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0-4 against P5 opponents

Next year we have 10 games vs the P5. A mediocre HC will have a hard time going 6-6 against that schedule. Dino would have no shot what so ever.
 
SUDadx2 said:
Keep him. I like this team. They’re playing with heart. The team is headed in the right direction. I think we are headed in a good direction. Lots of room for improvement. Keep grinding.
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Sooooo frustrating. The Tucker disappearing act was ..... 37 pass attempts... not even going to comment.

As MAD as I am? We could be 6-1, or 2- 5. Flip the coin. Through 7 games, is this the most competitive team since 2018? (It is)

We have 1 year left with Tucker, barring transfer. Same with G. Williams and Mikel? I'm not blowing up Whites 335. I'm not blowing up the improved oline Schmidt brought us. I dont want to guess if Tucker will put up the same #'s in a different system. I want "this much" more. Just 2% more.

I also want some decisions that I DON'T accidentally blurt out things that I'd be ashamed of myself to say in front of my parents.. My wife IS a SAILOR. And trust me, I'm getting mad enough that she'd even blush. Its because I see HOPE for the 1st time since 2018. Its not really "hope". Thats what you are left with when all else is lost.. I see a completely competitive team. Thats why I'm so damn mad.

That tiny margin could win us 8 or 9 .
Every last one of us will be happy with 2% more. I want 2% more.
 
Sad thing is Tucker is to Morris as Dino is to Maloney. Tucker is a great talent but won't likely see a Bowl in his 3 years here. Morris played on mainly losing teams. Maloney showed some potential but could never put it together.

Oddly our other great Dome era RB had 0.0 winning seasons in his 3 years as a starter.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
Sad thing is Tucker is to Morris as Dino is to Maloney. Tucker is a great talent but won't likely see a Bowl in his 3 years here. Morris played on mainly losing teams. Maloney showed some potential but could never put it together.

Oddly our other great Dome era RB had 0.0 winning seasons in his 3 years as a starter.
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I just thought about Little Joe the other day. I was not following SU football when Joe played at SU( didn’t start following until I picked SU as my college choice in 1985) but my dad always talked about how great Joe was and how it was such a shame he played on losing teams. We are in a tough spot. This team is built to be good again next year but will Dino screw that up again? Tougher schedule next year too
 
Sooo many questions from the game, why throw it 37 times, why only rush shrader 7 times?!?! why not give tucker the ball 40 times, SG & DB make zero adjustments at halftime which accounted for the whopping 22 yard 3Q performance. Why call a TO to give clemson 43 seconds in the event we make the kick, if he says he thought it was a 1st down then he would know the clock stops for a 1st down.

I'll have to rewatch the game but to me live it seemed like he was confused right after calling the TO and almost ticked at himself. After 6 years I think it is safe to say he is inept in making decisions and the worst thing is he twists himself into a pretzel trying to defend all the wrong moves.
 
There have been too many posts speculating that Tucker may transfer.

I can’t tell if it’s a legit concern or some posters are simply using it as a worst case scenario disclaimer.

It’s not a good look for all involved.
 
He’s coming bak next year save the anger.

we will scratch another 2 wins and miss a bowl.

this is a very good football team. I credit Dino for the personnel. He just doesn’t know how to get them over the hump. Really bad feel for end game mechanics.

I can live w the FG. Belichick did this vs the Bucs as well. Prob right call. But leaving time on clock is outrageous. That’s a guy who practices his pithy press conference quotes vs figuring out the odds of end game

I’m not sure as a fan how to reconcile the bad luck here. I act love watching this team. This isn’t GERG nadir stuff.
 
elimunelson said:
He’s coming bak next year save the anger.

we will scratch another 2 wins and miss a bowl.

this is a very good football team. I credit Dino for the personnel. He just doesn’t know how to get them over the hump. Really bad feel for end game mechanics.

I can live w the FG. Belichick did this vs the Bucs as well. Prob right call. But leaving time on clock is outrageous. That’s a guy who practices his pithy press conference quotes vs figuring out the odds of end game

I’m not sure as a fan how to reconcile the bad luck here. I act love watching this team. This isn’t GERG nadir stuff.
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No other program has ever gone on this long with a coach who can't win and consistently makes poor decisions. Do you realize how absolutely stupid this makes Syracuse University look to the rest of the country?
 
Alsacs said:
I don’t have faith in the guy. He gets praise. His handling of women’s sports has been pathetic. I hate the ESPN corporate lingo.
You like the guy. I don’t.
The fact is the guy hasn’t done a good job and gets a pass because some people like him.

Also the NFL would fire a coach after 3 years.
Not 6 years.
Doug Pederson won a SB and was fired within 3 years.
Dino has had 6 years.
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The NFL is not close to relevant.
 
CousCuse said:
No other program has ever gone on this long with a coach who can't win and consistently makes poor decisions. Do you realize how absolutely stupid this makes Syracuse University look to the rest of the country?
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let’s see how it finishes up and then get a determination. To me the 4-5 win situation will be a tough one for Wildhack. I think absent a bowl we should consider a move but I don’t know what we can or can’t do. I always suspect school can buy coaches out bc it’s done over time but I don’t run the dept
 
elimunelson said:
let’s see how it finishes up and then get a determination. To me the 4-5 win situation will be a tough one for Wildhack. I think absent a bowl we should consider a move but I don’t know what we can or can’t do. I always suspect school can buy coaches out bc it’s done over time but I don’t run the dept
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The one thing Dino said was he wanted to be consistently good and not occasionally great. How can that not be the complete opposite when everything has to align perfectly to overcome the poor decision making.
 
ForCuseSake said:
There have been too many posts speculating that Tucker may transfer.

I can’t tell if it’s a legit concern or some posters are simply using it as a worst case scenario disclaimer.

It’s not a good look for all involved.
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Be amazing if he transfers after saving 44 for Floyd littles grandson who may or may not be good or coming to SU

If you are Tucker aren’t you thinking of leaving if u don’t have to sit a year? He’s not bowing in Syracuse most likely and schedule is harder next year. It’s painful to even think about
 
CousCuse said:
No other program has ever gone on this long with a coach who can't win and consistently makes poor decisions. Do you realize how absolutely stupid this makes Syracuse University look to the rest of the country?
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This is ludicrous.

We did this last week. When would you have fired him? Can’t win, except for the time we beat #2 Clemson and won ten games the next year?

He may not be the guy going forward, but there was never a time after a season where moving on made a lick of sense. And it’s still not definitive that he *can’t* win this year. Team is light years better than most thought.
 
FloridaFan said:
The average amount of time a Coach gets at schools is 3-4 years, enough to get a full roster of his guys in. We have been here 6 years now and are on the ropes of only being +.500 1 time and it was with half of his guys. At what point is enough enough?
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What happened in the first three determined the extension. You can argue that if you want, I guess.

When would have you let him go?
 
Alsacs said:
No it wouldn’t. Alabama has 2 openings for 2023.
LSU has openings.
I can find spots we could get paycheck games.

Teams don’t have room for home/homes.
Big dogs would pay us for paycheck games.
It’s just we wouldn’t do it because we aren’t a midmajor.
However we are going to keep a coach for money then we are a midmajor.

We could sell the Notre Dame game next year like Dr. Gross did.

If money is the reason we keep a coach then winning isn’t the top priority.
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I am not sure that you understand that you are advocating for financing the payout of a coach losing games, by taking on games that are guaranteed losses. Dino isn't winning enough --> fire him --> add two/three guaranteed losses to the schedule for the new coach --> pay Dino.

As others have noted, he was always coaching into next season. Rightly or wrongly, he got a pass for the COVID season. This season was an opportunity to show some improvement/avoid catastrophic failure. So far, so good. (Edit- I'll add I have never been enthralled with Dino. I did have hopes though. And I am not ok with his record to date, and that we paying big money for almost no product. I'm just saying what the University/ADs perspective is).
 
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TheCusian said:
What happened in the first three determined the extension. You can argue that if you want, I guess.

When would have you let him go?
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It’s a dumb argument. It won’t happen till end of this year dependent on what we are

if we are a 3 win team wildhack makes the move and finds a cheap alternative. Either a damaged guy looking to rehab image, a New England guy who is at a smaller school or a super young assistant
 
TheCusian said:
This is ludicrous.

We did this last week. When would you have fired him? Can’t win, except for the time we beat #2 Clemson and won ten games the next year?

He may not be the guy going forward, but there was never a time after a season where moving on made a lick of sense. And it’s still not definitive that he *can’t* win this year. Team is light years better than most thought.
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We're looking at 5 out of 6 losing seasons, 2018 was an outlier. The mean is established.
 
elimunelson said:
Be amazing if he transfers after saving 44 for Floyd littles grandson who may or may not be good or coming to SU

If you are Tucker aren’t you thinking of leaving if u don’t have to sit a year? He’s not bowing in Syracuse most likely and schedule is harder next year. It’s painful to even think about
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I’ve not followed the Tucker transfer speculation closely so I have difficulty seeing the logic in why he would leave.

Is the $7-$10M factory coach going to let him carry 20 times a game and throw him passes? Not likely since he also has to keep Bobby and Jimmy 5 star happy with touches too.

If he truly was prevented from getting 44 due to the possibility of Floyd’s grandson attending SU then I have less faith in the AD.
 
TheCusian said:
The NFL is not close to relevant.
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Thanks for not reading the context to that point.
Bayside said to me this isn’t the NFL.
So I made the point I did.
 
elimunelson said:
He’s coming bak next year save the anger.

we will scratch another 2 wins and miss a bowl.

this is a very good football team. I credit Dino for the personnel. He just doesn’t know how to get them over the hump. Really bad feel for end game mechanics.

I can live w the FG. Belichick did this vs the Bucs as well. Prob right call. But leaving time on clock is outrageous. That’s a guy who practices his pithy press conference quotes vs figuring out the odds of end game

I’m not sure as a fan how to reconcile the bad luck here. I act love watching this team. This isn’t GERG nadir stuff.
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NFL Ks are different than CFB Ks. If you have the ball inside the 25 yard line most college Ks are good. Outside that (42 yard FG) most college Ks are shaky). NFL you can add 10 yards to that shakiness rule.

So a 48 yard FG vs a 4th and 1 should be an easy decision. We should have ran up to the LOS, done a QB sneak, spiked the ball, and still had 35 secs with a TO and a 2nd and 10. That gives us plenty of time to at least improve field position and at best score a TD.
 
Shrmdougluvr said:
I am not sure that you understand that you are advocating for financing the payout of a coach losing games, by taking on games that are guaranteed losses. Dino isn't winning enough --> fire him --> add two/three guaranteed losses to the schedule for the new coach --> pay Dino.

As others have noted, he was always coaching into next season. Rightly or wrongly, he got a pass for the COVID season. This season was an opportunity to show some improvement/avoid catastrophic failure. So far, so good.
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If taking on 1 tough game pays for a new HC then you do it. The idea that money would keep a bad coach isn’t acceptable.

If adding one tough game for a new coach would give the money to pay for the change then you do it.

One paycheck game isn’t going to derail a new staff they are good.
As keeping this staff for an extra year is about cash.
 
If last season doesn’t count then I want Dino to return his paycheck for last season.

He didn’t coach for free last year. Last year counts.
If last season gave a Dino a pass then this season should count more.

The idea a non bowl season doesn’t cause a change shows the program isn’t serious about winning and just wants to cash checks.
 
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