WWE Thread

[OrangeDW]

Not to say Hogan & HBK weren't enormous D'bags because they were. But I think a lot of the Bret criticism of being a huge mark for himself is also fair. He's always putting himself over as an unselfish worker who worked his way up from nothing but when I actually watch his old stuff he's no jobber. Even as a midcard heel vs a top face like Savage he's losing by either DQ or a fluke roll-up and then killing him after the match he's not getting pinned by the elbow and then just letting his music play.

He was a tag team and midcard star, but it was a pretty big deal for a guy like him to work his way up to being a main eventer at that time. It was a definite changing of the guard type thing, and it was a good 8 years or so into his WWF run when he became a main eventer.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Nash was on his way out.
Also Hart totally did jobs. The guy worked his way up the ladder without stabbing anyone in the back.
He also treated his fellow guys with respect.
Nash/Hall/HBK were the problem people. The Cliq were jerks.
Taker respected Hart.

I feel like just about everyone respects Hart because he was such a good worker. When he got to the top though he did not job for lower people all that much. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great wrestler or that I don't love watching his matches. That is just how I see it. Nash/Hall/HBK were definitely the problem and made issues in the locker room. I also don't blame Hart for not doing the job for HBK when HBK told him he would never put him over.

 

[cuseinseattle]

He was a tag team and midcard star, but it was a pretty big deal for a guy like him to work his way up to being a main eventer at that time. It was a definite changing of the guard type thing, and it was a good 8 years or so into his WWF run when he became a main eventer.

Vince deserves credit for doing that.

 

[cuseinseattle]

I’m basically good with whatever Hitman says at this point. Some people seem to get so worked up about anything he says. Guy gives his opinion and he’s “miserable”, “bitter”, etc. I take it more as him being a straight shooter. He’s pretty biased against HHH which I find funny, but otherwise I don’t think he’s unfair in his comments.

And honestly he’s got a right to speak out against what happened to him towards the end of his career.

It's really funny because you would think he would hate HBK more than anybody and I really think he hates HHH and Hogan more. I do think Harts plays down how much he doesn't like HBK because it has been talked about so much.

 

[OrangeDW]

It's really funny because you would think he would hate HBK more than anybody and I really think he hates HHH and Hogan more. I do think Harts plays down how much he doesn't like HBK because it has been talked about so much.

Possibly.

Could be way off, but he knew Shawn going back to the 80’s and they were on good enough terms for years before they started having problems. HHH was some younger, newer guy who had only been in the company for a couple years coming in and supposedly coming up with the idea to stick it to Bret. Like “who is this scrubby little rookie to even open his mouth about me?”

 

[Alsacs]

Possibly.

Could be way off, but he knew Shawn going back to the 80’s and they were on good enough terms for years before they started having problems. HHH was some younger, newer guy who had only been in the company for a couple years coming in and supposedly coming up with the idea to stick it to Bret. Like “who is this scrubby little rookie to even open his mouth about me?”

Bret respected Michaels because like himself he worked thru the ranks.
Went from tag team specialist to midcard singles and up to main eventer.

Plus Bret put Shawn over at WM 12 which gave Shawn his first world title.
Bret did jobs in that time. He lost to freaking Hakushi, Issac Yankum, and Jean Pierie Lafette.

The guy was good to his fellow guys.
Bret didn’t like HHH because he was Shawn’s number 2 after Hall and Nash left and Shawn was in a power struggle with Bret. Which led to Bret and Vince relationship destroying.
Vince sided with Shawn and caused Bret to dislike HHH more.
HHH and Shawn got on the booking committee. They wanted Bret to ruin in the Rock in 1996 but Bret refused.

Bret wanted Austin to back him but Austin didn’t want to piss off Shawn so Bret and Shawn drama dominatesd until Bret signed with WCW because Vince backed out of Bret’s contract.
Bret wanted undertaker to take the belt from him and Vince came up with the Montreal screwjob. Shawn and HHH knew what was happening.

Bret doesn’t like HHH because he sees him as a snake who rose up.

 

[MSOrange]

Rey Mysterio signs a 2 year deal to return to WWE.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Rey Mysterio signs a 2 year deal to return to WWE.

Wow

 

[cuseinseattle]

Wow

He is on the front of the video game so this is not surprising.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Last week Raw was in Seattle and it was pretty cool. Appearances at the end by HBK, HHH, Taker and Kane. When Takers music hit and the place went dark that was amazing. I can't remember the last time I saw him at an event I was attending. The crowd went berserk.

 

[OrangeDW]

Last week Raw was in Seattle and it was pretty cool. Appearances at the end by HBK, HHH, Taker and Kane. When Takers music hit and the place went dark that was amazing. I can't remember the last time I saw him at an event I was attending. The crowd went berserk.

I started to watch the HHH-Taker match from whatever event they just had...Shawn Michaels trying to run to the ring. Jeez. He can’t even run! All those top rope elbow drops must’ve done a number on him.

 

[cuseinseattle]

I started to watch the HHH-Taker match from whatever event they just had...Shawn Michaels trying to run to the ring. Jeez. He can’t even run! All those top rope elbow drops must’ve done a number on him.

I also think it's easy to forgot how old these guys are. I mean HBK is 50 and Taker is 50.

 

[Symphony Steve]

I also think it's easy to forgot how old these guys are. I mean HBK is 50 and Taker is 50.

Yeah. Nostalgia pops don't last long if you can't go. Apparently that Saudi prince wants them, and he's paying WWE a, pardon the expression, king's ransom, so they're dusting off the cobwebs.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Last week Raw was in Seattle and it was pretty cool. Appearances at the end by HBK, HHH, Taker and Kane. When Takers music hit and the place went dark that was amazing. I can't remember the last time I saw him at an event I was attending. The crowd went berserk.

Last week the show ended with hhh, taker, hbk, and Kane in the ring. Literally something that would happen in 1998.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Cumulative age for that HHH/Michaels/Kane/Taker tag bout? 206 years.

 

[OrangeDW]

Cumulative age for that HHH/Michaels/Kane/Taker tag bout? 206 years.

Those guys are too old and most of the new guys that people say are good are boring.

I can only watch so many kicks. Way too much kicking. Doesn’t anybody do a body slam, atomic drop or supplex(not the Lesnar one) anymore? A pile driver?

 

[Symphony Steve]

Those guys are too old and most of the new guys that people say are good are boring.

I can only watch so many kicks. Way too much kicking. Doesn’t anybody do a body slam, atomic drop or supplex(not the Lesnar one) anymore? A pile driver?

The problem is that all of them have to do the WWE style. I just read where Shinsuke Nakamura, who may have been the most charismatic wrestler in the world when he was in New Japan, says that he thinks he's finally mastered the WWE style. After three years. At the expense of what made him so charismatic in the first place.

In New Japan, the wrestlers lay out the matches, not the agents. It shows.

 

[OrangeDW]

The problem is that all of them have to do the WWE style. I just read where Shinsuke Nakamura, who may have been the most charismatic wrestler in the world when he was in New Japan, says that he thinks he's finally mastered the WWE style. After three years. At the expense of what made him so charismatic in the first place.

In New Japan, the wrestlers lay out the matches, not the agents. It shows.

I’d believe it. I watched some of New Japan because of Jericho, and enjoyed the matches quite a bit more.

WWE matches just get boring to me, a lot of the time.

 

[Symphony Steve]

I’d believe it. I watched some of New Japan because of Jericho, and enjoyed the matches quite a bit more.

WWE matches just get boring to me, a lot of the time.

The other thing is that the booking in New Japan makes sense in terms of build, whereas every other week WWE is doing a u-turn on their storylines. If the storylines made sense, the wrestling wouldn't seem so stale, IMHO.

 

[OrangeDW]

I will say that Bryan vs. Styles interests me. That’s a match that I’ll be sure to watch and I’m sure I won’t get bored with.

 

[OrangeDW]

Watching WWE network PPV’s, before my subscription expires again, that I missed when I wasn’t watching(Backlash 2018), and the ring announcer screaming “Alexa Bliss” activated my Amazon Alexa speaker in the other room...which is now for some reason playing Sexual Healing by Marvin Gaye and will not pick up on me yelling “Alexa!” from the other room as I try to shut it off without getting up. 2018, ladies and gentlemen.

Also, Alexa Bliss is flat out hilarious. Funniest wrestler on the roster with Jericho gone.

 

[Knicks411]

So like, maybe they shouldn't do the Saudi Arabia show?

 

[Symphony Steve]

So like, maybe they shouldn't do the Saudi Arabia show?

Well, they really shouldn't. After all, the crown prince who is paying them boatloads of money is the same crown prince accused of arranging for the kidnapping of the journalist.

OTOH, you've got Trump who rarely says a discouraging word about Saudi Arabia, and, of course, Linda McMahon, who heads up the Small Business Administration.

It ultimately comes down to two things, IMHO. (1) Does the outcry from Congress get so great that Trump feels forced to impose sanctions; and (2) Do WWE advertisers threaten to pull out?

What won't motivate WWE's decision?: Whether it's the right thing to do. We're talking a $50 mill deal here.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Those guys are too old and most of the new guys that people say are good are boring.

I can only watch so many kicks. Way too much kicking. Doesn’t anybody do a body slam, atomic drop or supplex(not the Lesnar one) anymore? A pile driver?

Pile driver is banned. Dangerous.

 

[Alsacs]

Divine intervention Doesn’t want HBK’s comeback to be in Saudi Arabia.