Who’s it gonna be guys and gals?

[SUskibum]

It seemed like in 2019 TD was only looking for Trishton too much. I am sure the two practiced a lot together since neither were really playing in 2018. Our WRs went from:

Riley 64 to 36
Nykeim 41 to 19
Taj 40 to 37
Neal 13 to 29 (mainly replaced Strickland's 15)
Sharod 7 to 0
Hackett 4 to 23 (mainly replaced Ravian's 16)
Tirshton 3 to 66 (mainly replaced Custis' 51 and Butler's 14)
Jarveon 1 to 9
Benson 0 to 8
Adams 0 to 15

So we threw to the slots a lot less (50+) but threw to the RBs/TEs more (30+).

Really good stuff thank you

 

[syrBossHogg]

 

[money3189]

Not the only one. I saw this awhile back. It makes me wonder if they talked to someone within the program.

2024 Syracuse Orange Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

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www.ourlads.com

 

[djorange1989]

Not the only one. I saw this awhile back. It makes me wonder if they talked to someone within the program.

2024 Syracuse Orange Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

The most respected source for NFL Draft info among NFL Fans, Media, and Scouts, plus accurate, up to date NFL Depth Charts, Practice Squads and Rosters.

www.ourlads.com

Man we have a young roster.

 

[721Comstock]

Man we have a young roster.

Yes, and no.

Last year was a freebie for everybody, so they’re all actually a year older than what they are listed at here. eligibility-wise.

 

[RandomGuy]

Some inconsistencies here.

Qbs #23 and 35. (Much different elsewhere)

Tucker at 99. Backup Howard at 57. Adams was higher for some. (Didn't see him listed)

Harris at #132? NO.

Vett is listed as our Top lineman at #86. Dakota? The only one that earned a passing PFF run grade? (Or any passing grade) #213.

Steele mailed it in on this one.

 

[money3189]

Some inconsistencies here.

Qbs #23 and 35. (Much different elsewhere)

Tucker at 99. Backup Howard at 57. Adams was higher for some. (Didn't see him listed)

Harris at #132? NO.

Vett is listed as our Top lineman at #86. Dakota? The only one that earned a passing PFF run grade? (Or any passing grade) #213.

Steele mailed it in on this one.

I stopped looking at this when I read Dwayne Alford. I can't take this too serious.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't think there can be any sacred cows coming off a 1-10 season, especially where the offense was the largest part of the problem.

If TD starts, it will because he earned it in camp.

Tommy is going to start game 1, and we haven't even started camp.

Dino Babers: Tommy DeVito has an edge in the quarterback competition

Babers explained why Tommy DeVito has an advantage over Garrett Shrader heading into the team's first practice Aug. 6.

www.syracuse.com

 

[721Comstock]

Tommy is going to start game 1, and we haven't even started camp.

Dino Babers: Tommy DeVito has an edge in the quarterback competition

Babers explained why Tommy DeVito has an advantage over Garrett Shrader heading into the team's first practice Aug. 6.

www.syracuse.com

Well, saying that the guy in his 4th year here, has "an edge" over a dude who's in his 1st season - isn't exactly revelatory breaking news.

What would be MUCH worse - would be if he DIDN'T have an edge over the newbie.

Classic coach-speak. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

 

[tep624]

Well, saying that the guy in his 4th year here, has "an edge" over a dude who's in his 1st season - isn't exactly revelatory breaking news.

What would be MUCH worse - would be if he DIDN'T have an edge over the newbie.

Classic coach-speak. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Yeah no doubt.

 

[blizz]

It seemed like in 2019 TD was only looking for Trishton too much. I am sure the two practiced a lot together since neither were really playing in 2018. Our WRs went from:

Riley 64 to 36
Nykeim 41 to 19
Taj 40 to 37
Neal 13 to 29 (mainly replaced Strickland's 15)
Sharod 7 to 0
Hackett 4 to 23 (mainly replaced Ravian's 16)
Tirshton 3 to 66 (mainly replaced Custis' 51 and Butler's 14)
Jarveon 1 to 9
Benson 0 to 8
Adams 0 to 15

So we threw to the slots a lot less (50+) but threw to the RBs/TEs more (30+).

Thank you for this post. This validates what I've been saying for a while. The two biggest differences I see between a Dungey-led offense and Tommy is 1) the unwillingness to throw to the slot using the quick game and 2) the unwillingness to challenge the edge defender on the inside zone read. These were both bread and butter plays with Dungey and they complimented each other in addition to creating the situation where we could take a deep shot over the top of the defense. The quick game to the slot and then the quick throw to the slot lined up in a stack for a quick screen were both essential plays as they would force the outside linebackers to line up outside the box. This would set up inside zone which would then force the safeties to decrease their distance from the line. That opens up the vertical passing game. I see the quick slants and outs run by the slot receivers all the time. Their only responsibility is to get past the outside linebacker and the ball should get thrown, even with minimal separation, it's like a guaranteed 4-5 yard gain. Tommy will not throw this ball and it's mind boggling. I can't believe the coaches are not tearing into him over it. And I think that is behind the appearance of the wide receivers not working back to the ball. The window of opportunity on those plays is less than 2 seconds from the snap. The ball has to get out quickly for it to be effective. I also think the sideline wide receiver screens have basically disappeared from the offense under Tommy because they need this part of the quick game to be effective in order to get the kind of spacing needed from the defense to make this a high probability play.
It's not all on the offensive line.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Thank you for this post. This validates what I've been saying for a while. The two biggest differences I see between a Dungey-led offense and Tommy is 1) the unwillingness to throw to the slot using the quick game and 2) the unwillingness to challenge the edge defender on the inside zone read. These were both bread and butter plays with Dungey and they complimented each other in addition to creating the situation where we could take a deep shot over the top of the defense. The quick game to the slot and then the quick throw to the slot lined up in a stack for a quick screen were both essential plays as they would force the outside linebackers to line up outside the box. This would set up inside zone which would then force the safeties to decrease their distance from the line. That opens up the vertical passing game. I see the quick slants and outs run by the slot receivers all the time. Their only responsibility is to get past the outside linebacker and the ball should get thrown, even with minimal separation, it's like a guaranteed 4-5 yard gain. Tommy will not throw this ball and it's mind boggling. I can't believe the coaches are not tearing into him over it. And I think that is behind the appearance of the wide receivers not working back to the ball. The window of opportunity on those plays is less than 2 seconds from the snap. The ball has to get out quickly for it to be effective. I also think the sideline wide receiver screens have basically disappeared from the offense under Tommy because they need this part of the quick game to be effective in order to get the kind of spacing needed from the defense to make this a high probability play.
It's not all on the offensive line.

What's weird is I thought sometimes Dungey threw some bad ducks to the slot and the quick hits outside, so I expected those to be stronger weapons with DeVito.

Not what we've seen so far though.

 

[money3189]

Thank you for this post. This validates what I've been saying for a while. The two biggest differences I see between a Dungey-led offense and Tommy is 1) the unwillingness to throw to the slot using the quick game and 2) the unwillingness to challenge the edge defender on the inside zone read. These were both bread and butter plays with Dungey and they complimented each other in addition to creating the situation where we could take a deep shot over the top of the defense. The quick game to the slot and then the quick throw to the slot lined up in a stack for a quick screen were both essential plays as they would force the outside linebackers to line up outside the box. This would set up inside zone which would then force the safeties to decrease their distance from the line. That opens up the vertical passing game. I see the quick slants and outs run by the slot receivers all the time. Their only responsibility is to get past the outside linebacker and the ball should get thrown, even with minimal separation, it's like a guaranteed 4-5 yard gain. Tommy will not throw this ball and it's mind boggling. I can't believe the coaches are not tearing into him over it. And I think that is behind the appearance of the wide receivers not working back to the ball. The window of opportunity on those plays is less than 2 seconds from the snap. The ball has to get out quickly for it to be effective. I also think the sideline wide receiver screens have basically disappeared from the offense under Tommy because they need this part of the quick game to be effective in order to get the kind of spacing needed from the defense to make this a high probability play.
It's not all on the offensive line.

Excellent post. Your breakdown on the slot position makes a lot of sense. I dont think people see the mis reads by Tommy because they dont understand the offense. Its easy to see the O line give up sacks so they tend to focus on that.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Excellent post. Your breakdown on the slot position makes a lot of sense. I dont think people see the mis reads by Tommy because they dont understand the offense. Its easy to see the O line give up sacks so they tend to focus on that.

Tommy only throws 2 passes - the quick out, and the deep ball down the right sideline.

Whether that's his fault of that of the person calling the plays is something we will find out in September.

 

[Nicknack]

In addition to what has already been stated, what has also been frustrating to me about Tommy is the occasional run out of bounds for a 5-7 yard loss instead of throwing it away. I was reminded of this when watching last year's Dook game a couple of weeks ago. Those are usually drive killers for a team that is already offensively challenged. I'm not sure what this is about, perhaps indecision.

 

[blizz]

What's weird is I thought sometimes Dungey threw some bad ducks to the slot and the quick hits outside, so I expected those to be stronger weapons with DeVito.

Not what we've seen so far though.

Without a doubt Eric did not throw the ball with the velocity and precision needed on those quick throws, especially when reaching to the sideline. Tommy would ace those throws, and something simple like the half second less that the ball would take to get there would translate to more yards and even more favorable spacing from the defense. It simply blows my mind.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Tommy only throws 2 passes - the quick out, and the deep ball down the right sideline.

Whether that's his fault of that of the person calling the plays is something we will find out in September.

That feels like the case but is it? I can never find a passing chart for college QBs.

 

[blizz]

Tommy only throws 2 passes - the quick out, and the deep ball down the right sideline.

Whether that's his fault of that of the person calling the plays is something we will find out in September.

The stats indicate that the two throws are the deep vertical and the dump off to a running back behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Excellent post. Your breakdown on the slot position makes a lot of sense. I dont think people see the mis reads by Tommy because they dont understand the offense. Its easy to see the O line give up sacks so they tend to focus on that.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is making the correct read but making the wrong decision. The coverage might say the HR is available IF the time is there. But he needs to have the FB IQ to know that won't happen often so take the 5-6 yard single to the slot. Or he could simply just be waiting too long to see if the HR develops. Sometimes you need to take the gains. We miss those Erv extended running plays.

 

[IthacaMatt]

In addition to what has already been stated, what has also been frustrating to me about Tommy is the occasional run out of bounds for a 5-7 yard loss instead of throwing it away. I was reminded of this when watching last year's Dook game a couple of weeks ago. Those are usually drive killers for a team that is already offensively challenged. I'm not sure what this is about, perhaps indecision.

YES!!! This is the most obvious lack of "high IQ" play. Where is your awareness?
We learn these things playing in Pop Warner, FFS.

 

[AngryOtto]

Well, saying that the guy in his 4th year here, has "an edge" over a dude who's in his 1st season - isn't exactly revelatory breaking news.

What would be MUCH worse - would be if he DIDN'T have an edge over the newbie.

Classic coach-speak. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

DB wants to keep pushing Sharder and the others.
Honestly if I was Sharder I would just know that even if TD starts I will take the job early in the season. How early remains to be seen.
I personally just do not think TD will show this mass metamorphosis some expect. I would not be surprised if most of us are screaming at the tv by the end of the first quarter of the Ohio game.
Could be wrong and I do see this team really going run heavy but the D also has to worry about the passing game for the run to be affective and not sure that will happen with TD.

 

[IthacaMatt]

DB wants to keep pushing Sharder and the others.
Honestly if I was Sharder I would just know that even if TD starts I will take the job early in the season. How early remains to be seen.
I personally just do not think TD will show this mass metamorphosis some expect. I would not be surprised if most of us are screaming at the tv by the end of the first quarter of the Ohio game.
Could be wrong and I do see this team really going run heavy but the D also has to worry about the passing game for the run to be affective and not sure that will happen with TD.

Yep. My concern (and expectation), too.
Well said.
I just hope we have a running game to fall back on.

 

[money3189]

Tommy only throws 2 passes - the quick out, and the deep ball down the right sideline.

Whether that's his fault of that of the person calling the plays is something we will find out in September.

I watch over and over again of all the games he’s played in. I have a good sense of the mis reads. Some of their plays are commonly used by many teams. Not hard to figure out. It’s not all on Tommy though. Have to put blame on the Wr’s. Cuse run a lot of read routes where you makes choices based on what the defense do or how a particular defender reacts. Wr’s need to make the right determination and Tommy needs to read off the Wr. There’s run reads that TD misses on too. You have to watch the little things.

 

[money3189]

I wouldn't be surprised if he is making the correct read but making the wrong decision. The coverage might say the HR is available IF the time is there. But he needs to have the FB IQ to know that won't happen often so take the 5-6 yard single to the slot. Or he could simply just be waiting too long to see if the HR develops. Sometimes you need to take the gains. We miss those Erv extended running plays.

Excellent point.

 

[blizz]

I wouldn't be surprised if he is making the correct read but making the wrong decision. The coverage might say the HR is available IF the time is there. But he needs to have the FB IQ to know that won't happen often so take the 5-6 yard single to the slot. Or he could simply just be waiting too long to see if the HR develops. Sometimes you need to take the gains. We miss those Erv extended running plays.

My understanding, especially early in the game the quick throws to the slot are scripted plays simply to see how the defense is going to cover it. The wide receiver in those situations isn't really running a route, his responsibility is to simply run the corner off, you'll notice if the defense is playing zone and the corner lets the wide out pass the receiver will break off the route and block the corner instead. The QB has two reads into the flat but is usually only focused on one given the most favorable matchup. If the qb doesn't throw the ball, the only contingency besides a read to the opposite flat (which usually isn't there because too much time has passed) or throwing the ball away is to run around the end into the space the slot defender just vacated.