2nd annual College Draft

[TexanMark]

Bees
1. (2)- Notre Dame Traditional Great Brand ...might be back in FB? Hoops hangs around Top 30-40.
2. (7)- Michigan Rising Back Up/ Can they get there? Hoops looks strong
3. (10)- LSU Cajun Chicks, crazy coach, night games, weak hoops good pick at #10
4. (15)- Oregon Nike $$$, exc pick, riing in hoops too. Kinda remote.
5. (18)- Auburn An abortion on the FB field...will get better once they can cheat again. Sucks at Hoops
6. (23)- Nebraska Faded Glory, dedicated fanbase horrible BB
7. (26)- Michigan State Love this pick at #26
8. (31)- Oklahoma State Another good value pick with Pickens $$$, hoops down lately
9. (34)- Washington Another excellent Pick...might be Bee's best value pick
10. (39)- Kansas State FB survives on JUCOs and a 75 year old coach...shaky future? Hoops down last year
11. (42)- Indiana FB meh to horrible, Hoops coming back alive
12.(47)- Mississippi State Meh...decent fanbase in FB, Hoops suck right now
13.(50) Vanderbilt Rising up...would have been a better pick in round 15 or 16.
14.(55) Colorado Dumpster Fire right now...might be exc value in the future
15.(58) Utah Meh...does nothing down in both sports
16.(63) Iowa State team most likely to be voted off the B12.
Commissioner: Jim Delany

 

[Alsacs]

I am being honest all 4 conferences are monsters, I doing the research and will come out with an in-depth breakdown as to how I am see them I am scoring based on my criteria I listed, but honestly they are so close each person could have a different pick.
I am going to say my best value picks for each of you are as follows.(Picks after the 8th round only)
Mark- 13th round Arizona WAS A STEAL. top 10 hoops, football is decent and will get better under Rich-Rod and ill get your conference network on the basic tier for cable providers in Arizona.

Bees- 9th round Washington- HUGE football stadium and they have won a college football NC in the 1990s and they are decent in basketball as well and will get your conference network on the basic tier for cable providers in Washington.

Kaiser- I like two picks equally 10th round Miami/12th round West Virginia- both of these programs have football programs that are known nationally. Miami doesn't have the fanbase, but has 5 star football potential unlike a lot of programs and non-WVU students in WV care about WVU so much they will do anything to keep the program relevant.

Arb- 12th round Georgia Tech- while UGA may have a lot of fans in Georgia, Tech matters brings good sports and gets in you Atlanta. While UGA may mean more in Georgia, Georgia Tech is located in Atlanta and I am surprised they lasted till the 12th round.

 

[rrlbees]

Brands matter...I have the tightest 4 pods. thanks

Then why money losers?

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[TexanMark]

Then why money losers?

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Who are the money losers? Money losers isn't always a good determinant: debt payments, poor TV contracts, coaching buyouts, bad phase in FB, etc...I looked at Geography, Flagships and Brand along with sports excellence or potential.

 

[rrlbees]

Third line for me...

Biggest complaint is who are you recruiting? No California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Ohio.

For television your media markets are non-existent. No East Coast interest outside of Notre Dame (if they will even sign their rights over) and even West Coast interest is limited if any.

Lakes Pod is your only hope in basketball.

I picked Mark simply because if I had four televisions on for basketball/football with random matchups it is his conference I would stay tuned on more often than not. Rivalries made sense, not much loose change (Vanderbilt, Colorado, Utah?). Basketball is a TKO to all others with Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina...even though they are drains in football they make up with basketball. Solid all around which is what the other tree conferences lack in looking at raw attendance numbers or flagships.

Don't need teams in those states to recruit them. My top teams recruit nationally including those states. All if our lower tier teams will be 2nd fiddle regardless of their state.

None of us have a real east coast presence. If you need a real east coast interest, how does the conferences do so well in their contracts now? The power I'd canvases and interest ia in the midwest and plains. Its why my teams average such a high attendance rate plus being profitable.

Football totally trumps anything basketball can do.

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[KaiserUEO]

i like the effort in labeling my teams mark, but enjoy your bronze.

my top 7, plus miami...could win a National Championship at any given moment.

i liked snows point too, bees is not in the 8 best states to recruit, so you are OUT of the question for all the kids who want to stay home. enjoy that uphill battle.

im in 7 of them.

game. set. match.

 

[rrlbees]

i like the effort in labeling my teams mark, but enjoy your bronze.

my top 7, plus miami...could win a National Championship at any given moment.

i liked snows point too, bees is not in the 8 best states to recruit, so you are OUT of the question for all the kids who want to stay home. enjoy that uphill battle.

im in 7 of them.

game. set. match.

Don't forget, you may be in 7 of those states, but my teams take the best players from those states.

 

[rrlbees]

Average home attendance for each based upon NCAA statistics.

Bee's - 68,400
Kaiser - 66,800
Mark - 61,100
Arby - 52,100

 

[rrlbees]

Who are the money losers? Money losers isn't always a good determinant: debt payments, poor TV contracts, coaching buyouts, bad phase in FB, etc...I looked at Geography, Flagships and Brand along with sports excellence or potential.

Profitable athletic departments.

Bee's - 16
Kaiser - 13
Mark - 11
Arby - 7

 

[Moontan]

i told you why i think minnesota $$ is on the rise.

plus, they have a 3rd $$$ making sport. they avg 10k for 22 home hockey games.

cold & ice?? sounds like football weather.

you got a lot of desolate destinations in there too.

They're also getting revenue from the Vikings for 2-3 years, plus some stadium upgrades (heated field), etc..

 

[TexanMark]

Average home attendance for each based upon NCAA statistics.

Bee's - 68,400
Kaiser - 66,800
Mark - 61,100
Arby - 52,100

Did you use 2012 numbers?

 

[rrlbees]

Top 20 most valuable football programs from Forbes based upon

The four components, in order of weight, consist of each team's 1. value to its university (football profit contributed to academic programming, including football scholarships), 2. value to its athletic department (football profit that supports other athletic initiatives), 3. value to its conference (distribution of bowl game revenue) and 4. value to the surrounding community (estimated spending by visitors on days of home games). Financial data is from the 2011-12 fiscal year.

Bee's - 8
Kaiser - 7
Mark - 3
Arby - 2 (and 1 of them is PSU who already lost 21% in value and will likely fall more).

 

[Alsacs]

Profitable athletic departments.

Bee's - 16
Kaiser - 13
Mark - 11
Arby - 7

I am using profitable as portion of my evaluating, but remember you have to factor in current conference alignment in those figures. Louisville has an athletic budget of 80 million, but has only been receiving 3-5 million a year from the Big East in TV money. I am going deep in analysis when I am evaluating. Schools like Purdue, Indiana make more money than Florida State, but I wouldn't say those schools are more profitable than Florida State. I am putting teams in a vacuum in this exercise.

 

[rrlbees]

Did you use 2012 numbers?

yep.

 

[rrlbees]

I am using profitable as portion of my evaluating, but remember you have to factor in current conference alignment in those figures. Louisville has an athletic budget of 80 million, but has only been receiving 3-5 million a year from the Big East in TV money. I am going deep in analysis when I am evaluating. Schools like Purdue, Indiana make more money than Florida State, but I wouldn't say those schools are more profitable than Florida State. I am putting teams in a vacuum in this exercise.

See my reply to that question about rank in conference. Also see football team value I just posted. It's based upon many factors.

 

[TexanMark]

yep.

Well my rounding must of sucked...or I had unofficial nums that were off a tad.

 

[Alsacs]

2012 attendance figures from here http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2013/2012 national college football attendance
red-Mark, green-Arb, plain black-Bees, bold black-Kaiser

Alabama
7
712,052
101,722

Arizona
8
383,451
47,931

Arizona St.
6
341,007
56,835

Arkansas
7
476,321
68,046

Auburn
7
578,521
82,646

Boise St.
6
212,425
35,404

BYU
6
366,965
61,161

California
7
391,130
55,876

Clemson
7
569,988
81,427

Colorado
6
272,235
45,373

Duke
7
197,190
28,170



Florida
7
613,182
87,597

Florida St.
7
529,208
75,601

Georgia
7
648,922
92,703

Georgia Tech
7
307,682
43,955

Illinois
7
318,950
45,564

Indiana
6
268,813
44,802

Iowa
7
493,315
70,474

Iowa St.
7
386,917
55,274

Kansas
6
247,971
41,329

Kansas St.
7
351,943
50,278

Kentucky
7
347,838
49,691

LSU
8
741,005
92,626

Louisville
7
349,938
49,991

Maryland
6
216,135
36,023

Miami (FL)
6
286,315
47,719

Michigan
6
673,511
112,252

Michigan St.
7
527,671
75,382

Minnesota
7
326,456
46,637

Mississippi St.
7
389,396
55,628

Missouri
7
472,333
67,476


Nebraska
7
598,617
85,517

UNLV
7
106,456
15,208

North Carolina
7
352,000
50,286

North Carolina St.
6
324,638
54,106

Notre Dame
6
84,770

Ohio St.
8
842,637
105,330

Oklahoma
6
511,460
85,243

Oklahoma St.
7
395,897
56,557

Ole Miss
7
399,462
57,066

Oregon
7
402,429
57,490



Oregon St.
7
303,971
43,424

Penn St.
7
677,108
96,730

Pittsburgh
6
248,964
41,494

Purdue
7
305,118
43,588

San Diego St.
8
247,029
30,879

South Carolina
7
560,008
80,001

Southern California
6
527,670
87,945

Stanford
7
303,402
43,343

Syracuse
5
189,763
37,953

Tennessee
7
629,752
89,965


Texas
6
605,304
100,884


Texas A&M
6
522,083
87,014

TCU
6
276,281
46,047

Texas Tech
6
343,251
57,209

UCLA
7
479,370
68,481

Utah
6
272,080
45,347

Vanderbilt
6
227,161
37,860

Virginia
7
326,548
46,650

Virginia Tech
6
393,792
65,632

Washington
7
437,715
62,531

Washington St.
6
172,746
28,791

West Virginia
7
395,726
56,532

Wisconsin
7
558,692
79,813

2012 average attendances
Kaiser-69,925
Bees- 65,270
Mark- 58, 510
Arb-52,248

Thus, in the attendance criteria Kaiser won that one.

 

[KaiserUEO]

If I had taken Ole Miss over duke with last pick, I would've crushed it. But, you know, added a HUGE $$$$maker for nov-march.

 

[arbitragegls]

Kaiser and Bees...do you ever take a rest...white flag...i give, i surrender, damn.

 

[JackBauer44]

As the winner of last years college draft, I hereby give Bees the title this year. Great draft sir.

 

[Alsacs]

As the winner of last years college draft, I hereby give Bees the title this year. Great draft sir.

Whoa, whoa last year's winner? According to who? I kid I honestly loved my draft last year and thought I followed my own criteria the best and gave myself the title.

 

[rrlbees]

Whoa, whoa last year's winner? According to who? I kid I honestly loved my draft last year and thought I followed my own criteria the best and gave myself the title.

If you recall, you said in our initial conversation this year that while you liked your conference last year, you thought I had the best football portfolio and that was your #1 criteria.

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[rrlbees]

Kaiser and Bees...do you ever take a rest...white flag...i give, i surrender, damn.

It's all good fun. 1/2 the job is the draft, the other 1/2 is trash talk.

Besides, Kaiser and I knew you were done when your very first post in the conversation you asked for a copy of the rulebook.

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[Alsacs]

If you recall, you said in our initial conversation this year that while you liked your conference last year, you thought I had the best football portfolio and that was your #1 criteria.

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You had the best football portfolio, but had geography problems. I had DOMINANT basketball and geography and really good Football to take the title. I thought you and I were the top 2 last year.

 

[rrlbees]

Hey Mark, you anywhere near those tornados?

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