Wildhack is on the Clock

[Irishsecra1]

Sienas schedule isn’t exactly like ours he wasn’t the answer either

Well let’s compare oranges to oranges.
SU has a much better roster talent wise than Siena.
Siena has players from junior college, Division 2 transfers, Pete Carey, one and 2 star recruits and apparently a better Hofstra transfer.
We had 20? Wins last year. Siena had 4.
SU and Siena both beat Cornell and Bucknell by almost the same margin this year.
Which team is exceeding expectations right now?
Could SU even beat Siena right now?
If that isn’t a definite yes, we have a serious problem

 

[Bulldog04]

Those who want Adam W back, he will be back one second after Kent S leaves. He also tried to name the dome and buy the naming rights and was told no (was not given a reason and also outbid JMA by a substantial amount) and also another reason for the fractured relationship

 

[phil77]

Those who want Adam W back, he will be back one second after Kent S leaves. He also tried to name the dome and buy the naming rights and was told no (was not given a reason and also outbid JMA by a substantial amount) and also another reason for the fractured relationship

The bad thing is I am not sure we want him back but need his money in this day and age. So Red or whoever the coach will be along with JW is going to have to figure out how to navigate him and get his money without him causing too many waves. I know people say we have other boosters with other money but from the looks of the SEC, we can't have enough money if we want to get back to where we were.

 

[jdubs30]

Well let’s compare oranges to oranges.
SU has a much better roster talent wise than Siena.
Siena has players from junior college, Division 2 transfers, Pete Carey, one and 2 star recruits and apparently a better Hofstra transfer.
We had 20? Wins last year. Siena had 4.
SU and Siena both beat Cornell and Bucknell by almost the same margin this year.
Which team is exceeding expectations right now?
Could SU even beat Siena right now?
If that isn’t a definite yes, we have a serious problem

GMac was clearly a big loss on the staff. I think he may have been a big part of those 20 wins we had last year. We look like a complete disaster this year. Maliq and Judah were big losses but I think Gerry was a major part in it.

I wonder how his Cuse staff would have looked? How would he built this roster? Would he be able to raise NIL better than Red?

I do agree with the original poster - GMac most likely was not the answer here. But now that in my head I’m certain he’s a better coach than Red, I’m curious how the last 2 years would have been with GMac. I don’t think he’s the recruiter Red is, but maybe the talent evaluation would have been better?

He’s not even on my list to replace Red in 2026 - we need to go outside the family

 

[Scooch]

Those who want Adam W back, he will be back one second after Kent S leaves. He also tried to name the dome and buy the naming rights and was told no (was not given a reason and also outbid JMA by a substantial amount) and also another reason for the fractured relationship

I’m assuming it was his company that would buy the naming rights. Which is a lot different financially than him spending some money on NIL and plane trips.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Please, tell me why the NCAA isn’t trying to resolve this whole paying players thing in a way that actually benefits both The Game itself and Education?

If there will be both independent ‘NIL‘ payments and schools paying payers…
• The amounts paid will increase
• Competition will be down to finances, which I can’t understand as being palatable to anyone except 1-2 year players, who will then have zero allegiance or lasting affiliations to schools
• Schools will recoup their payments in ways that pass that expense down to consumers/fans

So, sure, this all ‘democratizes’ wins in a way, because the ‘blue bloods’ and cheaters used to have advantages. But, how does this affect fans of the college game? Who wants to watch mercenaries play at a lower level than the NBA? These kids no longer represent the schools to me—there’s just too much separation between an 18-year old making $500k+a scholarship vs the actual student body. Shadur Sanders had a Bentley on campus. If that’s what college sports is going to be like, how does the ncaa retain fan bases?

Since it seems impossible to put toothpaste back in the tube, players will always be paid going forward. I think there needs to be a cap somehow. Per team. A program can decide how to spread it around, but it’s uglying the sport to have billionaires, corporations, larger enrollment pools, etc. determining wins and losses.

 

[Scooch]

Who went on that jet? Choppa correct? Is he still playing? Yep. Any ncaa ramifications? Nope. Nothing to see here.

And again, that’s not the point. The university asked him to do something pretty small and he refused. That’s his choice.

 

[Bulldog04]

I’m assuming it was his company that would buy the naming rights. Which is a lot different financially than him spending some money on NIL and plane trips.

Correct. It was going to be upstate shredding arena/dome

 

[OttosShoes]

Those who want Adam W back, he will be back one second after Kent S leaves. He also tried to name the dome and buy the naming rights and was told no (was not given a reason and also outbid JMA by a substantial amount) and also another reason for the fractured relationship

I mean, that deal didn't happen in a vacuum. JMA is an aspirational brand for students and the university, and they hire SU grads. The career fair even happens in the JMA Dome. And the name Mezzalingua? Big donations, Dan is a trustee.
Alumni Dan and Kathy Mezzalingua Support University, Student Scholars through $5.25 Million Gift

Big picture, frankly, I don't know that there's a price that would've made sense for both upstate shredding and the university--outbidding doesn't automatically mean it was a personality squabble.

 

[Scooch]

Correct. It was going to be upstate shredding arena/dome

Gotcha.

I’d be pretty curious for someone to outline exactly how much Weitsman spent *on SU*.

Giving money to a celebs charity so they’d come sit courtside doesn’t count, IMHO.

I know some boosters here never liked the fact that he didn’t contribute to facilities.

I don’t think I know of how he spent his money other than some NIL deals. Which didn’t seem to accumulate to a ton given the guys net worth.

I’d love to be set straight.

 

[Bulldog04]

Gotcha.

I’d be pretty curious for someone to outline exactly how much Weitsman spent *on SU*.

Giving money to a celebs charity so they’d come sit courtside doesn’t count, IMHO.

I know some boosters here never liked the fact that he didn’t contribute to facilities.

I don’t think I know of how he spent his money other than some NIL deals. Which didn’t seem to accumulate to a ton given the guys net worth.

I’d love to be set straight.

I dunno where the money went to, but I know he spent $3m on his box. He converted 3 suites into one and it was unreal. But I have no clue where that money goes. But that’s what it cost to create that box

 

[orangefog]

I dunno where the money went to, but I know he spent $3m on his box. He converted 3 suites into one and it was unreal. But I have no clue where that money goes. But that’s what it cost to create that box

His money started before NIL. He devoted $1M each to football and basketball NIL when it became legal. Then he got shut down before that really got started. The dude paid for his boxes, parking and security in TOTAL. If anyone wants details, he will come back and clarify it all to anyone and everyone.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Correct. It was going to be upstate shredding arena/dome

That really rolls off the tongue. Glamorous!

 

[Scooch]

I dunno where the money went to, but I know he spent $3m on his box. He converted 3 suites into one and it was unreal. But I have no clue where that money goes. But that’s what it cost to create that box

I mean, that’s cool and all. He tricked out a box because he can and he wanted to entertain there. I don’t begrudge him that.

But I guess I don’t see that as being some big investment in the success of SU sports. Not when at the same time people here were sounding the alarm about our deteriorating facilities.

If he spent $3 million on a new Dome locker room I’d be more impressed.

 

[bnoro]

His money started before NIL. He devoted $1M to football and $1M toward basketball toward basketball NIL when it became legal. Then he got shut down before that really got started. The dude paid for his boxes, parking and security in TOTAL. If anyone wants details, he will come back and clarify it all to anyone and everyone.

Great, would love to get Adam's one-sided perspective again for his PR image.

 

[Scooch]

His money started before NIL. He devoted $1M to football and $1M toward basketball toward basketball NIL when it became legal. Then he got shut down before that really got started. The dude paid for his boxes, parking and security in TOTAL. If anyone wants details, he will come back and clarify it all to anyone and everyone.

So what did that pre-NIL money go to? Weight rooms? Player lounges?

 

[RF2044]

I mean, that’s cool and all. He tricked out a box because he can and he wanted to entertain there. I don’t begrudge him that.

But I guess I don’t see that as being some big investment in the success of SU sports. Not when at the same time people here were sounding the alarm about our deteriorating facilities.

If he spent $3 million on a new Dome locker room I’d be more impressed.

Ditto

BFD.

 

[orangefog]

So what did that pre-NIL money go to? Weight rooms? Player lounges?

it was payment for his box and other Dome related expenses. From there, who know where it went. That's a question for Kent. This is a new day, if we can get him back, there will be a couple million devoted to NIL.

 

[Scooch]

Great, would love to get Adam's one-sided perspective again for his PR image.

Back when I followed him on Insta he had a post about how no one in US history ever did the jail time that he did for his crime.

I did a quick Google and within 30 seconds I found a half dozen cases where someone did more jail time than him for his brand of check kiting.

I honestly don’t care about what he did. But I suspect he embellishes things

 

[Scooch]

it was payment for his box and other Dome related expenses. From there, who know where it went. That's a question for Kent. This is a new day, if we can get him back, there will be a couple million devoted to NIL.

OK thanks for sharing. I don’t see that Dome stuff as being anything meaningful to support SU.

 

[dwilmont44]

Correct. It was going to be upstate shredding arena/dome

The Shredder as a nickname would be pretty sweet ngl

 

[orangefog]

OK thanks for sharing. I don’t see that Dome stuff as being anything meaningful to support SU.

Who cares? He's a fan, not an alum. When NIL became a thing. He devoted $1M each to football and basketball. Then, crap hit the fan and he was forced out.

 

[bnoro]

Who cares? He's a fan, not an alum. When NIL became a thing. He devoted $1M each to football and basketball. Then, crap hit the fan and he was forced out.

Did he actually pay it, or did he just say it in an PR interview? I would love to know if that ever came to fruition.

 

[orangefog]

Did he actually pay it, or did he just say it in an PR interview? I would love to know if that ever came to fruition.

He was cut off before given the opportunity. But, if you think a billionaire wasn't good for it...I don't know what to tell you. He wanted to do it his way. That is the issue, he wasn't going with a collective, he wanted his contribution to be independent of that and that was the issue.

 

[Scooch]

Who cares? He's a fan, not an alum. When NIL became a thing. He devoted $1M each to football and basketball. Then, crap hit the fan and he was forced out.

What do you mean who cares? People here are bemoaning his absence.

He had years to fund things that could have meaningfully made a difference for SU athletics. He chose not to apparently. That’s fine, I’m not telling anyone how to spend their money.

But then he shouldn’t be portrayed as some incredible benefactor.

The NIL donation was nice. Good for him. There are folks doing that, and more, as we speak. Someone picked up the entirety of Eddie Lampkin’s NIL deal. Someone funded McCord’s deal.

All I’m saying is that Weitsman isn’t an irreplaceable unicorn. And the constant gnashing of teeth about his absence, when it was actually him taking his ball and going home, is exhausting.