Pasqualoni interviews with the New York Giants/Hired by BC

[tep624]

IMO Gordie Lockbaum should never have been eligible for the Heisman to begin with and the inclusion of a player that plays at the 1AA level and for a team that only played one 1A team that year (Army) is a complete joke. It's completely unfair.

 

[rrlbees]

So if PP had won or lost by a slight margin the GT Game he would have stayed?

I personally believe so since the final decision was made as a spur of the moment decision based upon how we were getting throttled on the field. I do not know if the result had been different whether the same decision would have been made later. But TGD was only the messenger.

 

[Finwad32]

IMO Gordie Lockbaum should never have been eligible for the Heisman to begin with and the inclusion of a player that plays at the 1AA level and for a team that only played one 1A team that year (Army) is a complete joke. It's completely unfair.

I seem to remember a D3 or D2 RB who got consideration for the Heisman around Ron Dayne's days as well.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I seem to remember a D3 or D2 RB who got consideration for the Heisman around Ron Dayne's days as well.

dont know, but i remember Joe Dudek, from some other piss-ant new england college...on the cover of SI got some votes a year or so before gordie did.

it kind of set the stage.

steve mcnair, i believe...got a lot of support as well.

 

[orange79]

dont know, but i remember Joe Dudek, from some other piss-ant new england college...on the cover of SI got some votes a year or so before gordie did.

it kind of set the stage.

steve mcnair, i believe...got a lot of support as well.

Yup - Plymouth State

 

[Finwad32]

dont know, but i remember Joe Dudek, from some other piss-ant new england college...on the cover of SI got some votes a year or so before gordie did.

it kind of set the stage.

steve mcnair, i believe...got a lot of support as well.

I remember the Air-McNair campaign gaining some steam. Loved watching him back then. The mobile quarterback was awesome, until Mike Vick spoiled us all, then wrecked it.

 

[tep624]

I seem to remember a D3 or D2 RB who got consideration for the Heisman around Ron Dayne's days as well.

Was that Keith Elias?

EDIT: Elias graduated in '94 so it wouldn't have been him.

 

[MSOrange]

And that was an era when not every team went to bowl for breaking even!

No kidding on this. In today's world, we would have easily made bowls in 1993 at 6-4-1 and 1994 at 7-4 and even 2000 at 6-5

 

[tep624]

dont know, but i remember Joe Dudek, from some other piss-ant new england college...on the cover of SI got some votes a year or so before gordie did.

it kind of set the stage.

steve mcnair, i believe...got a lot of support as well.

It's a joke simply because it's far easier to put up Nintendo stats in 1AA, D2 or D3. The lower levels should have their own player of the year award and leave it at that. That way a media darling who shouldn't even be in the conversation to begin with doesn't turn the voting upside down.

That being said, I'm not sure McPherson wins it even with Lockbaum DQ'ed. Would have been extremely close though either way.

 

[CousCuse]

This is the same guy who will fight to the death anyone who points out Quitter Marrone's limitations. Yet apparently Pasqualoni is no good. Strange.

Paul took over a team a few years removed from going undefeated and playing for a national championship and was winning recruiting battles against Tom Osborn and getting many other top recruits, playing in a newer Dome , the Baylor of that time. Doug got handed a complete dumpster fire . Paul's program grew weaker over his term , Doug's grew stronger. Paul is still one of the better coaches in SU football history.

 

[cuseguy]

Paul took over a team a few years removed from going undefeated and playing for a national championship and was winning recruiting battles against Tom Osborn and getting many other top recruits, playing in a newer Dome , the Baylor of that time. Doug got handed a complete dumpster fire . Paul's program grew weaker over his term , Doug's grew stronger. Paul is still one of the better coaches in SU football history.

PP took over a team that was 7-4-2.

Many years into PP's run, his team went to the Orange Bowl.

 

[OrangePA]

So if PP had won or lost by a slight margin the GT Game he would have stayed?

I think so.

The decision was made in the heat of the moment at halftime of the Champs Bowl.

 

[OrangeDW]

PP took over a team that was 7-4-2.

Many years into PP's run, his team went to the Orange Bowl.

That 7-4-2 team was young and loaded with talent that was recruited after an 11-0-1 and/or a 10-2 season though. Things were set up very nicely for him when he took over. He certainly did a good job for awhile.

 

[Scooch]

I personally believe so since the final decision was made as a spur of the moment decision based upon how we were getting throttled on the field. I do not know if the result had been different whether the same decision would have been made later. But TGD was only the messenger.

Say what you will about Coach P, but the decision making process to remove him at the time and in the manner it occurred was so unfathomably stupid it boggles the mind. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves. What a cluster.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Say what you will about Coach P, but the decision making process to remove him at the time and in the manner it occurred was so unfathomably stupid it boggles the mind. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves. What a cluster.

and thats the end game right there.

they clusterflucked it.

if P came back and went under .500 and got canned...well, i think we would be having different discussions.

but instead we get a crazy-ass new Chancellor, with JB Smoove as her new AD...firing one of the most successful coaches in Syracuse history...after a year he wins another BigEast title and makes a Bowl.

fantheflucktastic.

and we're off......

 

[kirbivore]

I personally believe so since the final decision was made as a spur of the moment decision based upon how we were getting throttled on the field. I do not know if the result had been different whether the same decision would have been made later. But TGD was only the messenger.

Even with Calvin Johnson that was a 6-5 team that was beating the snot out of SU. That had to play a part in the trustees anger.

 

[kirbivore]

Well thanks for clearing that up. If TGD was only the messenger, then I owe him an apology. The point still remains, P was done wrong, and deserved better. His product on the field was more than adequate versus the expectations SU admins should have held for the position of their football team. It's easy for those stuffed shirts to hide behind their office and not be accountable for the damage they did to the program, but I don't know how anyone can argue that P is accountable for the epic fall to irrelevance that followed.

My only contention with this is that P was too much of a good soldier. Maybe he did go to Jake and/or Buzz and tell them how the lack of investment in the program was hurting. At some point if your job is on the line you've got to go public about the lack of support.

 

[kirbivore]

Paul took over a team a few years removed from going undefeated and playing for a national championship and was winning recruiting battles against Tom Osborn and getting many other top recruits, playing in a newer Dome , the Baylor of that time. Doug got handed a complete dumpster fire . Paul's program grew weaker over his term , Doug's grew stronger. Paul is still one of the better coaches in SU football history.

That 1987 team never had a chance for the national title. Top 2 ranked and undefeated Miami and Oklahoma were playing in the Orange Bowl. If SU wins the Sugar Bowl they finish behind a unanimous #1 Miami.

 

[tipphill]

My only contention with this is that P was too much of a good soldier. Maybe he did go to Jake and/or Buzz and tell them how the lack of investment in the program was hurting. At some point if your job is on the line you've got to go public about the lack of support.

they fired the wrong guy---jake and buzz were the culprits---if they could not see what was happening then they needed to be fired---buzz was gerg of chancellors, followed by the socialist cantor. jake was nero--he fiddled while rome burned

 

[CousCuse]

That 1987 team never had a chance for the national title. Top 2 ranked and undefeated Miami and Oklahoma were playing in the Orange Bowl. If SU wins the Sugar Bowl they finish behind a unanimous #1 Miami.

Not true . We would have been co-champs like GTECH and Colorado were a couple of years before. It would have ended up split.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I think so.

The decision was made in the heat of the moment at halftime of the Champs Bowl.

A bowl game half time when ZERO offensive adjustments were made, despite the score.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not true . We would have been co-champs like GTECH and Colorado were a couple of years before. It would have ended up split.

Going into the bowls that year...
1. Miami (11-0)
2. Oklahoma (11-0)
3. Florida State (10-1)
4. Syracuse (11-0)

Miami beat Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl.
FSU beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.

If we had beaten Auburn, we would NOT have jumped over FSU in the rankings.

 

[CousCuse]

Going into the bowls that year...
1. Miami (11-0)
2. Oklahoma (11-0)
3. Florida State (10-1)
4. Syracuse (11-0)

Miami beat Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl.
FSU beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.

If we had beaten Auburn, we would NOT have jumped over FSU in the rankings.

A win against the SEC champion ( Auburn ) in the Sugar and a 12-0 record would definitely have left an argument . At that time , before any kind of playoff , it was hard to leave an undefeated team out of co-championships. But I like the discussion because I don't think a lot of younger fans realize where the program was not too long ago.

 

[KaiserUEO]

A win against the SEC champion ( Auburn ) in the Sugar and a 12-0 record would definitely have left an argument . At that time , before any kind of playoff , it was hard to leave an undefeated team out of co-championships. But I like the discussion because I don't think a lot of younger fans realize where the program was not too long ago.

For #2...maybe.

But let's not reinvent the past and lie to the younger fans about our extremely impressive past.

Of which P earned himself a spot not only the Syracuse sports HOF, but the College one as well.

 

[Scooch]

A win against the SEC champion ( Auburn ) in the Sugar and a 12-0 record would definitely have left an argument . At that time , before any kind of playoff , it was hard to leave an undefeated team out of co-championships. But I like the discussion because I don't think a lot of younger fans realize where the program was not too long ago.

Sadly it was long ago, though. Almost 30 years.

I think of it this way... In 1987 I was 14. Did 1958 seem like "long ago"? Hell yes it did. That's exactly the same distance we're talking about now.