredibly low ceiling of the poor coaching.

The personell isn't the biggest part of the problem.

There's more than enough there on the team to win 20 something games and not sweat out Selection Sunday without some Pete Carril level of scheming. if the staff cannot tighten the screws on all the loose stuff it's end of the day on them and the program moves on.

 

[RF2044]

There's more than enough there on the team to win 20 something games and not sweat out Selection Sunday without some Pete Carril level of scheming. if the staff cannot tighten the screws on all the loose stuff it's end of the day on them and the program moves on.

Correct. But the current staff can't come close to actualizing the potential of the players.

The sum equals less than the sum total of the individual parts. That's due to poor coaching.

There is no "tightenining of the screws" that will change the multi-year trend of this staff being overmatched. It's been that way for the past three years -- some are only willing to acknowledge what has been plainly evident now.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Please . Everyone stop. For your own sake. I’m not saying don’t root for the team. I’m not saying stop bleeding Orange. I’m just saying stop worrying about these fanatical series of events that need to take place for us to make the tournament and just try and enjoy the games individually for their own sake. This big picture stuff is going to ruin your enjoyment. It’s like not enjoying your kids sports’ because they aren’t making the pros. Get realistic. 12-6 in the ACC? Let’s just go 1-0 next game

 

[Scooch]

Please . Everyone stop. For your own sake. I’m not saying don’t root for the team. I’m not saying stop bleeding Orange. I’m just saying stop worrying about these fanatical series of events that need to take place for us to make the tournament and just try and enjoy the games individually for their own sake. This big picture stuff is going to ruin your enjoyment. It’s like not enjoying your kids sports’ because they aren’t making the pros. Get realistic. 12-6 in the ACC? Let’s just go 1-0 next game

Maybe I have a different perspective because I didn't grow up in CNY as an SU fan, and maybe it's because given the current landscape of CBB there's a chance literally no one on this roster is back next season, but my enjoyment comes from following this program in its annual quest to make the NCAA tourney.

When that isn't plausible then I don't derive much enjoyment from watching the games. Granted, some of that is because SU hoops has been a difficult watch stylistically for most of the past decade. And I'm not a hoops fanatic, like a lot of folks here, who enjoys the game for the game's sake.

Anyway, if-and-when this team is basically eliminated from tourney contention then there's a good chance I'll check out and make little effort to watch games. That was last year. Not that I never watched again, but it fell to the bottom of my priorities.

 

[domestu]

Using the NCAA NET page (which allows you to see NET from today and any day before), I was able to see the following as an example of a game from yesterday.

#79 GW won at #112 Richmond by 14 on the road
After : GW up 7 spots to #72, Richmond to #125

I saw a similar type game where Wichita St won by 5 against 120ish UAB, and IIRC they moved up from 83 to 79.

So there is upward movement from winning road games even against bad teams.

Teams can make climbs in the NET by winning games, but it is going to be difficult to get an at-large bid to the Big Dance when you're at 89 in the NET in January. SU is 1-5 in Quad 1, 2 and 3 contests and 8-0 in Quad 4 games. We are one of the few schools who has not played a road game yet. All of our games have been at neutral sites or at home.

We have failed to take advantage from our schedule thus far and are sitting behind so many teams in the race for an at-large bid that it is going to take a much better level of play to make a serious run at the NCAAs. What was the worst NET ranking on January 2 last season that a school had and made it into the tourney? Go Cuse!

 

[phsyra]

Teams can make climbs in the NET by winning games

This is the key sentence. Our team does not win games so we cannot realisticly move up in the NET rankings...Every game is at best a toss-up because we can't coach or make shots...the season was over whn we lost to Hofstra and beat Monmouth by 5...what else do you need to know...We are going to get hammered in the ACC!