Who’s it gonna be guys and gals?

[syrBossHogg]

Like others I think TD will start. If he struggles then I could see GS starting the Albany game and being the guy from there. I think GS will also get a little significant playing time if TD holds on to the starting job.

 

[storange]

I don’t see how one can be expected to “read defenses” when two DLs are on you within a second of the snap. If I was “reading that”
It would say, “Oh S#!+!”

That was often the case, but go ahead and watc last couple of years game film. Many sacks were at 4 plus seconds. Add to that he is weak ( being nice here ) at throwing outside the pocket.

 

[007]

That was often the case, but go ahead and watc last couple of years game film. Many sacks were at 4 plus seconds. Add to that he is weak ( being nice here ) at throwing outside the pocket.

If post #23 is accurate, and I'm reading it right, only 2 teams in the P5 allowed pressure faster than SU. Incredibly, the pressure was there within a little over 2 feet of dropping back.

 

[Cusefan69]

If post #23 is accurate, and I'm reading it right, only 2 teams in the P5 allowed pressure faster than SU. Incredibly, the pressure was there within a little over 2 feet of dropping back.

That's eye opening isn't it? Pressure was on TD after he has gone back barely 2 feet. That is not yards folk...that's 2 effin feet. So basically someone was in our grill almost instantly. While that is not the whole story, it's hard to ignore and throw the majority of blame on TD if true. Need my Stephen A meme here. My gawd! 2 feet. That's brutal.

 

[OrangeDW]

That's eye opening isn't it? Pressure was on TD after he has gone back barely 2 feet. That is not yards folk...that's 2 effin feet. So basically someone was in our grill almost instantly. While that is not the whole story, it's hard to ignore and throw the majority of blame on TD if true. Need my Stephen A meme here. My gawd! 2 feet. That's brutal.

The OL stunk, and TD really struggled to make anything happen outside of the pocket.

It’s a brutal combo.

If the OL gets it done, TD will be fine. If they don’t, we’ll need that sandlot football stuff from somebody.

 

[baggerbob]

I don't have a dog in this debate yet, but there are some reads that happen pre-snap and then again immediately at the snap (finding the hot receiver if the D is blitzing for example).

This is correct and unlike Eric, Tommy hasn't shown the ability to read the defense pre snap.

 

[kcsu]

Personally Tommy has to be exceptional to maintain a starting role.
Let's say Tommy is an A passer with time but C under pressure. Schrader is a B with time and C under pressure but Shrader is an A runner and Tommy a C. I'm going with the combo kid. It's better at SU with our line and Wr limitations to have a qb that is an excellent runner.

A: He can make something happen with his feet either on designed runs or scrambles.
B: He buys time for an average WR group to get open. Each extra second is a huge advantage for the WRs. Given time most decent WRs will get open.
Last point because Schrader can run opossing Ds can't just T OFF. They have to account for him.

TD will start buts odds are strong that Shrader is the starter 3 maybe 4 games in.

 

[baggerbob]

Personally Tommy has to be exceptional to maintain a starting role.
Let's say Tommy is an A passer with time but C under pressure. Schrader is a B with time and C under pressure but Shrader is an A runner and Tommy a C. I'm going with the combo kid. It's better at SU with our line and Wr limitations to have a qb that is an excellent runner.

A: He can make something happen with his feet either on designed runs or scrambles.
B: He buys time for an average WR group to get open. Each extra second is a huge advantage for the WRs. Given time most decent WRs will get open.
Last point because Schrader can run opossing Ds can't just T OFF. They have to account for him.

TD will start buts odds are strong that Shrader is the starter 3 maybe 4 games in.

And Tommy will never make a play like Eric made in the bowl. The one he ran around until Neal came back towards the line, Eric shoveled ball to him for 52 yard gain.

 

[upperdeck]

if we are .500 or better after 3-4 games and TD is the starter unless Shrader has saved the games I dont think much changes.. if have can only run because the QB is saving us than the oline has not improved enough to be very good anyway.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

I think we’ll see both in the first game with Tommy starting. Luckily Ohio doesn’t have much of a pass rush so hopefully that will give Tommy time and be a game for our O line to gel. I’m hopeful that SU will establish the run and keep the defense honest with the passing game. If (and it’s a big if) that can happen going forward, it can take some pressure off whomever the QB is. I’ll settle for a game manager behind center as long as it produces wins.

 

[money3189]

Some of you keep bringing up poor line play and percentage of pressures. We all get that. The staff does too but they still brought Shrader in. They brought him in because there are other things that they evaluate at the QB position that needs improvement. The biggest is play making ability. Doesnt matter if you are a pro or dual threat QB. You need to have the ability to extend plays. Thats a major issue with TD. Thats where Shrader comes in. I can see TD starting while they give Shrader specific packages. If TD continues to struggle with that. Shrader's role will increase more and more.

 

[Cusefan69]

Some of you keep bringing up poor line play and percentage of pressures. We all get that. The staff does too but they still brought Shrader in. They brought him in because there are other things that they evaluate at the QB position that needs improvement. The biggest is play making ability. Doesnt matter if you are a pro or dual threat QB. You need to have the ability to extend plays. Thats a major issue with TD. Thats where Shrader comes in. I can see TD starting while they give Shrader specific packages. If TD continues to struggle with that. Shrader's role will increase more and more.

100% agree Money. I just think it's mind blowing that number Hale provided.

 

[RandomGuy]

That's eye opening isn't it? Pressure was on TD after he has gone back barely 2 feet. That is not yards folk...that's 2 effin feet. So basically someone was in our grill almost instantly. While that is not the whole story, it's hard to ignore and throw the majority of blame on TD if true. Need my Stephen A meme here. My gawd! 2 feet. That's brutal.

I believe it's "How many yards did the team get when the QB was under pressure." 2 feet. 'Bama with 8 yards. Blitz and pay. For us, it meant send them.

But yes, the speed they got to Tommy was alarming.

 

[Cusefan69]

I believe it's "How many yards did the team get when the QB was under pressure." 2 feet.

But yes, the speed they got to Tommy was alarming.

Oh did I misread that measure? Hmmm. Ok thanks. That is also bad. Either way we need to move the ball and score with whomever is on the field this year.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Without going into the areas that most of us know that Tommy needs to improve on, I do think it is worth not throwing the OL "COMPLETELY" under the bus in this case.

Tommy only played 4 games but was sacked 20 times. In the remaining 7 games, Rex and Morgan were sacked 18 times. 18 isn't great but it is far fewer than Tommy on a per-game basis. Clearly more was going on than just the OL sucking, which of course they did. The guy behind center has to share some of the responsibility for that.

 

[RandomGuy]

Oh did I misread that measure? Hmmm. Ok thanks. That is also bad. Either way we need to move the ball and score with whomever is on the field this year.

Bad? Get pressure every snap, and we'd never get a passing first down. That's almost epic. 7 of those games were without Tommy.

 

[Orangello]

TD starts

 

[money3189]

100% agree Money. I just think it's mind blowing that number Hale provided.

Agree. It is disturbing.

 

[Crusty]

I think roo many are drinking the 2021 OLine Kool-Aid. Realistically, one key injury can bring the whole house of cards crashing down to mediocrity or worse. Not many foreseeable good scenarios.

TD deserves a good shot but at the first sign of reversion to bad habits the QB carousel will spin.

Dino knows the score - everyone likes him and are grateful for our 10-3 season - but patience is running out, Hard for him to ignore the pressure. GS will be on a short leash as well. Remember, this is a HC that started a real freshman QB.

I find it improbable that TD starts and rides off into the sunset - hope so but,,,

 

[Briancuse]

Mahomes


O you mean realistic options. Td starts but I really like Schrader id give him some reps early on.

 

[All4SU]

That was often the case, but go ahead and watc last couple of years game film. Many sacks were at 4 plus seconds. Add to that he is weak ( being nice here ) at throwing outside the pocket.

When teams were getting sacks - yes even four second sacks- by only rushing three, the defenses were usually able to jam up receivers and limit TDs options significantly. Tough to find receivers if a) you don’t have time and/or, even when you get a few seconds, no one is there to throw to.

 

[CapitalO]

Probably ( TD ) starts but GS. & JM. are 2 and 3 again the O'line needs to be much better than last year if coach Schmidt can have as much impact with this unit as Tony White had with his 3 3 5 defense we could have a winning season.

 

[storange]

When teams were getting sacks - yes even four second sacks- by only rushing three, the defenses were usually able to jam up receivers and limit TDs options significantly. Tough to find receivers if a) you don’t have time and/or, even when you get a few seconds, no one is there to throw to.

I don’t know what Tommy was seeing in terms of open (or lack there of ) recievers. I watched Tommy sack himself a couple times by stepping into his own linemen. Hope I’m absolutely wrong and TD comes out and shuts my trap. Hey last year at this time I was saying there would be no college football season so what do I know.

 

[TheCusian]

If he gets time and a running game, TD will *kill it* … if not, we’ll see Shredder

 

[storange]

If he gets time and a running game, TD will *kill it* … if not, we’ll see Shredder

and the “Ninja Turtles “ ?