This is getting to the curse of the billy goat stage. Btw what in gods name or they going to do with Lindor’s nine remaining years? When will they DFA him and uncle Steve will eat the cost? Mets lost that trade.
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Alvarez is struggling some but he is having an historic year. Hope he has a strong second half to really show what he is capable of.
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I'm hoping he'll be better.
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Great sequence: Ottavino comes in with one guy on and 2 outs, 6-4 lead, walks a guy on four straight, hits a guy to load the bases and the fans start booing. The Met's pitching coach and Alvarez come to the mound while they are tending to the hit batsman. Adam throws a strike, gets a foul ball and then whiffs the guy, walking off the mound in triumph.
And Pete just hit a two run no-doubter as I am writing this.
And Pete just hit a two run no-doubter as I am writing this.
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How Mets coaches have helped rookies Francisco Álvarez, Brett Baty adjust at the plate
The league started to pitch Álvarez and Baty differently, and it was up to the coaching staff to guide them to better outcomes.
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So, do we blame the players or the coaches for why everybody seems to be hitting .220?
This Week in Mets: The Mets' luck turns in a series win. Can they build on it?
Two days into July, the Mets have already done something they hadn’t done in all of June: They’ve won on consecutive days.
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I hope Pete's right. If the Mets get this season turned around and are hot in the second half, the events described in the post above this might be seen as the turning point.
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I remember at the beginning of the season Keith Hernandez noted that Pete had learned to lay off the high fastball with which the pitchers had been getting him out. it seemed to promise a great year. I haven't seen him go after the high fastball all that much and he has strong HR and RBI numbers. I can't understand why he's batting .215 at all. It makes no sense. He's not Dave Kingman. He's at least Harmon Killebrew.
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Interesting game.
Marte has been bad in clutch situations all season. Especially recently. But he got a big 3 run HR (only his 5th) to get the team going.
Nimmo hit another HR. Believe he has 9 in his last 21 games, as he has made adjustments to trade off more strike outs for more power.
Alvarez hit an enormous HR and continues to look like he might be ending an extended slump.
Scherzer was good except for an awful 4th inning. His ERA is now above 4.00 but the Mets have scored runs for him and his record is now 8-2.
Raley looked shaky but threw a scoreless inning.
Ottavino looked good and maybe he has turned a corner and is going to be effective again.
Smith had an easy assignment to pitch the ninth with a big lead and again was ineffective. And even Robertson struggled some.
Alonso continues to look overmatched and lost at the plate. No plate discipline. Routinely takes strikes on pitches down the middle and swings at pitches outside of the strike zone. If he can ever learn the strike zone and be selective, he could be so much more effective. He can do it for stretches. His fielding has been especially bad in recent weeks but props to him for making a great job today. Lindor was also very good playing defense today.
Senga and Carrasco in games 2 and 3 of the series. Senga is not the same pitcher on the road and Cookie has been a mess most starts. Probably going to need to score a bunch of runs to get more wins here.
Marte has been bad in clutch situations all season. Especially recently. But he got a big 3 run HR (only his 5th) to get the team going.
Nimmo hit another HR. Believe he has 9 in his last 21 games, as he has made adjustments to trade off more strike outs for more power.
Alvarez hit an enormous HR and continues to look like he might be ending an extended slump.
Scherzer was good except for an awful 4th inning. His ERA is now above 4.00 but the Mets have scored runs for him and his record is now 8-2.
Raley looked shaky but threw a scoreless inning.
Ottavino looked good and maybe he has turned a corner and is going to be effective again.
Smith had an easy assignment to pitch the ninth with a big lead and again was ineffective. And even Robertson struggled some.
Alonso continues to look overmatched and lost at the plate. No plate discipline. Routinely takes strikes on pitches down the middle and swings at pitches outside of the strike zone. If he can ever learn the strike zone and be selective, he could be so much more effective. He can do it for stretches. His fielding has been especially bad in recent weeks but props to him for making a great job today. Lindor was also very good playing defense today.
Senga and Carrasco in games 2 and 3 of the series. Senga is not the same pitcher on the road and Cookie has been a mess most starts. Probably going to need to score a bunch of runs to get more wins here.
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His K% and BB% are pretty close to his career averages. His BABIP is .192 this year, which suggests he has mostly been unlucky.
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Definitely. Excited to see some of the youngsters have been clutch. Alvarez is fun to watch.
Write him in at catcher for the next 10 years... The kid they drafted last year out of GaTech might be an even better hitter, though with less pop than Alvarez. Of course you can probably safely say that 95% of baseball players have less pop than Alvarez. He is fun and unreal to watch.
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The Met rotation is getting interesting.
Here are the starters the last 8 games:
Tuesday, June 27 Peterson
Wednesday June 28 Senga
Thursday, June 29 Scherzer
Friday June 30 Carrasco
Saturday, July 1 Verlander
Sunday, July 2 Peterson
Monday, July 3 off day
Tuesday, July 4 Scherzer
Wednesday, July 5 Senga
And here is who is slated to start the next 4 games…
Thursday, July 6 Carassco
Friday, July 7 Verlander
Saturday, July 8 Peterson
Sunday, July 9 TBD (Scherzer?)
It looks like Peterson and Scherare are pitching on 4 days rest. Carrasco and Verlander are pitching on 5 days rest. And Senga pitched on 6 days rest.
If things don’t change, Scherzer will pitch Sunday.
Then we have 3 days off for the all star break. So Senga will get 7 days rest for his next start, as will Carrasco and Verlander.
Quintana is scheduled to pitch a rehab game for Syracuse Friday night, then a simulated game, then rejoin the Met rotation. So his first start as a Met is tentatively scheduled for Monday July 17th, which is a travel day. So he probably gets his first start on Tuesday, ,July 18th. Hoping the Mets go to a siX man rotation then. I am sure Max will fight against it and maybe they will accommodate him and try to get the other starters extra rest, like they have been doing recently.
Peterson has been effective his last 2 starts but his velocity on his fastball topped off at 91 mph and I think he is either hurt or gassed. Hope if he stays in the rotation, he gets extra rest. Same applies to Carrasco.
Megill got bombed in the first inning again for Syracuse and doesn’t look likely to get called up any time soon.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Here are the starters the last 8 games:
Tuesday, June 27 Peterson
Wednesday June 28 Senga
Thursday, June 29 Scherzer
Friday June 30 Carrasco
Saturday, July 1 Verlander
Sunday, July 2 Peterson
Monday, July 3 off day
Tuesday, July 4 Scherzer
Wednesday, July 5 Senga
And here is who is slated to start the next 4 games…
Thursday, July 6 Carassco
Friday, July 7 Verlander
Saturday, July 8 Peterson
Sunday, July 9 TBD (Scherzer?)
It looks like Peterson and Scherare are pitching on 4 days rest. Carrasco and Verlander are pitching on 5 days rest. And Senga pitched on 6 days rest.
If things don’t change, Scherzer will pitch Sunday.
Then we have 3 days off for the all star break. So Senga will get 7 days rest for his next start, as will Carrasco and Verlander.
Quintana is scheduled to pitch a rehab game for Syracuse Friday night, then a simulated game, then rejoin the Met rotation. So his first start as a Met is tentatively scheduled for Monday July 17th, which is a travel day. So he probably gets his first start on Tuesday, ,July 18th. Hoping the Mets go to a siX man rotation then. I am sure Max will fight against it and maybe they will accommodate him and try to get the other starters extra rest, like they have been doing recently.
Peterson has been effective his last 2 starts but his velocity on his fastball topped off at 91 mph and I think he is either hurt or gassed. Hope if he stays in the rotation, he gets extra rest. Same applies to Carrasco.
Megill got bombed in the first inning again for Syracuse and doesn’t look likely to get called up any time soon.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Somehow, when I look at him I see Yogi Berra or Roy Campanella, although I don't think either of them hit it 467 feet.
Someone said they saw Brent Baty as a young George Brett. Noy really getting that vibe but I hope they are right. With Vientos and Maurico we need a place for them to play and a commitment to use them.
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Megill's really fallen apart. In his first two seasons in the bigs, he struck out 150 and walked 40 in 137 innings. This year he's stuck out 58 and walked 39 in 71.1 innings. I hope he can turn it around. If he doesn't, I'll go back to calling him "Tyler".
I'm not sure Vientos is anything more than a quad-a guy... but he deserves the shot to find out which he never got. Baty and Alvarez seem to have the talent to make adjustments at the major league level.
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Brody made an interesting comment evaluating Mark in February.
I would think if anything, Mark has further distanced himself this season.
No doubt in my mind Mark will be a formidable hitter in MLB. It would really serve him well to focus in on one position and become at least average defensively at it.
Former Mets GM makes a promising Mark Vientos comparison
Brodie Van Wagenen didn’t win fans but he definitely influenced the direction of the New York Mets. In two years as the general manager, BVW was bold with his m
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Brody made an interesting comment evaluating Mark in February.
I would think if anything, Mark has further distanced himself this season.
No doubt in my mind Mark will be a formidable hitter in MLB. It would really serve him well to focus in on one position and become at least average defensively at it.
Former Mets GM makes a promising Mark Vientos comparison
Brodie Van Wagenen didn’t win fans but he definitely influenced the direction of the New York Mets. In two years as the general manager, BVW was bold with his m
"Van Wagenen is getting a bit choosy with this comparison. As many pointed out to him, if we take Alonso’s 2018 season, Vientos is no match for the pure power. Only statistics which make Vientos look comparable were included."
"Roc Nation is where Van Wagenen works and they represent Vientos. It’s not unusual for agents to pump up their prospects early on. This only feels a little funny because we know that if Van Wagenen stuck around long enough in Queens he would have traded Vientos for a relief pitcher rental."
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Such a great few wins! Team seems to be clicking all of a sudden which I’m happy about. Then I look at the standings and see they are still 6.5 out of a wildcard spot and need to temper my expectations. They put themselves in such a hole that they would need to extend this win streak to ten just to get to .500. Hoping they can slowly chip away the gap between them and the other wildcard teams. Ugh. They sucked me back in.
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