Who has a better opportunity than JB of getting Cuse to another National title... Common sense here

[syrBossHogg]

Went to the sweet 16, and didn’t even look like we were playing the same sport as Houston.

We’re nowhere near winning a championship, even if we flummox a couple BS west coast teams in the first weekend of the dance every few years.

But this comment is too negative! That’s the problem these days, the board is too negative!

/s

 

[TinyManInside]

I want to get back to a time and place where when Syracuse goes to the Sweet 16 people say "yep that's expected" as opposed to "oh look at Syracuse they're adorable as a double digit seed!"

this.

 

[kcsu]

Hop. He can coach. PAC gave him a few awards for it. He can recruit better than most. He has experience. He still bleeds Orange.

 

[Sherman20]

There is NO alt universe where we have Andre AND Kadary.

None.

Andre was a heavy Cuse lean (considered by some nearly a lock), until Hurley offered him the package deal of him and his little brother.

Meanwhile, Kadary was a heavy UConn lean, who we then flipped after they landed Dre.

If we kept Andre, Kadary stays w UConn.

Kadary wasn’t a UConn lean. Those were some bad rumors. No one really knew what he was going to do but he wanted to go to Cuse. I would hope that if we had a head coach like Hop, he would have sought to bring in both Andre and Kadary.

 

[TinyManInside]

Ok so I get confused by all the drivel from JB haters on here... What people want...Yes its been a bad year... 1st time ever and still time to rebound... Im actually curious how the team will grow... and Im not gonna act spoiled by years of success... There has never been a sub 500 team... EVER!... Yes there has been some mediocre regular seasons in recent years... I dont care... They grinded and most times got to the tourney and made runs, including 2 fairly recent FF's.. Many of you complain about reg season record not being gaudy but also expect Title run... Its hard

My question for you is, not including settled in coaches not coming to Syracuse.. (i.e. K and Few, Self) what coaches do you actually believe in more than JB to get Cuse back to even a final four for a chance at a title... Use some common sense here... If you think Jay Wright is walking thru that door then fine but I dont... As much as I like him I don't think its Nate Oats, he's got a great team and is inconsistent this year... Is Scott Drew coming?... Nope... Just don't see names that are real that I trust over JB.

Once the boys move on we'll get back to athletic, longer players who fit our style... Cuse has a system, its JB's system...its an identity... Its had success and a former player will continue that as HC... They know the hardships and expectations of the job.

I just noticed on CBS sports Hot seat names list...lol... Tom Cream once won of the hottest coaching names around and Im not a fan but he's now gonna get fired again.. No sure things

I moved form NY to TN many years ago, I absolutely hate the UT Vols, but have many many friends who are passionate fans.. Alot of people here have a lot of regret about the uproar they had over Phil Fulmer and his eventual removal as HC of the football team.. He had some mediocre years and people thought it past him by.. I have seen the CRAPSHOW that has existed in UT vols football and a fans base that has become uninterested due to coaching turnover in the last 15 yrs.. I don't look forward to 15 years of that.. I look forward to a few more years of competitive games and hopeful tourney runs
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There are probably 20-30 coaches active in D1 that have a better chance of winning an NC than our current coach. We don't have the talent to win it all, and that's not gonna be fixed by a 77 year old.

 

[AZOrange]

If the next coach goes .500 is that any worse than where SU has been the last 8 years ?

Difference is the next coach won’t get 8 years at that win percentage

 

[Gotothehole]

The next man up. Let’s just move on

 

[RF2044]

Hop. He can coach. PAC gave him a few awards for it. He can recruit better than most. He has experience. He still bleeds Orange.

And he's slightly above .500 this year.

He'll fit right in, and help maintain the status quo.

No thanks.

 

[Briancuse]

And he's slightly above .500 this year.

He'll fit right in, and help maintain the status quo.

No thanks.

Probably going to have the same record as us.

 

[DoctorBombay]

While watching Andre Jackson last night I let myself think about what it would be like with him and Swider on the wings and Kadary and Buddy up top. It made me sad because that lineup with Joe's shooting coming off the bench or even starting and getting 20 mins at the point and 6 or so at the 2 sure seems like a top 20 team to me.

I submit that Andre Jackson would get little to no PT on JB’s team. He looked horrible last season and for most of this one, but to Hurley’s credit, he carved out a facilitator role for him wherein he just defends, rebounds, uses his good passing ability to gather assists, and is not asked to score.
Call me jaded, but Jackson would’ve likely sat the bench, yanked at every missed shot or assignment, and eventually withered waiting for his opportunity.
I’ve never been a fan of how JB uses his bench, and the last 3 years have made me more cynical. JMHO

 

[kcsu]

And he's slightly above .500 this year.

He'll fit right in, and help maintain the status quo.

No thanks.

He will crush it at Cuse. He is a very strong recruiter. He will do well in the portal and do well keeping kids in the program. I believe he has gained great experience at Washington coaching at the highest level. Coach Ks first two years were a disaster and he turned out ok. The transition from JB to any coach is going to be tough. My focus would be to hire someone with excellent recruiting ties in the east. Someone with D1 experience and if possible, someone who understands the unique

 

[dasher]

He will crush it at Cuse. He is a very strong recruiter. He will do well in the portal and do well keeping kids in the program. I believe he has gained great experience at Washington coaching at the highest level. Coach Ks first two years were a disaster and he turned out ok. The transition from JB to any coach is going to be tough. My focus would be to hire someone with excellent recruiting ties in the east. Someone with D1 experience and if possible, someone who understands the unique

the problem with Hop is that it is zone 24-7. I want a coach with the same qualities that you mentioned and also can play more than one defense.

 

[RF2044]

the problem with Hop is that it is zone 24-7. I want a coach with the same qualities that you mentioned and also can play more than one defense.

Agreed.

The definition of insanity is doing the same things but expecting different results. If our program was humming along and performing at a high level, then a continuity hire that follows the same approach would be smart [like Duke].

Since our program has been mired in a trend of steady decline, it makes no sense to hire an inferior version of the existing head coach. And Hop's multi-year trend of poor performance is yet another massive red flag that should disqualify him from contention.

Fundamentally, this goes beyond man-vs-zone for me. But I think in the main, your assessment is the correct way to frame it up -- do we want to double down on an approach that appears to be out of synch with the modern college basketball game, or do we want to go in a different direction?

I'm expecting the latter. If Wildhack was planning to restrict himself only to in-house candidates, then they would have already named a head coach in waiting to offset the negative recruiting being used against us, about JB not being around much longer.

That he hasn't is telling.

 

[DoctorBombay]

the problem with Hop is that it is zone 24-7. I want a coach with the same qualities that you mentioned and also can play more than one defense.

Personally i don’t care what defense he plays, as long as he wins. The key is flexibility. I don’t want a coach so wedded to a system that he refuses to be open to change.
JB’s zone is a thing of beauty when it works, but when it doesn’t he tries to force feed the issue instead of switching. Couple that with the faulty pieces we’ve seen these last few years & you end up stale, gimmicky, and tired.

 

[dasher]

Personally i don’t care what defense he plays, as long as he wins. The key is flexibility. I don’t want a coach so wedded to a system that he refuses to be open to change.
JB’s zone is a thing of beauty when it works, but when it doesn’t he tries to force feed the issue instead of switching. Couple that with the faulty pieces we’ve seen these last few years & you end up stale, gimmicky, and tired.

No one that plays us is surprised at what we do on defense. They are prepared.

 

[FrancoPizza]

the problem with Hop is that it is zone 24-7. I want a coach with the same qualities that you mentioned and also can play more than one defense.

I thought he showed a willingness to change it up or did he stop that the last few seasons?

 

[dasher]

I thought he showed a willingness to change it up or did he stop that the last few seasons?

They play 2-3 zone.

 

[FrancoPizza]

They play 2-3 zone.

I don't think anyone is anti-zone... c'mon dash. It's 'give me zone or give me death' that we're tired of.

 

[baggerbob]

One person notes your post quantity, and you characterize it as "everyone." Some people are critical of JAB and our current situation, and you call it "drivel." You characterize everything in black and white, and us against them, which doesn't speak very well for how you process 'information.'

To answer your 'basic' question, i have a not so binary answer.

If the objective, within the logical maximum period in which JAB could continue to coach—let's say 10 years as permitted by health/sanity—is to reach a Final Four, i'd put JAB's chances at even versus the field of possible replacements. But, that's just one component of what i'm looking for. If the objective is to restore us to a consistent top 20 team within 10 years, i'd put the field above JAB. We need wholesale, systemic change to do that. The zone and one impact recruit can get you into a 'lucky final four.' I don't count that as sustained excellence, which i think should be the ultimate objective.

Your last sentence says a lot. We will be very sorry if we move away from JAB "quicker." That's a weird statement to parse. So, you recognize JAB will eventually retire and need to be replaced. But, you foresee potholes or tragedy somewhere in the few years difference between "end of this year" versus "five years from now?" What's the point of that? If we're going to suffer it, you'd prefer that we prolong this mediocrity, and then hit the rough pavement? Dragging down our brand for a handful of years more before we change, thereby making the change even more difficult, with an even steeper hill to climb? For me, this is more like a certain type of examination i should have but can't seem to force myself to get. Intellectually, i know it's better to take care of things sooner rather than later. To 'know' sooner rather than later. To deal with things actively—not just allow decline and pathology to fester.

The problem the people who don't want JB to leave is they keep saying we got to a FF, and sweet 16. Yes we did that, but had no chance to win the FF. During the DC years, and other years we had the talent to win the entire thing and were upset when we lost.
But we had the talent to compete, lost to a team which was better on that day.
Then we went into the next season knowing we would have a contending team.
Now it has gotten to the point where every season starts with , will we keep the winning streak alive.
How far a great program has fallen, and some fans won't accept the fact.

 

[dasher]

I don't think anyone is anti-zone... c'mon dash. It's 'give me zone or give me death' that we're tired of.

He plays more 2-3 than we do.

 

[RF2044]

He plays more 2-3 than we do.

And therein lies the rub -- he's a no-trick pony who just emulates what he knows, only he's not as good as the guy he studied under.

Love Hop, appreciate all of his contributions to the program as both a player and an AC, but...

 

[orange79]

And therein lies the rub -- he's a no-trick pony who just emulates what he knows, only he's not as good as the guy he studied under.

Love Hop, appreciate all of his contributions to the program as both a player and an AC, but...

To be fair, that would make him a one-trick pony, no?

 

[SUbear]

the problem with Hop is that it is zone 24-7. I want a coach with the same qualities that you mentioned and also can play more than one defense.

You want JB from his first thirty years, He had a totally different style initially.

 

[GooseMutt]

Was there even 1 game this year that anybody remarked that our zone defense was amazing and drastically stifled an opponent?
If you’re gonna argue that we didn’t have the personnel, then why are we doing it?

Just one?

 

[gmoney44]

the problem with Hop is that it is zone 24-7. I want a coach with the same qualities that you mentioned and also can play more than one defense.

Exactly. I feel like this is our chance to ditch the zone being our only defense. If we don’t do it with the next coach we may be doomed to play the zone for eternity. Which is one of the 9 circles of my hell.