Wildhack is on the Clock

[Irishsecra1]

I don’t know how the personality aspect prevents the team from understanding how to play defense, though. We had chunky, no-handle bigs rolling to the rim for thunder dunks from like 15’ out in consecutive games. We have oops tossed on us consistently. Blown assignments, switches that don’t happen, players looking at each other with upturned palms after opponent slams…. All pretty consistently. Those things CAN happen to any team, but they happen disproportionately to us, and by a yuuuge margin,

We just do not know HOW to play. And even some of the things we seem to do intentionally, consistently, are the WRONG things to do, and are demonstrated to be wrong, consistently. The coaches ought to be reading this board. Obvious stuff that even a person such as myself recognizes easily, and I’m no coach.

These are simple, fundamental things that even Lemoyne does properly. As has been said before, these things don’t cost money and they don’t require 5-stars.

Maybe you’re suggesting that a crack the whip type of coach would be more punitive in benching and substituting reactions based on poor play? Like JB handled things? But, again, it almost seems like there are Mistakes and there is Bad Coaching/Schemes, and Red is not punitive as much for the mistakes, and doesn‘t recognize the bad schemes. And there isn’t enough Talent to make up for either.

You don’t need to be a crack the whip kind of coach to succeed.
You need to inspire your players to work hard and never ever give up on the court.
Only Taylor and Cuffe play that way.
Again, Red is an elite recruiter, now he has to show he is a good coach,
Fran had the same test and passed, jury still out on Red but not trending well.

 

[kcsu]

He took over a team with enough talent to make the NCAAT and failed to make the NCAAT. Then in year 2 he will give us (best case) our worst team since 1969, worst case since 1962. There is zero justification to bring him back.

Baloney. He took over a dysfunctional mess and got 20 wins. Tell JB hi

 

[dasher]

Exactly, it drives me nuts. I swear sometimes this school doesn't want to win, they have this arrogance of an ivy league cult without the academic ranking while not having a clue on athletics.

I don't believe Adam was banned at all. He was told that there was a right to donate to the collective and a wrong way. The school needed him to donate the right way. He wanted to donate his way since it was his money. There doesn't have to be a bad guy here. Two different agendas.

 

[kcsu]

Wildhack is a “jimmys & joes” kinda guy. If we have defections and the recruiting class falls apart including Kiyan backing out, I think that’s catastrophic.

He’s going to give his coaches a chance to get their players in place. I don’t think this year’s record is going to be enough to get him to pull the trigger.

I would think the evaluation miss at PG is very concerning to JW- but I think he believes Kline can help in that area this offseason.

If he doesn’t think Red can evaluate, attract and retain quality players, then he’ll make a move.

He didn't miss he had talent identified but didn't close. Dry Rub was a huge miss. The money should have secured a pg before anyone else

 

[kcsu]

I don't believe Adam was banned at all. He was told that there was a right to donate to the collective and a wrong way. The school needed him to donate the right way. He wanted to donate his way since it was his money. There doesn't have to be a bad guy here. Two different agendas.

My two cents. If Adam hadn't been JBs pal things would have been fine. Kent and Jim don't exchange Christmas cards.

 

[dasher]

My two cents. If Adam hadn't been JBs pal things would have been fine. Kent and Jim don't exchange Christmas cards.

I disagree but understand your point. Can't have a booster just doing whatever he wants. And as I have said in the past, Kent and Jim are both right. About each other

 

[kcsu]

I disagree but understand your point. Can't have a booster just doing whatever he wants. And as I have said in the past, Kent and Jim are both right. About each other

Good take. Jim is so stubborn he won't even lift a pinky to mend fences and he could.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Baloney. He took over a dysfunctional mess and got 20 wins. Tell JB hi

1. He got 19
2. Losing to FSU, GA Tech, BC was not talent issue
3. Neither was losing by 25 ppg in the other Ls

We had enough talent to be a major bubble team instead we weren’t even on the bubble

Facts

 

[dasher]

1. He got 19
2. Losing to FSU, GA Tech, BC was not talent issue
3. Neither was losing by 25 ppg in the other Ls

We had enough talent to be a major bubble team instead we weren’t even on the bubble

Facts

We also beat North Carolina who was 17-3 and beat Pitt twice. And won at N.C State. We had a team of nit wits who aren't doing much at their new schools. We had Judah. And that was big. Sort of. But that team was nowhere near a tournament team. And that is also a fact.

 

[BomberOrange]

I’ve read very little of this thread, but I assume it’s a lot of venting. Barring something catastrophic, Red is getting year 3. But if there’s no tournament in March of 26, it’s over and I would wager that we’re going outside the SU tree for replacement. Looking for a Fran Brown type for hoops.

It’s already catastrophic

 

[im4cuse]

1. He got 19
2. Losing to FSU, GA Tech, BC was not talent issue
3. Neither was losing by 25 ppg in the other Ls

We had enough talent to be a major bubble team instead we weren’t even on the bubble

Facts

Everyone knows I’m the resident Hoya hater, after 50 years in the DMV. But I think their trajectory is similar and also points the way out. (Could also say same about Ville). The Hoyas suffered from the in house choices, with JT (like JB) looming too large. Even though JT3 went to a FF, he was awful. Notice he never got another head coaching job. And JB went to two FF as surprises around the same time. Masking underlying issues in both cases. They had to hit bottom with Ewing. It ripped their fan base at the time as many couldn’t do what needed to be done. They finally did and have the perfect hire to start the long road back. Not world beaters. But in a better shape and conference than us. However since we likely won’t go 0 for the season in the ACC, Red gets a final shot. Then it’s inevitable.

 

[dasher]

Everyone knows I’m the resident Hoya hater, after 50 years in the DMV. But I think their trajectory is similar and also points the way out. (Could also say same about Ville). The Hoyas suffered from the in house choices, with JT (like JB) looming too large. Even though JT3 went to a FF, he was awful. Notice he never got another head coaching job. And JB went to two FF as surprises around the same time. Masking underlying issues in both cases. They had to hit bottom with Ewing. It ripped their fan base at the time as many couldn’t do what needed to be done. They finally did and have the perfect hire to start the long road back. Not world beaters. But in a better shape and conference than us. However since we likely won’t go 0 for the season in the ACC, Red gets a final shot. Then it’s inevitable.

I think you probably hit it. It just doesn't seem to be our way to fire a coach after 2 seasons. You would have to think, barring a scandal, this is pushing it. We just aren't fun to watch and we aren't competitive. And the league we are in sucks. Imagine this team in the leagues we used to play in? But he probably gets a year to get things right.

 

[BomberOrange]

It was well discussed that Weitsman putting recruits on private jets was drawing unwelcome scrutiny on the program.

The guy was asked to tone it down and he refused. Took his ball and went home.

Whatever. Life goes on. We had some of our worst seasons when he was most prominent. So whatever he was doing wasn’t working anyway.

Those seasons were better than the last two. Dumb move by the university. These are things the SEC embraces….as they say “it just means more”

 

[rrlbees]

Good take. Jim is so stubborn he won't even lift a pinky to mend fences and he could.

There’s no fence to mend. Has nothing to do with JB.

 

[BomberOrange]

Losing weitsman isnt in my top 5 of things that killed this program. People need to get over that one. There’s other sources of money out there. Football’s not hurting.

You’re right as far as the program, but losing him as an NIL source hurts. He is an SEC NIL type that we need. But some of you are too ignorant to realize that.

 

[BomberOrange]

Compare it to what Gerry is doing with Siena who sits at 7-7 after going 4-28 last season.
and all they have is junior college transfers, division 2 transfers, a Hofstra transfer, Peter Carey and a few one and 2 star recruits.
That is what inheriting a dumpster fire is, not what Red got.
Yet Gerry is making it work thru sheer hard work and instilling the never surrender attitude in his players.
That is sadly what Reds team is missing.
And they both beat Cornell, Siena did it by 6 with Carey scoring 13.

Red has a very laid back personality.
Great for being everyone’s buddy, not so great to lead a team.
Leaders have to make decisions and choices that sometimes are not easy or popular

Sienas schedule isn’t exactly like ours he wasn’t the answer either

 

[wiCuse]

Wildhack is a “jimmys & joes” kinda guy. If we have defections and the recruiting class falls apart including Kiyan backing out, I think that’s catastrophic.

He’s going to give his coaches a chance to get their players in place. I don’t think this year’s record is going to be enough to get him to pull the trigger.

I would think the evaluation miss at PG is very concerning to JW- but I think he believes Kline can help in that area this offseason.

If he doesn’t think Red can evaluate, attract and retain quality players, then he’ll make a move.

I appreciate the info. This is very concerning for the following reasons:

Evaluation: This isn't much that needs to be said here. Red said he wanted to play uptempo and prioritizes a center that can only play in the half court. Also, it's not discussed enough when we lost Jesse we signed McLeod who cannot defend the pick and roll and also doesn't run the floor. I get it was late when we lost Jesse, but identify someone that fits your scheme.
Coaching: How is Red's in-game coaching not a major concern to JW and large donors? We get JJ back and it's more of the same. Coaching and development should tie everything together. If you get or miss your guys in the portal/recruiting, you're still able to develop what you have and out coach the other team. We have no chance here and haven't improved this season. If some feel Red is an ace recruiter. Sell me on getting rid of everyone except Straughn and hire coaches that focus on x's & o's.
Donors: It has been mentioned that some donors are not happy about the return on Lampkin and the team since he requested additional money. If we stick with Red how do we get additional NIL funding with inferior coaching and a staff that cannot put together a quality roster? Team Melo would only address two, maybe three years.

These are several large issues that all fall back on Red. None of this is directed at you.

 

[Scooch]

Those seasons were better than the last two. Dumb move by the university. These are things the SEC embraces….as they say “it just means more”

The SEC types know how to get away with cheating. Or at least working in the gray area. Weitsman is too arrogant to do that. All he had to do was tone it down. But he can’t deny his insatiable need to starf!ck.

 

[BomberOrange]

The SEC types know how to get away with cheating. Or at least working in the gray area. Weitsman is too arrogant to do that. All he had to do was tone it down. But he can’t deny his insatiable need to starf!ck.

There’s no cheating anymore. Second, cheating never stopped us obviously. It’s a free for all. We need to embrace it.

 

[Scooch]

There’s no cheating anymore. Second, cheating never stopped us obviously. It’s a free for all. We need to embrace it.

I’ll reiterate my point. Adam Weitsman could still be funding SU athletics today if he simply adjusted a few things he was doing. Nothing big. Just don’t take recruits on a private jet with rappers, and don’t push the boundaries of what’s acceptable with the NCAA (which provides a crazy wide berth at this point).

He chose not to do that. Literally said he would only do it “his way” or not all all.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I’ll reiterate my point. Adam Weitsman could still be funding SU athletics today if he simply adjusted a few things he was doing. Nothing big. Just don’t take recruits on a private jet with rappers, and don’t push the boundaries of what’s acceptable with the NCAA (which provides a crazy wide berth at this point).

He chose not to do that. Literally said he would only do it “his way” or not all all.

^ This ^

 

[BomberOrange]

I’ll reiterate my point. Adam Weitsman could still be funding SU athletics today if he simply adjusted a few things he was doing. Nothing big. Just don’t take recruits on a private jet with rappers, and don’t push the boundaries of what’s acceptable with the NCAA (which provides a crazy wide berth at this point).

He chose not to do that. Literally said he would only do it “his way” or not all all.

Who went on that jet? Choppa correct? Is he still playing? Yep. Any ncaa ramifications? Nope. Nothing to see here.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I don't believe Adam was banned at all. He was told that there was a right to donate to the collective and a wrong way. The school needed him to donate the right way. He wanted to donate his way since it was his money. There doesn't have to be a bad guy here. Two different agendas.

I take your word for it Dash, it's just I can see being cautious and wanting him to stay away after the penalities in 92 and the 2nd ones in 15 but the fallout happened in 23 when you need figure$ like him more than ever in today's landscape.

 

[bnoro]

Um.. alot of people knew who he was.. using SU? The celebrities came because of him, not because of the University.. simply put if su wants to compete with the big dogs chasing Weitsman away was a HORRIBLE move

If someone offered you a class for $20k where you could "meet celebrities" would you do it, or think, hmm, that's a weird thing to be trying to get people to buy? He's a snake oil salesman.

 

[DilemaCuse]

But

Baloney. He took over a dysfunctional mess and got 20 wins. Tell JB hi

But he got inherit JBs best recruiting class ever along w Benny and some portal guys JB couldn't land as recruits