0-4 against P5 opponents

[Shrmdougluvr]

If taking on 1 tough game pays for a new HC then you do it. The idea that money would keep a bad coach isn’t acceptable.

If adding one tough game for a new coach would give the money to pay for the change then you do it.

One paycheck game isn’t going to derail a new staff they are good.
As keeping this staff for an extra year is about cash.

First of all, the payout for Dino at this point, is probably in the $10m + range. From an article in 2018, Alabama was paying out about $1.91m to nonconference sacrificial lambs. In that article, it reported the largest payout for any such game was just over $2.1m paid out by Nebraska in 2013. Even with "inflation," Syracuse is maybe getting paid $2.5m per game to get smacked on national TV.

So you want to trade roughly 3-4 losses, just to finance buying out a losing coach? This is the proverbial "cutting off your nose in spite of your face."

FWIW, I would be fine with him being let go if we could afford it. He's maxed out at this point, and what he has isn't good enough. But I don't see the value in the University dropping $10m and scheduling a few guaranteed losses (also higher risk of injury, disruption of travel, etc.), just too potentially win a couple extra games sometime down the road.

 

[elimunelson]

If last season doesn’t count then I want Dino to return his paycheck for last season.

He didn’t coach for free last year. Last year counts.
If last season gave a Dino a pass then this season should count more.

The idea a non bowl season doesn’t cause a change shows the program isn’t serious about winning and just wants to cash checks.

Al Sack, I agree w your frustration. I say that w zero snark. This is super frustrating. I don’t bemoan either argument w this one bc I’m torn.

dino is paid a huge salary to win games. Not to dominate the moral victory poll.

 

[Alsacs]

First of all, the payout for Dino at this point, is probably in the $10m + range. From an article in 2018, Alabama was paying out about $1.91m to nonconference sacrificial lambs. In that article, it reported the largest payout for any such game was just over $2.1m paid out by Nebraska in 2013. Even with "inflation," Syracuse is maybe getting paid $2.5m per year to get smacked on national TV.

So you want to trade roughly 3-4 losses, just to finance buying out a losing coach? This is the proverbial "cutting off your nose in spite of your face."

FWIW, I would be fine with him being let go if we could afford it. He's maxed out at this point, and what he has isn't good enough. But I don't see the value in the University dropping $10m and scheduling a few guaranteed losses (also higher risk of injury, disruption of travel, etc.), just too potentially win a couple extra games sometime down the road.

The buyout can be 10 million.
He isn’t getting all 10 million when he is fired.
That isn’t how it works.
He gets paid the buyout over years.

My point is if the program can’t afford to pay 1.5-2 million dollars next year while we have a new a staff then do a paycheck game.
The paycheck game would pay for a new staff for next year.
When we play Tenneseee in Atlanta we are going to get 3.5 million to play that game.
There is the money for that season.

The idea a buyout would keep him is crap.
He isn’t getting all that money in one check when fired.
That isn’t how it works. It’s paid over years.
Keeping him an extra season just because we want to be cheap isn’t acceptable.

 

[Alsacs]

First of all, the payout for Dino at this point, is probably in the $10m + range. From an article in 2018, Alabama was paying out about $1.91m to nonconference sacrificial lambs. In that article, it reported the largest payout for any such game was just over $2.1m paid out by Nebraska in 2013. Even with "inflation," Syracuse is maybe getting paid $2.5m per game to get smacked on national TV.

So you want to trade roughly 3-4 losses, just to finance buying out a losing coach? This is the proverbial "cutting off your nose in spite of your face."

FWIW, I would be fine with him being let go if we could afford it. He's maxed out at this point, and what he has isn't good enough. But I don't see the value in the University dropping $10m and scheduling a few guaranteed losses (also higher risk of injury, disruption of travel, etc.), just too potentially win a couple extra games sometime down the road.

Oregon got 3 million from Ohio state this year.
Oregon State got 2 million from Penn STATE years ago.
Vandy got paid from Michigan.
Colorado got paid from Ohio State over a decade ago.

Their are plenty of example.
If money is why we keep a coach then don’t expect your fans to pay for tickets.

The idea this would need to be done for one than more year is a joke.
It’s a one time thing to pay for the buyout for next season.
We aren’t keeping Dino till the end of his contract your point is saying that if it’s 3-4 times.

 

[Chris02M]

as tough as these losses are to take but going from 1-10 one year to being able to close out games is difficult and yes ill admit some of dino's decisions are a problem though i think he was mostly fine in the last game. could have went for it instead of a kick but i can at least see the judgement as there likely wasnt enough time for us to matriculate the ball into the endzone with out abreviated pass game with no timeouts and more than 50 % chance we mess something up via turnover or penalty knocking us out of fg attempt range with no leg szymt

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

The buyout can be 10 million.
He isn’t getting all 10 million when he is fired.
That isn’t how it works.
He gets paid the buyout over years.

My point is if the program can’t afford to pay 1.5-2 million dollars next year while we have a new a staff then do a paycheck game.
The paycheck game would pay for a new staff for next year.
When we play Tenneseee in Atlanta we are going to get 3.5 million to play that game.
There is the money for that season.

The idea a buyout would keep him is crap.
He isn’t getting all that money in check.
That isn’t how it works. It’s paid over years.
Keeping him an extra season just because we want to be cheap isn’t acceptable.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I understand the concepts you are espousing. I'll simply add that the money from those "paycheck" games is likely already earmarked for something else.

I suggest you e-mail Wildhack and Frazier with your strategy. Maybe they will see some brilliance that I don't? Maybe they are already developing a plan to implement such a strategy as I type?

 

[Alsacs]

Al Sack, I agree w your frustration. I say that w zero snark. This is super frustrating. I don’t bemoan either argument w this one bc I’m torn.

dino is paid a huge salary to win games. Not to dominate the moral victory poll.

If we keep this HC without a bowl season this year then this AD is saying we aren’t serious about trying to be a good football team.
1 bowl in 6 seasons is not acceptable.
Especially when this HC’s own decisions are part of the reason for lack of a bowl this year.
The idea a buyout would keep him when their are ways to raise capital for next year and the fact we are getting 30+ million in TV money annually, we have a paycheck coming from the Chick-Fil-A game we have scheduled with Tennessee. I mean money isn’t a reason to keep this coach. It says sorry fans we aren’t serious keep giving us your money while we don’t care.

 

[orangedave]

No other program has ever gone on this long with a coach who can't win and consistently makes poor decisions. Do you realize how absolutely stupid this makes Syracuse University look to the rest of the country?

I doubt that the rest of the country even cares.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I understand the concepts you are espousing. I'll simply add that the money from those "paycheck" games is likely already earmarked for something else.

I suggest you e-mail Wildhack and Frazier with your strategy. Maybe they will see some brilliance that I don't? Maybe they are already developing a plan to implement such a strategy as I type?

I am not the AD I shouldn’t have to explain this to him.
He should know it. It’s not hard to figure out.

Which is why if the excuse coming out of the AD is we can’t afford to make a change then they are telling us IMO we are cheap and don’t care about winning keep giving us your money though.

 

[City of Cuse]

Al Sack

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

I am not the AD I shouldn’t have to explain this to him.
He should know it. It’s not hard to figure out.

Which is why if the excuse coming out of the AD is we can’t afford to make a change then they are telling us IMO we are cheap and don’t care about winning keep giving us your money though.

This is truly an amazing post.

 

[Cusefan78]

What bothers me the most about Dino is that he’s never wrong. “I would make that call again”. Also he came in here with all this orange is the new fast and it takes 1.5 seasons to implement. Well where are we now. We can’t even run a 2 minute offense. Where are all the social media posts we had 6 years ago pumping up fans. Now we only get some photoshop artwork a teenager can put together. Dino has failed on so many fronts it’s comical. The inability to bring in players to run his own offense is cause for termination. The inability to sustain the offense he was hired for is down right laughable. What he is saying is he sold us on a bill of goods that he couldn’t produce. The way he Acts on the sideline tells me everything. Look at the video right after last nights kick. He said wow, the guy is snake bit and can’t figure it out. He came in with the gambler attitude and that didn’t work. Now he is hedging every move and that’s not working. He can’t figure out what to do next so it’s time for a change and you pray the core players stay intact because there is talent here. We just need a leader to “bake them in the oven”

 

[Alsacs]

This is truly an amazing post.

Why? Because I have said money for next season shouldn’t be the reason to keep a HC who hasn’t produced to earn a 7th year?
I doubt Wildhack would even care about an email he ignores issues from other programs when their are obvious issues brought to him. See women’s softball and women’s basketball.
I doubt me explaining paycheck games to him in an email would matter. He ignores obvious issues in those programs brought to him.

If we keep this HC because of finances then I said he is saying results don’t matter but continue giving us money.
It’s not hard to feel that.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Why? Because I have said money for next season shouldn’t be the reason to keep a HC who hasn’t produced to earn a 7th year?
I doubt Wildhack would even care about an email he ignores issues from other programs when their are obvious issues brought to him. See women’s softball and women’s basketball.
I doubt me explaining paycheck games to him in an email would matter. He ignores obvious issues in those programs brought to him.

If we keep this HC because of finances then I said he is saying results don’t matter but continue giving us money.
It’s not hard to feel that.

Because you have trumpeted a concept that:

1. may not even be plausible;
2. may not have the efficacy you believe it does;
3. have had those things pointed out to you;
4. have summarily ignored them or even seemed to consider them; and
5. have stated if Wildhack and Frazier don't already understand, agree with, or have implemented such a concept, they are dolts.

In other words, you basically posted that everyone that does not agree with you (even two people who probably have no idea you even exist on this planet) are imbeciles. I mean, a message board can be used for a lot of reasons. You only seem interested in being the "smartest guy in the room" and letting everyone know why you are (even dumb Wildhack) and why they aren't. Despite the fact that I often find you to be informed and relatively insightful,I also personally find it to be quite grating and candidly, I worry about your mental health.

 

[Ozcuse]

The NFL is not close to relevant.

Can you point to a comparable college football comparison to Dino’s six years from this century?

 

[Alsacs]

Because you have trumpeted a concept that:

1. may not even be plausible;
2. may not have the efficacy you believe it does;
3. have had those things pointed out to you;
4. have summarily ignored them or even seemed to consider them; and
5. have stated if Wildhack and Frazier don't already understand, agree with, or have implemented such a concept, they are dolts.

In other words, you basically posted that everyone that does not agree with you (even two people who probably have no idea you even exist on this planet) are imbeciles. I mean, a message board can be used for a lot of reasons. You only seem interested in being the "smartest guy in the room" and letting everyone know why you are (even dumb Wildhack) and why they aren't. Despite the fact that I often find you to be informed and relatively insightful,I also personally find it to be quite grating and candidly, I worry about your mental health.

I didn’t say people couldn’t disagree with me.
I said IMO if the HC is retained for financial reasons the SU AD is saying results don’t matter and but continue giving us money.
That i said is my opinion.
I didn’t say it was a fact.
The fact people don’t like strong opinions doesn’t mean I feel I am the only person who is right.
When I say something I say how I feel. It doesn’t mean I don’t respect other opinions.
I get plenty wrong.
I don’t have faith in this AD.
The narrative that is being spun on here is the AD can’t afford to make a change.
That is what I am fighting back against.

It’s my opinion. I don’t have a problem with you or anyone who disagrees with me. Just bring an actually opinion which you did and don’t mind if I feel differently. I don’t throw stuff out with backing what I feel.

 

[Cusefan78]

Why? Because I have said money for next season shouldn’t be the reason to keep a HC who hasn’t produced to earn a 7th year?
I doubt Wildhack would even care about an email he ignores issues from other programs when their are obvious issues brought to him. See women’s softball and women’s basketball.
I doubt me explaining paycheck games to him in an email would matter. He ignores obvious issues in those programs brought to him.

If we keep this HC because of finances then I said he is saying results don’t matter but continue giving us money.
It’s not hard to feel that.

If the hurdle Is 10 million dollars then it’s laughable and Syracuse has bigger issues. That means the ad department is incompetent and we either need to disband the football team or worse the entire department. We have a billionaire super fan with a blue su plane who just bought a 13 million dollar house for his 16 year old daughter. The athletic department has never been able to raise money. Something needs to give here. 10 million dollars is nothing in regards to how much money they lose by having a losing team on the field. To me this is another glaring reason the university doesn’t care about football and just wants to collect checks

 

[gmoney44]

My uneducated guess is Tony White off the turnaround and Monroe based on his resume and previous interest down south.

If those two leave you ax Dino. No reason to keep him around if he loses his two best recruiters and coaches.

 

[TheCusian]

Can you point to a comparable college football comparison to Dino’s six years from this century?

You can prob find 3 dozen - promising start building to a good/very good season followed by a dip after a contract extension?

C’mon.

As always, please tell me where you’d have fired him. After the pandemic season? After the 5 win just signed an extension season?

 

[TheCusian]

My uneducated guess is Tony White off the turnaround and Monroe based on his resume and previous interest down south.

Guesses? Why would you put that into the ether

 

[Trueblue25]

Wish I never opened this thread.

If we lost Monroe and White, I’m not sure I renew my season tickets. I don’t even know if these are the guys being hinted towards but itd be devastating.

In a couple years White’s created a true identity for this defense and they’re a true unit. Mikel Jones is the best leader we’ve had on D in over a decade.

 

[OrangeDW]

Wish I never opened this thread.

If we lost Monroe and White, I’m not sure I renew my season tickets. I don’t even know if these are the guys being hinted towards but itd be devastating.

In a couple years White’s created a true identity for this defense and they’re a true unit. Mikel Jones is the best leader we’ve had on D in over a decade.

Agreed. Should’ve opened a Blue Light instead.

 

[Bayside44]

I’m up for Moorehead.. who wouldn’t be ?

Possibly Shrader:

However, on January 3, 2020, Moorhead was fired after finishing 6–7 following a 38–28 loss to Louisville in the Music City Bowl. Besides the Bulldogs' lackluster performance in that game, athletic director John Cohen and other school officials were angered when they learned quarterback Garrett Shrader had suffered an eye injury during a fight in practice. Shrader had missed the game with what Moorhead initially described as an "upper body injury."[14][9]

 

[Bayside44]

If the hurdle Is 10 million dollars then it’s laughable and Syracuse has bigger issues. That means the ad department is incompetent and we either need to disband the football team or worse the entire department. We have a billionaire super fan with a blue su plane who just bought a 13 million dollar house for his 16 year old daughter. The athletic department has never been able to raise money. Something needs to give here. 10 million dollars is nothing in regards to how much money they lose by having a losing team on the field. To me this is another glaring reason the university doesn’t care about football and just wants to collect checks

It took years to get comparable money for the Melo Center, which is an actual usable important building.

And FWIW the "buyout" is a creation of this board right up there with Chris Ashe.

 

[Trueblue25]

Agreed. Should’ve opened a Blue Light instead.

After yesterday, no mas.

noooo mas