Who’s it gonna be guys and gals?

[All4SU]

I don’t know what Tommy was seeing in terms of open (or lack there of ) recievers. I watched Tommy sack himself a couple times by stepping into his own linemen. Hope I’m absolutely wrong and TD comes out and shuts my trap. Hey last year at this time I was saying there would be no college football season so what do I know.

I think you’re right. I think TD was a mess on the field after a while. First it was “hang in the pocket” and he got crushed repeatedly. Then it was “roll out to buy time” and he rolled out (not his strong suit) and stumbled or go gobbled up, or forced throws to narrow windows. Then he just threw it away, which cut down on sacks, but also cut down on receptions and yards.
He needs a line. He needs time. He needs to sit back and pick teams apart. I don’t know if this team is capable of delivering that. I hope so.

 

[FloridaFan]

Captain Morgan is the true leader of this orange ship

 

[TheCusian]

and the “Ninja Turtles “ ?

One can only hope

 

[baggerbob]

I think you’re right. I think TD was a mess on the field after a while. First it was “hang in the pocket” and he got crushed repeatedly. Then it was “roll out to buy time” and he rolled out (not his strong suit) and stumbled or go gobbled up, or forced throws to narrow windows. Then he just threw it away, which cut down on sacks, but also cut down on receptions and yards.
He needs a line. He needs time. He needs to sit back and pick teams apart. I don’t know if this team is capable of delivering that. I hope so.

Look if any QB should have had happy feet, it should have been Eric after that CMU jerk hit him after he released the ball his freshman year. But he was the QB, and making plays was his job. If you are the leader you do what it takes to get the job done. No more excuses.

 

[Moontan]

TD to start, Schrader with at least one (partial?) series each quarter. Based on results, Schrader’s playing time may increase. Would expect Schrader to start the 2nd half of the Albany game with at least one other QB getting some play in the 4tg quarter.

 

[bevosu]

I think you’re right. I think TD was a mess on the field after a while. First it was “hang in the pocket” and he got crushed repeatedly. Then it was “roll out to buy time” and he rolled out (not his strong suit) and stumbled or go gobbled up, or forced throws to narrow windows. Then he just threw it away, which cut down on sacks, but also cut down on receptions and yards.
He needs a line. He needs time. He needs to sit back and pick teams apart. I don’t know if this team is capable of delivering that. I hope so.

I think Tommy can be a good QB if he has a good offensive line. He has a good arm.

He picked the wrong team to play for when he decided to come to Syracuse. Unfortunate for him. Our offensive line has failed him miserably.

Maybe this year will be different?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think TD starts but Shrader plays too from game 1. I also think shrader is on field same time as Devito as well at times. The starting QB will play itself out from there.

 

[CuseMan4]

There’s only 2 ways this season plays out.
1) the competition pushes TD and he kills it this year
2) Shrader is our QB by mid season

 

[DMDMD]

Mahomes


O you mean realistic options. Td starts but I really like Schrader id give him some reps early on.

We've seen Mahomes with no O-line. Even he couldn't do it.

Agree with the consensus, TD starts, Jorts gets packages to see what he can do. TD's leash is very, very short because Dino's seat will get very, very warm if the offense craters again.

 

[Nicknack]

I find it very difficult to imagine Devito not getting the start but on a short leash. I just don't see Dino sitting him to begin the season. That said, like everyone here, I wish Tommy the best and hope he comes on strong and never looks back. However, I have some serious concerns and doubts that will happen.

It doesn't help that yesterday I watched a re-run of the winless Duke squad spank us in the dome last year. It reminded me what frustrated me with Tommy last year... indecision. There was one play where he had plenty of time to throw the ball out of bounds while being chased but instead, decided to take a 3-4 yard loss by running out of bounds. Then, a few plays later, instead of taking off and getting a few yards by running up the middle, he hesitated and got sacked. Yes, the o-line was bad, but so was Tommy's decision making.

 

[TheHaze315]

I'd be shocked if tommy isnt the starter week 1

 

[AngryOtto]

DB is not just going to pick TD because he has been there. It will be a decision on who he thinks gives him the best chance to win.
I think it’s shrader but everyone has their own opinion.
I will say this. Every qb will be on a short leash. DB knows he has to win. He will keep changing qbs if necessary until he finds the one that can be successful with the players on the team.
If he has to play musical qbs probably in for a long season but you never know. Sometimes you give a guy and chance and it just clicks.

 

[AngryOtto]

The thing I keep wondering is which wr are working with which qbs this summer.
Summer is when you see qb and wr working together to get timing down.
With the qb position up in the air does Taj and Queeley work exclusively with TD or Sharder. Does Sharder spend time with the younger and hungrier wr.
That may really make a difference who is on the same page and starts the season.

 

[cuseincincy]

I guess its finally time to start this question in earnest. I personally could care less, I just want the QB that can make the most plays and fewest mistakes. Devito does NOT get returning starter status to me mostly because he hasn't really earned it. It hasn't exactly taken much to be the best SU QB since Dungey left. We will see how TD does against some competition because Shrader really intrigues me. Yes, TD will know the offense better. But will he be able to best execute the plays we need to call out of the offense? If we are going to rely on some QB keepers or even rollouts my hopes are on Shrader. While TD does have some speed it seems like he turns 7 yard gains into 3 yard gains. Lamson and Morgan are wildcards that would have to really do something standout to move into the top 2. Markewicz? The fact that he couldn't get on the field last year with a free RS year and the play we watched on the field tells me something about either him or Dino. I am still completely dumbfounded how Dino couldn't get him on the field last year when there was literally nothing to lose playing him or to be gained by not playing him.

 

[AngryOtto]

I guess its finally time to start this question in earnest. I personally could care less, I just want the QB that can make the most plays and fewest mistakes. Devito does NOT get returning starter status to me mostly because he hasn't really earned it. It hasn't exactly taken much to be the best SU QB since Dungey left. We will see how TD does against some competition because Shrader really intrigues me. Yes, TD will know the offense better. But will he be able to best execute the plays we need to call out of the offense? If we are going to rely on some QB keepers or even rollouts my hopes are on Shrader. While TD does have some speed it seems like he turns 7 yard gains into 3 yard gains. Lamson and Morgan are wildcards that would have to really do something standout to move into the top 2. Markewicz? The fact that he couldn't get on the field last year with a free RS year and the play we watched on the field tells me something about either him or Dino. I am still completely dumbfounded how Dino couldn't get him on the field last year when there was literally nothing to lose playing him or to be gained by not playing him.

I agree. I did not understand why DB did not let markowitz play more once Morgan was hurt. Season was a disaster. Gained nothing continuing to play Rex long term.
I do not like when DB states that the younger players or qbs do not know the system so they cannot play. Need to get guys game reps unless the upper class man are clearly better in a regular season let alone a covid season.

 

[TheCusian]

DeVito if the line improves enough. Shrader if it doesn’t.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

DeVito if the line improves enough. Shrader if it doesn’t.

This is probably right.

 

[Orijinal]

If you have 2 QBs, you have no QB's. I don't want Dino sitting there scratching his head wondering if he should throw Shrader in.

Once Shrader goes in, there really should be no looking back at that point. Devito gets every opportunity, but if a change is made, the change will remain. It would be foolish to keep flip flopping

 

[TheCusian]

If you have 2 QBs, you have no QB's. I don't want Dino sitting there scratching his head wondering if he should throw Shrader in.

Once Shrader goes in, there really should be no looking back at that point. Devito gets every opportunity, but if a change is made, the change will remain. It would be foolish to keep flip flopping

I have faith in Dino in this regard. Similar situation to 2018 and he pulled the right strings

 

[kcsu]

I think it's going to be obvious.

 

[bothsocksup]

I think it's going to be obvious.

What do you mean

 

[All4SU]

If you have 2 QBs, you have no QB's. I don't want Dino sitting there scratching his head wondering if he should throw Shrader in.

Once Shrader goes in, there really should be no looking back at that point. Devito gets every opportunity, but if a change is made, the change will remain. It would be foolish to keep flip flopping

I think you can play two QBs without it being “flip-flopping.” Two different players with different skill sets. A starter who is going to get most of the playing time, and a reserve who has some plays each game and who gets valuable experience for next year, or if the starter goes down.

 

[cuseincincy]

If you have 2 QBs, you have no QB's. I don't want Dino sitting there scratching his head wondering if he should throw Shrader in.

Once Shrader goes in, there really should be no looking back at that point. Devito gets every opportunity, but if a change is made, the change will remain. It would be foolish to keep flip flopping

In the NFL yes. I think in college you can play 2 QB's if you handle it correctly. There's the rub, it's not easy. If you can keep 75% of the offense the same so it's not obvious what you will call it can be done if skill is equal with slightly different skill sets. That could be what we have here. NOT SAYING IT WILL HAPPEN. (just wanted to be clear about that;-). But TD and GS aren't so different. I think they both have things they do better than the other but neither really does anything the other can't do. IF HCDB ends up playing both it won't necessarily be because neither could win the job. Maybe...neither will lose the job? Wouldn't that be cool? My guess is Dino will find what he is looking for as a differentiator and go with that guy. I also agree with others that the OL play will go a long way to helping Dino's decision. I'd like to say it shouldn't because in that scenario GS could be the better QB but if the OL playing well means we see TD, we may never see GS with a good line. That last sentence sounds really stupid but after the past couple years someone will have to prove to me it's not possible.

 

[kcsu]

In the NFL yes. I think in college you can play 2 QB's if you handle it correctly. There's the rub, it's not easy. If you can keep 75% of the offense the same so it's not obvious what you will call it can be done if skill is equal with slightly different skill sets. That could be what we have here. NOT SAYING IT WILL HAPPEN. (just wanted to be clear about that;-). But TD and GS aren't so different. I think they both have things they do better than the other but neither really does anything the other can't do. IF HCDB ends up playing both it won't necessarily be because neither could win the job. Maybe...neither will lose the job? Wouldn't that be cool? My guess is Dino will find what he is looking for as a differentiator and go with that guy. I also agree with others that the OL play will go a long way to helping Dino's decision. I'd like to say it shouldn't because in that scenario GS could be the better QB but if the OL playing well means we see TD, we may never see GS with a good line. That last sentence sounds really stupid but after the past couple years someone will have to prove to me it's not possible.

If Dino doesnt have a clear cut winner coming out of camp give each kid equal time and let the results decide.

 

[CbusCuse]

I see the QB situation going something like this. I assume TD has some backers on the team being here for so long and Dino knows he needs to give him a shot. And TD will look pretty good in Fall camp as there is not much to deal with in the way of dealing with pass rushers. I see him starting but Shrader getting some series. I hope series are 50/50 to start but would guess TD gets more of the bulk. I'd like to see two series for Devito and then 2 series for the GS. Really hoping Schrader gets more than one series a half and I kind of have a feeling he may. Dino knows he needs to win this year. He will do whatever he can to win now. I think we will have some improved line play up the middle. If a kid like Anthony Red could break out at Tackle that would be huge allowing Servais to play at Center. Going from a horrid OL in 2020 to OK this year would be a huge improvement,. And TD will play better because of it but I really think we will be a fair amount more successful with Schrader regardless. Tommy might be a bit better as a pure passer but we all know there is more to being a QB than just that. Our line won't be great and in those situations I think TD isn't going to be nearly as productive as Shrader. Shrader had some good experience as a true freshman in the SEC. He can throw it pretty well. He is tall, athletic, a dynamic runner, fearless and a capable passer. Really looking forward to his ability to move in the pocket buying more time and taking off on scrambles making positive plays out of what are likely throw aways and sacks from Devito. Shrader is such a competitor and will do whatever he can to win. I loved Dungey and I really think GS's play is going to be very similar to him. Note, that doesn't automatically mean I think we will 10 games like in 2018. Dungey's stats were pretty similar in all of his Sophomore, Junior and Senior years. We just had a better team around him his Senior year and a capable back-up QB coaches didn't game plan for.

People are saying if we have an improved run game Devito will play better which is true but i'm not sure the run game will get a whole lot better with TD in there. He is just too easy to game plan for when teams just rush us up the middle and we have no answer. When the D comes up the middle, If its a run they stuff it. If its a pass Devito can't do much to make that situation work. But when GS plays you will see the defense has a much harder time. GS will escape the pocket and burn you. They may need to keep a spy back there on him a lot of the time. They can't just send everyone up the middle with him which should help our run game dramatically just spreading the defense out more. And with GS we won't need to keep our RB's and TE's in chipping all the time. It should give us more receiving options in the passing game. Hopefully that means some options to open up the middle of the field so our passing game isn't so one dimensional. Hoping another WR (possibly Alford or Ja'Vontae) is ready to step up and play some snaps on the outside along with Queely. Those guys should be more effective blockers out there and we can get Taj some more snaps in the slot. That would also help spread the defense out and improve the run game up the middle as they will need to focus some coverage on the short bubble passing game on the outsides with more effective blocking at the boundry.

With GS playing I will shed a tear when we actually do an RPO run play where he fakes the hand-off... AND KEEPS IT for a big gain around the outside. So sick of LB's not even trying to stay at home and protect the edge because we NEVER ran the QB in those situations. Those Dungey'esq run's are huge for helping spread out the run game.

Playing GS will lead to more turnovers however but that is something we will have to live with He doesn't protect the ball quite enough and will force some throw into coverage a little bit and he will get a few more fumbles. But the positives of feeling the pocket, moving the chains with his legs and spreading out the defense are far going to out way those negatives. We should have a chance to make something positive on every play.

Really looking forward to the season. I really only expect 5 or 6 wins but that will be great in comparison to last year. I think we could be competitive in most every game this year.