Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by MSOrange, Dec 30, 2016.
What do you mean by "black". You used it twice and I have no idea what you mean.
the players # in the category will be in black if he lead the league.
I wish people would stop pretending to know when a player began cheating.
they all did.
Bagwell was a twig in the Red Sox organization. They traded him because he didn't have power.
He went to Houston for Larry Anderson and got huge.
I think he was a steroid guy.
Bonds and Clemens we know when they started. Clemens was in 1997 after Dan Duqette said he was in the twilight of his career and he went to Toronto. Brian McNamee
Bonds started in 1999 after watching McGuire and Sosa. Balco testimony shows this.
Both of these guys were HOFers without the steroids. They just put numbers that made them statistically the greatest HR hitter and RHP of alltime.
Bagwell IMO doesn't hit 500 HR without steroids. I think he shouldn't make it.
Yup, Bags could never have the body he had or career without steroids, just no way he could do that without them
Of course all of these guys did PEDs, but when they began using them is just speculation.
Bagwell as rookie in 1991
Bagwell in 1999
I think the roids made a good career a freaking HOF career.
I like the Baseball HOF being the smallest and only the elite of the elite. I don't want very good in.
Tim Raines is the 2nd best leadoff guy of alltime. Just because he isn't Rickey Henderson good he has been kept out.
Good find, we don't know for a fact he did them, but those pictures say 1,000 words.
Yea, you know, nobody has ever worked out and gained muscle without the help of steroids.
Cmon man we can agree to disagree.
I don't think the guy is a HOF. You do which is fine.
I think steroids should keep guys out who wouldn't have gotten in without them.
It atleast makes more sense than the idiot media people not voting for Curt Schilling because of meme he liked which was a joke.
Your argument is because he is muscular, and have no shred of evidence besides a picture
There were 2 teams that were well above the pack that year and seemingly on a collision course. The Expos and Yankees. As a lifelong Yankee fan who hadn't seen a postseason yet (ok, 1981 I guess as an 8 year old during another strike year), 1994 killed me. Just as Edgar did in 1995. But 1996 to 2000 made up for it.
As to steroids on the late 90s Yankees team, the 1998 team was really smart about it. Don't have anyone hit more than 28 HRs.
If those teams were taking anything, it was a completely different product than Bonds, McGwire, Sosa used.
Schilling has a long history and storied history as an asshat, and it didn't begin or end with that meme. He is not in the HoF yet because his body of work as a baseball player makes his inclusion debatable. He may or may not get in, but ultimately if it doesn't happen for him, it will because his numbers were deemed not good enough.
I think the guy used I don't have a vote though.
You can have the fair belief innocent until proven guilty.
I think Todd Helton, Jim Thome,Frank Thomas are the 1b I would put in from that time.
If you wanted to put steroid guys as well Mark McGuire, Rafael Palmerio would be ahead.
I consider Fred McGriff ahead of Bagwell.
Jason Giambi will be interesting if roid guys are considered.
For the record I omitted the obvious Albert Pujols.
Go read Dan shaughnessy and Jon Heyman.
They changed their votes strictly because of politics. Schilling had 52% and was on his way in after the backload of the ballot was off which was this year but he is losing votes because voters hate his politics.
Curt Schilling's Tweets Are Costing Him Hall of Fame Votes
I think he will eventually get in, regardless. He had many years in which he missed a lot of starts, so he didn't compile the regular season totals of many HoF starters, but his stellar postseason numbers will push him over the top for enough voters, IMO.
I would hope it's only a handful of guys who think his numbers warrant inclusion but refuse to vote for him because of his hideous political beliefs.
I think eventually he gets in but Schilling has lost already 18 votes via the Twitter guy tracking all ballots.
Bagwell is getting in this year. He is over 90% on all
Public ballots thus far which are 40% total.
Vlad is at 75%.
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