Wildhack is on the Clock

[Irishsecra1]

From 247 sports
Jaquan Carlos- 3 star in HS, 4 star transfer
Jyare Davis- 3 star in HS, 4 star transfer
Eddie Lampkin- 3 star in HS, 4 star transfer
Lucas Taylor- 3 star in HS, 4 star transfer
Donnie Freeman- 5 star in HS
Elijah Moore- 4 star in HS
Kyle Cuffe Jr- 4 star in HS, 3 star transfer
Naheem McLeod- 3 star in HS, 3 star transfer
Chance Westry- 4 star in HS, 4 star transfer
JJ Starling- 5 stars in HS, 4 star transfer
Chris Bell- 4 star in HS

Understand we have had injuries, maybe poor roster construction, or just bad evaluation done on our players specifically from the recruiting services. But on paper, we are doing less with more right now. It’s not even close.

Compare it to what Gerry is doing with Siena who sits at 7-7 after going 4-28 last season.
and all they have is junior college transfers, division 2 transfers, a Hofstra transfer, Peter Carey and a few one and 2 star recruits.
That is what inheriting a dumpster fire is, not what Red got.
Yet Gerry is making it work thru sheer hard work and instilling the never surrender attitude in his players.
That is sadly what Reds team is missing.
And they both beat Cornell, Siena did it by 6 with Carey scoring 13.

Red has a very laid back personality.
Great for being everyone’s buddy, not so great to lead a team.
Leaders have to make decisions and choices that sometimes are not easy or popular

 

[FloridaCuse]

Compare it to what Gerry is doing with Siena who sits at 7-7 after going 4-28 last season.
and all they have is junior college transfers, division 2 transfers, a Hofstra transfer, Peter Carey and a few one and 2 star recruits.
That is what inheriting a dumpster fire is, not what Red got.
Yet Gerry is making it work thru sheer hard work and instilling the never surrender attitude in his players.
That is sadly what Reds team is missing.
And they both beat Cornell, Siena did it by 6 with Carey scoring 13.

and . . . they both beat Bucknell. Syracuse by 12 at home and Siena by 13 at a neutral site.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Billionaire hero worship is sad. It's crazy how much press this guy made for himself by using SU for headlines. No one knew who he was before and now people pine for him.

He talked a lot but provided little.

 

[bnoro]

He talked a lot but provided little.

He did exactly what he wanted. Used SU for publicity for his grifting

 

[Trueblue25]

Losing weitsman isnt in my top 5 of things that killed this program. People need to get over that one. There’s other sources of money out there. Football’s not hurting.

 

[cardiac]

Compare it to what Gerry is doing with Siena who sits at 7-7 after going 4-28 last season.
and all they have is junior college transfers, division 2 transfers, a Hofstra transfer, Peter Carey and a few one and 2 star recruits.
That is what inheriting a dumpster fire is, not what Red got.
Yet Gerry is making it work thru sheer hard work and instilling the never surrender attitude in his players.
That is sadly what Reds team is missing.
And they both beat Cornell, Siena did it by 6 with Carey scoring 13.

Red has a very laid back personality.
Great for being everyone’s buddy, not so great to lead a team.
Leaders have to make decisions and choices that sometimes are not easy or popular

They also beat bucknell by more then us

 

[007]

stars really don't matter much and if you look at most of our great teams , 2010 being an exception, they didn't have many 3 stars. You have watched the real ability of these guys. Is Taylor a 4 star transfer? Or Carlos? Or davis? Westry? These guys can't play at a high level and that isn't just coaching. They aren't good players at this level.

I fully agree, the talent deficiency on this roster is undeniable. I think the posters that know the game understand this. And, more importantly, the decision makers in the AD office also know this is a primary (but not the only) factor behind what we see play out on the court.

This does not absolve Red - I know you are not suggesting that it does. Red is part of the problem. Coaching, player development, talent evaluation, and NIL are real issues. But, the mindset that "this is all Red's fault; he is not running a discernible offense or defense; doesn't have a clue" is misguided.

 

[rrlbees]

He talked a lot but provided little.

Several SU athletes would disagree with that.

 

[Scooch]

He did exactly what he wanted. Used SU for publicity for his grifting

You clearly don’t know how to rise and grind, bro!

 

[jdubs30]

We replaced Jesse with McClod.

A polished starting P4 center was replaced with a 7'-4" project that forced us to start guards at center.

100% whiff.

Next year, Lampkin... Paid for a polished, P4 starting center... Got a guy with finishing skills that can't rebound and plays very poor defense and is not in shape to play starter minutes. A decent backup that fleeced us for starter NIL.

There was no fleecing. Lampkin is the same player for us he was for TCU and Colorado. It was all on film. We chose to pay him

 

[kingtidge]

There was no fleecing. Lampkin is the same player for us he was for TCU and Colorado. It was all on film. We chose to pay him

Fair enough. It was money not well spent.

 

[DilemaCuse]

The AD did his job but doesn't have carte blanche on who to hire. When the administration says where going internal not sure what he's supposed to do exactly.

Id air out the laundry saying I don't have authority to hire and fix this, if this is true I don't know if I make the comments JW made supporting Autry at time of hire. Maybe I resign then.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I didn’t like the hire immediately, along with a few others. I didn’t know if he could coach or not but why role the dice. Just get someone that has been a head coach and has a proven track record. That isn’t a guarantee that they will succeed here but it takes some of the unknown out of the equation.

The other thing that scared me is I had never heard Red’s name mentioned as a candidate for any other head coaching jobs anywhere at any level. That is pretty telling to me.

That's another factor that drove me nuts about the Red hire and I've said this in multiple threads. There was no demand for Red outside of Syracuse, and to hand him $3 mill? Lol
He would have done it half that and felt lucky to get the opportunity.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I’ve read very little of this thread, but I assume it’s a lot of venting. Barring something catastrophic, Red is getting year 3. But if there’s no tournament in March of 26, it’s over and I would wager that we’re going outside the SU tree for replacement. Looking for a Fran Brown type for hoops.

I think we're at catastrophic already barring some act of God turnaround

 

[CnyTarheel]

Billionaire hero worship is sad. It's crazy how much press this guy made for himself by using SU for headlines. No one knew who he was before and now people pine for him.

Um.. alot of people knew who he was.. using SU? The celebrities came because of him, not because of the University.. simply put if su wants to compete with the big dogs chasing Weitsman away was a HORRIBLE move

 

[DilemaCuse]

Adam W., Banned? Why? SEC Billionaires , Walmart Heirs, Texas Big Oil men, NIke founder's Money, Never heard of a school banning a mega donor , but Cuse...

Exactly, it drives me nuts. I swear sometimes this school doesn't want to win, they have this arrogance of an ivy league cult without the academic ranking while not having a clue on athletics.

 

[Scooch]

Um.. alot of people knew who he was.. using SU? The celebrities came because of him, not because of the University.. simply put if su wants to compete with the big dogs chasing Weitsman away was a HORRIBLE move

Celebrities came because he paid them.

The guy built his fame by paying celebs to hang. Syracuse was just one of the settings for it.

It’s a rich person network. Mutually beneficial.

And again, Weitsman chose to stop doing stuff at SU. He was asked to change some things and he literally said he wouldn’t do it.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Wildhack is a “jimmys & joes” kinda guy. If we have defections and the recruiting class falls apart including Kiyan backing out, I think that’s catastrophic.

He’s going to give his coaches a chance to get their players in place. I don’t think this year’s record is going to be enough to get him to pull the trigger.

I would think the evaluation miss at PG is very concerning to JW- but I think he believes Kline can help in that area this offseason.

If he doesn’t think Red can evaluate, attract and retain quality players, then he’ll make a move.

Jimmy's and joes? I previously posted we have more MCDONALD'S AAs than P5 wins. This coaching is an embarrassment.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If he really cared about SU athletics, he could still donate to the collectives. He’s chosen not to.

 

[phil77]

simply put if su wants to compete with the big dogs chasing Weitsman away was a HORRIBLE move

I don't agree with the way Weitsman went about his business and thought him doing all the stuff he did was stupid but but but but I do agree with this part. In this day in age if you want to be a big-time program you have to put up with some stuff and it was up to Syracuse to find a beneficial compromise with him to continue giving money to the NIL. Basically the difference between Carlos and a top-level PG transfer.

I don't care how many other donors you have can't just blindly push people away in this day in age.

 

[CuseTG2003]

Troy Weaver went the NBA scout / admin path.

I agree w/ others that coaching trees are overrated, but JB’s also includes Tim Welsh, Tim O’Toole, and standup guy Rob Murphy…

 

[Zelda Zonk]

If he really cared about SU athletics, he could still donate to the collectives. He’s chosen not to.

I doubt it was all that simple. Relationships can be fractured despite what each side wants.

I wish the two parties could have come to a compromise resolution. Wish I knew the particulars, but it ain‘t my business to know or to judge.

 

[Red2003]

Billionaire hero worship is sad. It's crazy how much press this guy made for himself by using SU for headlines. No one knew who he was before and now people pine for him.

100% Last I saw of Weitsman was him trying to be on Selling Sunset on Netflix buying some crazy mansion. Gimme a break.

I don't like too much worshiping of our former players or coaches either really. I want them involved and helping but not as if we should treat their word as gospel.

 

[Red2003]

Compare it to what Gerry is doing with Siena who sits at 7-7 after going 4-28 last season.
and all they have is junior college transfers, division 2 transfers, a Hofstra transfer, Peter Carey and a few one and 2 star recruits.
That is what inheriting a dumpster fire is, not what Red got.
Yet Gerry is making it work thru sheer hard work and instilling the never surrender attitude in his players.
That is sadly what Reds team is missing.
And they both beat Cornell, Siena did it by 6 with Carey scoring 13.

Red has a very laid back personality.
Great for being everyone’s buddy, not so great to lead a team.
Leaders have to make decisions and choices that sometimes are not easy or popular

I mean he did cut Benny loose last year so I was hoping we'd have more discipline and toughness this year but nope.

I do wonder about the personality like you said.

Can't play the good cop in hoops and football world right now.

Remember Fran told us he sat a bunch of his starting secondary for slacking late in the season. I remember thinking damn is that allowed at Syracuse, benching starters late in the year. What if we lose cuz.

Then those same guys closed with a 10 win season. Fran knows his team inside and out, Autry just doesn't.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I mean he did cut Benny loose last year so I was hoping we'd have more discipline and toughness this year but nope.

I do wonder about the personality like you said.

Can't play the good cop in hoops and football world right now.

Remember Fran told us he sat a bunch of his starting secondary for slacking late in the season. I remember thinking damn is that allowed at Syracuse, benching starters late in the year. What if we lose cuz.

Then those same guys closed with a 10 win season. Fran knows his team inside and out, Autry just doesn't.

I don’t know how the personality aspect prevents the team from understanding how to play defense, though. We had chunky, no-handle bigs rolling to the rim for thunder dunks from like 15’ out in consecutive games. We have oops tossed on us consistently. Blown assignments, switches that don’t happen, players looking at each other with upturned palms after opponent slams…. All pretty consistently. Those things CAN happen to any team, but they happen disproportionately to us, and by a yuuuge margin,

We just do not know HOW to play. And even some of the things we seem to do intentionally, consistently, are the WRONG things to do, and are demonstrated to be wrong, consistently. The coaches ought to be reading this board. Obvious stuff that even a person such as myself recognizes easily, and I’m no coach.

These are simple, fundamental things that even Lemoyne does properly. As has been said before, these things don’t cost money and they don’t require 5-stars.

Maybe you’re suggesting that a crack the whip type of coach would be more punitive in benching and substituting reactions based on poor play? Like JB handled things? But, again, it almost seems like there are Mistakes and there is Bad Coaching/Schemes, and Red is not punitive as much for the mistakes, and doesn‘t recognize the bad schemes. And there isn’t enough Talent to make up for either.